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Vehicle information

Ext. color: Bright White Clearcoat
Int. color: Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 16-23
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 8-Speed Automatic
Engine: 5.7L V8 16V MPFI OHV
Stock #: 2231A
VIN: 1C6RR7MT4JS270226

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, Keyless Entry, Navigation System, Remote Start
Entertainment: Apple CarPlay®, Bluetooth®, HomeLink, Satellite Radio, USB Port
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Sunroof/Moonroof, Tow Hitch
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Rain Sensing Wipers, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats

Reviews

Lithia Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram FIAT of Roseburg review

Great value, good service

Great service and people, have purchased a number of vehicles from this company and have had good experiences, nada nada nada. Nada nada nada

2018 RAM 1500 Sport review

I bought my 2017 Ecodiesel in April of 2018 at a

I bought my 2017 Ecodiesel in April of 2018 at a significant discount from MSRP due to "Dieselgate" with VW and then modified software on these. They were held up for months so that the software could be corrected, so by the time they were available for purchase there was a massive overstock on them. With the complete re-design for the 2019 models, dealers were looking to get these moved out and offered big incentives to do so (up to $20,000 off). There have also been some recalls for a few things, but nothing that has seemed to go wrong on my vehicle, but I took it in to get everything addressed for the recalls. That being said, I haven't had any issues with the truck not working at any time and it is one of the most comfortable riding vehicles I've owned, especially on longer trips. The little diesel engine gets excellent milage on the freeway (about 28 mpg) and about 20 around town. Seats have coolers and heaters, the steering wheel also has a heater, auto start, good lumbar support, a nice sound system, "Millenium Falcon" style ice boxes under the rear passenger floor spots, and a lot of other features that even new trucks don't have. Plus I am not having to "rent" services that came in my truck like a lot of new vehicles force people into. It hauls what I need it to haul, tows what I need it to tow, and drives where I need it to go. Does what a truck should and with comfort to boot.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Onyx Black
Int. color: Jet Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 18-20
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: 5.3L V8 16V GDI OHV
Stock #: 2297A
VIN: 1GTUUBED0PZ266296

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, Keyless Entry, Keyless Start, Navigation System, Remote Start
Entertainment: Apple CarPlay®, Bluetooth®, Premium Sound System, Satellite Radio, USB Port, WiFi Hotspot
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Tow Hitch, Tow Hooks
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Lane Departure Warning, Stability Control

Reviews

Lithia Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram FIAT of Roseburg review

Great car buying experience

Easiest car buying experience ever. Normally would rather have a root canal, but everyone at this dealership was friendly, helpful and made the whole process easy.

2023 GMC Sierra 1500 SLE review

Awsome

Stong engine and smooth! Highly recommend for familys or someone who likes a smooth truck. Purchased new and have had zero issues since then. Love it!

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Delmonico Red Pearlcoat
Int. color: Light Frost Beige/Mountain Brown
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 15-21
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: HEMI 5.7L V-8 variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine w
Stock #: 85631
VIN: 1C6SRFJT4KN800470

Features

Convenience: Cooled Seats, Heated Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, Keyless Entry, Keyless Start, Navigation System, Remote Start
Entertainment: Android Auto®, Apple CarPlay®, Bluetooth®, CD Player, Premium Sound System, Satellite Radio, USB Port, WiFi Hotspot
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Tow Hitch, Tow Hooks
Safety: Automatic Emergency Braking, Backup Camera, Blind Spot Monitor, Brake Assist, LED Headlights, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats, Memory Seat

Reviews

Roseburg Honda review

They had great customer service and friendly staff.

They had great customer service and friendly staff. Rick especially thank you for your help it’s appreciated.

2019 RAM 1500 Laramie review

I'm original owner sence 2018 when I purchased tge 2019

I'm original owner sence 2018 when I purchased tge 2019 rebel, crew cab, 4wd 5.7 hemi. I now have 35k miles and have to say this truck has been the best truck I've ever owned. I've owned several in 45 years but this is my retirement best truck. The ride is phenomenal on road and off road. Plenty of HP, pulls well and most reliable. The stock tires duratrac by goodyear make a good ride but not as good in wet roads. Leather interior, heated auto seats, large GPS screen are a good touch by dodge. I've been tough on the factory coated bed liner and no ware showing. It's a tough fun to drive truck.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Brilliant Black Crystal Pearlcoat
Int. color: Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 15-21
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 8-Speed Automatic
Engine: 5.7L V8 16V MPFI OHV
Stock #: 2306A
VIN: 1C6RR7WT7JS113738

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, Keyless Entry, Navigation System, Remote Start
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, HomeLink, Premium Sound System, Satellite Radio, WiFi Hotspot
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Sunroof/Moonroof, Tow Hitch
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Rain Sensing Wipers, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats, Memory Seat

Reviews

Lithia Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram FIAT of Roseburg review

Pleasant buying experience.

It was a very casual experience with no pressure. I actually had a few things in common with John and the finance guy( sorry I can't remember his name). Overall a pleasant transaction.

2018 RAM 1500 Longhorn review

Beautiful But Rough Ride

I bought this truck with 100000 miles already. Beautiful truck! I only have a couple of complaints. The ride, one can feel every pebble in the road! Shocks and better tires may help. 2x4. Need to add more things like memory seats and adjustable pedals, to the Lonestar truck and it would be perfect.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Silver Sky Metallic
Int. color: Graphite
Drivetrain: Rear-wheel Drive
MPG: 16-20
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 5-Speed Automatic
Engine: 4.0L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
Stock #: 2187V
VIN: 5TFRU5F19EX031612

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, CD Player
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control

Reviews

Lithia Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram FIAT of Roseburg review

Great customer service

Hannah was helpful in making sure we were well taken care of and followed up after the service to make sure everything was running properly.

2014 Toyota Tundra SR review

You can't afford not to buy a Toyota!

I have owned several different half ton trucks in my life. Chevrolet, Ford, Dodge, and Nissan and to me there is no comparison to the dependable Toyota Tundra. Yes they cost a little more but once you purchase one you will quickly understand why. If your looking for a dependable half ton trucks then I highly recommend you a buy either certified used or new Toyota Tundra. If you've have owned the other brands you will quickly understand why you can't afford not to buy a Toyota!

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Obsidian Blue Pearl
Int. color: Gray
Drivetrain: All-wheel Drive
MPG: 18-25
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 6-Speed Automatic
Engine: 3.5L V6 24V GDI SOHC
Stock #: 2225A
VIN: 5FPYK3F51KB039595

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Keyless Entry, Keyless Start, Remote Start
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, HomeLink, USB Port
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Moonroof, Tow Hitch
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats

Reviews

Lithia Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram FIAT of Roseburg review

We had a problem with our 2018 Jeep Cherokee and spoke to

We had a problem with our 2018 Jeep Cherokee and spoke to Hannah in the service department. She told us to bring the car in for a look since we were travelling from Canada. To our surprise we were met by Matt in the parking lot with code reader in hand. He took care of us immediately and we were on the road very quickly. This is how you look after people and their vehicles. Many thanks to Hannah and Matt. What a great service department. John and Kim from Chilliwack BC

2019 Honda Ridgeline RTL review

An Honest Review

I've had my '19 Ridgeline RTL-E for about 3 years now, she's my daily. Super comfortable ride, I'm 5'10 with long legs and I do wish that the driver seat would go back just a tad bit more. One thing that has spoiled me is the heated steering wheel, I love that feature. As far as the performance goes, it's pretty quick once you get going. I wish it was much more responsive rather than the slow take off it has now. The 6-speed transmission does worry me as I have heard some concerning things about it, and I love to keep my vehicles until they quit on me. Other than that, I do enjoy the rear power sliding window, and the speakers in the bed. Many of my truck buddies are impressed by this mid-size truck's handle and as am I.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Firecracker Red Clearcoat
Int. color: Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 16-23
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 8-Speed Automatic
Engine: 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
Stock #: 2234A
VIN: 1C6HJTAG4PL555112

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry, Keyless Start, Remote Start
Entertainment: Apple CarPlay®, Bluetooth®, HomeLink, Satellite Radio, USB Port, WiFi Hotspot
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Tow Hitch, Tow Hooks
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control

Reviews

2023 Jeep Gladiator Texas Trail review

MOST importantly it is a JEEP.

MOST importantly it is a JEEP. If you want a luxury vehicle, buy one, if you want a full-size truck, buy one, if you want a sports car, buy one, the Jeep Gladiator is none of these. It is designed to be a mid-sized pick-up yet still be a Jeep, it does this PERFECTLY. I have owned 9 Jeeps over the years, as early as 1978 up through 2006; the Jeeps today are full of more amenities and comfort than they ever have been in history. I have 2 Gladiators; a '23 Mojave, and a '23 Diesel Overland, both of them are INCREDIBLE vehicles on and off road, and MORE than fit the bill for a light duty pick-up, superseding most others on the market, and I am even comparing to any of the 5 Tacoma's I have owned. If you are in the market for a light duty pick-up, you can't beat it; whether it is a loaded up graded model, or even the base model, it is still a truck with 4WD, straight axles, and still available with a manual transmission. VERY happy with both of mine!

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Ice White
Int. color: Black
Drivetrain: All-wheel Drive
MPG: 21-27
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: Smartstream 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, CVVT variable
Stock #: 85576
VIN: 5NTJBDAE3NH037054

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Keyless Entry, Keyless Start, Navigation System, Remote Start
Entertainment: Android Auto®, Apple CarPlay®, Bluetooth®, USB Port, WiFi Hotspot
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Tow Hitch
Safety: Automatic Emergency Braking, Backup Camera, Blind Spot Monitor, Brake Assist, Lane Departure Warning, Rear Cross Traffic Alert, Stability Control

Reviews

Roseburg Honda review

My wife and I went to Rosburg Honda a few months ago to

My wife and I went to Rosburg Honda a few months ago to see what they had. We met Dan Smith (Sales Consultant) who was friendly, not to mention helpful. There was no pressure from Dan or any of the staff. We had a good time but were not quite ready to by a car. A few months later, after narrowing down what we were in the market for, my wife and I went back. This time we were greeted by Dustin Jones (Sales Consultant) who continued the enjoyable experience we had with Dan. My wife and I left with a splendid Honda Insight Touring at a honest price. I appreciate Dustin, Dan, and the staff that made our purchase a satisfying experience.

2022 Hyundai SANTA CRUZ SEL review

We have a 2022 Limited with 24000 miles.

We have a 2022 Limited with 24000 miles. It serves its purpose well with the ability to cary bark dust and as a daily driver. The creature comforts are very nice with the cooled seats and the heated steering wheel. is inexcusable that the top model has a manual passenger seat. The headlights are the worst I have ever driven with.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Bright White Clearcoat
Int. color: Diesel Gray / Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 16-23
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 8-Speed Automatic
Engine: 5.7L V8 16V MPFI OHV
Stock #: 2133A
VIN: 3C6JR7ET4NG206051

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, Satellite Radio, USB Port
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Tow Hitch
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control

Reviews

2022 RAM 1500 Classic SLT review

Truck that rides like a luxury car

Great looking truck that rides like a luxury car. The suspension is state of the art and was the deciding factor for me versus the F-150. The Uconnect system works seamlessly to provide phone connectivity and the myriad of available features make customizing your Ram a breeze.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Quicksilver Metallic
Int. color: Jet Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: 6.6L V8 16V GDI OHV
Stock #: 2065A
VIN: 1GT59ME77PF245474

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, Keyless Entry, Remote Start
Entertainment: Apple CarPlay®, Bluetooth®, Premium Sound System, Satellite Radio, USB Port, WiFi Hotspot
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Tow Hitch, Tow Hooks
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control

Vehicle information

Ext. color: LIGHTNING BLUE
Int. color: EBONY LEATHER SEATS
Transmission: ELEC 10-SPEED AUTO TRANS
Engine: 2.3L ECOBOOST ENGINE
Stock #: 29914B
VIN: 1FTER4FH4KLA65094

Features

Convenience: Adaptive Cruise Control, Remote Start
Exterior: Tow Hitch

Reviews

Lithia Ford of Roseburg review

Excellent service

The rear end bearing went out of my F150 while traveling from Canada. I made it to Lithia Ford just before closing. Kyle did a test drive and booked me in for the next morning. The problem was diagnosed quickly and the parts ordered. Kyle was very helpful getting us a rental car and then dealing with my insurance group. He went out of his way to keep me informed. Everyone at Lithia Ford were friendly and helpful in every way.

2019 Ford Ranger LARIAT review

Pour heating and air 2019

Has more than enough power .when I need it it's got it .don't like the fact that a 2019 should have this problem with the heater and air or the fuel gage .but the brown pills do happen .plus do you need a Vin number for the heater. If iam having a problem with electricity on.this what's going to happen with an E.V

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Black Clearcoat
Int. color: Black
Transmission: 8-Speed Automatic
Engine: 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
Stock #: 29671B
VIN: 1C6JJTBG9LL184605

Reviews

Lithia Ford of Roseburg review

Purchase 2017 Ford Escape

Great customer service, Cliff, salesman! Good inventory and prices. Fast service. Thanks, Lithia!

2020 Jeep Gladiator RUBICON review

my grandmother sadly traded in this gladiator i wish she

my grandmother sadly traded in this gladiator i wish she would have kept it . It is very comfortable,reliable,it look great on the outside,it has enough power,and its value is very good.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Diamond Black
Int. color: Red / Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 19-24
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 8-Speed Automatic
Engine: 5.7L V8 16V MPFI OHV
Stock #: 2135A
VIN: 1C6SRFETXKN763094

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, Keyless Entry, Keyless Start, Navigation System, Remote Start
Entertainment: Apple CarPlay®, Bluetooth®, HomeLink, Premium Sound System, Satellite Radio, USB Port, WiFi Hotspot
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Sunroof/Moonroof, Tow Hitch, Tow Hooks
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Rain Sensing Wipers, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats

Reviews

2019 RAM 1500 Rebel review

Super dependable.

Super dependable. I paid 26.4k cash 2 years ago for mine is as good as my old 1979 custom100 Ranger. Power is excellent too 5.7 495hp 8 speed automatic with selectable gears on the steering wheel. 190k miles still drives like new.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Summit White
Int. color: Jet Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 18-20
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: 5.3L V8 16V GDI OHV
Stock #: 2269A
VIN: 1GTUUBED6PZ180765

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, Keyless Entry, Keyless Start, Navigation System, Remote Start
Entertainment: Apple CarPlay®, Bluetooth®, Premium Sound System, Satellite Radio, USB Port, WiFi Hotspot
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Tow Hitch, Tow Hooks
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Lane Departure Warning, Stability Control

Reviews

2023 GMC Sierra 1500 SLE review

Like the truck but also disappointed

Got the duramax diesel and getting 24 city and 32 highway is very good. Truck drives nice and is very comfortable. My 2 issues with this truck is the backup camera at night is useless (very dark) and interior lighting is not very good. You would have thought a 78k truck would have footwell lights, but it doesn’t.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Magnetic Gray Metallic
Int. color: Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 13-17
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 6-Speed Automatic
Engine: 5.7L V8 32V MPFI DOHC
Stock #: 2105A
VIN: 5TFAY5F15JX776675

Features

Convenience: Adaptive Cruise Control, Heated Seats, Keyless Entry, Navigation System
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, CD Player, HomeLink, Premium Sound System, Satellite Radio
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Sunroof/Moonroof, Tow Hitch, Tow Hooks
Safety: Backup Camera, Blind Spot Monitor, Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats, Memory Seat

Reviews

2018 Toyota Tundra Platinum review

Best Work Truck

Toyota might be behind on tech, but they’re reliable and for a work truck that’s all I need. Yeah it’s bad on fuel, yeah it’s not buttery smooth ride quality. However, all I need is for it to start in the morning and get me to all my job sites carrying a load of people and all my gear. Perfect vehicle!

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Summit White
Int. color: Jet Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 6-Speed Automatic
Engine: 6.0L V8 16V MPFI OHV
Stock #: 2299A
VIN: 1GT42WCG6JF279041

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, CD Player, Premium Sound System, Satellite Radio, USB Port, WiFi Hotspot
Exterior: Tow Hitch, Tow Hooks
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control

Reviews

2018 GMC Sierra 3500 SLE review

An overall nice truck but for a person at my size(5,11)

An overall nice truck but for a person at my size(5,11) the mirrors and posts really block the view. My tinted windows really amplify the problem. The hood also takes a bit of room for a short person. Its a comfortable ride and works well in my line of work in excavation. The sound muffler in the hood makes you think something is wrong but apparently its not.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Billet Silver Metallic Clearcoat
Int. color: Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 19-24
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 8-Speed Automatic
Engine: 5.7L V8 16V MPFI OHV
Stock #: 2257M
VIN: 1C6SRFHT1KN842732

Features

Convenience: Adaptive Cruise Control, Cooled Seats, Heated Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, Keyless Entry, Navigation System, Remote Start
Entertainment: Apple CarPlay®, Bluetooth®, HomeLink, Premium Sound System, Satellite Radio, WiFi Hotspot
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Sunroof/Moonroof, Tow Hitch, Tow Hooks
Safety: Backup Camera, Blind Spot Monitor, Brake Assist, Rain Sensing Wipers, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats, Memory Seat

Reviews

2019 RAM 1500 Limited review

This is my 3rd Ram 1500.

This is my 3rd Ram 1500. I have had 2008, 2013, and now a 2019. All great looking strong running trucks with the 5.7 HEMI. I’ve never had the HEMI tick. Lots of power. Modifications, black wheels, wider more agressive tires, 2” leveling kit, spray in bed liner. Can’t say enough. Love these trucks and would recommend to anyone.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Brilliant Black Crystal Pearlcoat
Int. color: Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 15-21
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 8-Speed Automatic
Engine: 5.7L V8 16V MPFI OHV
Stock #: 2276A
VIN: 1C6RR7MT2FS783742

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, Keyless Entry, Remote Start
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, HomeLink, Premium Sound System, Satellite Radio
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Tow Hitch
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Rain Sensing Wipers, Stability Control

Reviews

2015 RAM 1500 Sport review

My family has own multiple ram 1500 2014 and newer all

My family has own multiple ram 1500 2014 and newer all great no problems except for third brake light. Get daily easier to maintain and work on than most gm 2016 and newer more power than f150 love these trucks.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Bright White Clearcoat
Int. color: Light Frost
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 19-24
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 8-Speed Automatic
Engine: 5.7L V8 16V MPFI OHV
Stock #: 2285A
VIN: 1C6SRFFT4LN197840

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Heated Steering Wheel, Keyless Entry, Keyless Start
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, CD Player, HomeLink, Satellite Radio, USB Port
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Tow Hitch, Tow Hooks
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control

Reviews

2020 RAM 1500 Big Horn review

No question, RAM has the other brands beat!

I've now had 3 2015 or newer Ram 1500's. I tend to out between 30k to 35k per year on my trucks, and I have had almost no issues with any of my Ram 1500 pickups. The first one and the one I am currently driving both had 5.7 liter Hemis, and the middle one had the 3liter turbo Eco Diesel. The last 2 have been Laramie editions with the first being a Big Horn edition. I have nothing but high marks to give these trucks across the board. Power-great Exterior styling- great Interior (especially the Laramies) - Stellar Reliability - great I think they are easily the best value and best looking trucks on the market.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Bright White Clearcoat
Int. color: Black
Drivetrain: Four-wheel Drive
MPG: 19-24
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 8-Speed Automatic
Engine: 5.7L V8 16V MPFI OHV
Stock #: 2280A
VIN: 1C6SRFMT7KN649815

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry, Keyless Start, Power Folding Mirrors, Remote Start
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, HomeLink, Satellite Radio, USB Port
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Tow Hitch
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control

Reviews

2019 RAM 1500 Big Horn review

Great truck

I have owned this truck since it was new and couldn't be happier. It has never let me down. It tows effortlessly, is very comfortable and very safe. The Hemi engine never lacks all the power I ever need but it's still not a killer on gas.

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