Video: Luxury Smackdown: Genesis G70 Vs. BMW 3 Series

And that's a big deal because it's the highest award we give to any model in a given year, in part, because we thought the G70 would really blow out of the water competition like the BMW three series. But that was the old three series, the F30 generation of the sedan. BMW a few months later went and redesigned it. This is the all new G23 series, which leads us to wonder, well, how does that compare to our favorite car of the year, the Genesis G70? Well, you want thorough? We got thorough. We compared the two vehicles on a racetrack for zero to 60 in quarter mile times. We did breaking from 60 all the way back down to zero. We took them on a skid pad and an auto cross. We drove them on a suburban handling loop as well. We measured trunk space. We looked at multimedia systems. We're going to get into all of that right now. So, fasten your seat belts. Here we go. (upbeat music) So both of these cars have similar engine layouts. We've got four cylinder or six cylinder power trains. It's a V6 and the G70 inline six in the BMW three series, but both are turbo-charged. But let's get right away to the elephant in the room. We're comparing a G70 with the six cylinder versus the three series with the four cylinder. Joe, why are we doing it? <v Joe>So the, the cars that we could gather, we have two G70's and two, three series. And out of those, these match more closely on price and people shop by price. So we really wanted to show what you get for your money, especially because the value proposition on the G70 is really what, you know, helped it win our award. So we're looking at a $51,000 with destination G70, 3.3 and then the three series is $57,000. So, you know, in the middle there is probably around $55,00 where you'll see people looking at these cars, but really the ones we tested, these matched up on price and also in equipment. Yeah. Similar pricing, similar equipment, both have all wheel drive, both have all season tires here as tested. And so, really kind of a good matchup. So let's talk about these cars. So this is our longterm G70 right here. This is a 3.3 liter. We bought this car last December after naming it our best of the year car. We do that typically every year now, and this car, as you said, about $6,200 less than this car. This BMW three series right here. Different engines. We've got a 3.3 liter V6. We've got a two liter inline four cylinder engine. Both turbocharged. How'd they do in terms of just straight up acceleration on the tracks? So the G70 has 110 more horsepower than the three series, which is a lot, it's a big difference, but the G70 also weighs about 300 pounds more than three series. <v Kelsey>And that's when we weighed them at the track on a vehicle. <v Joe>As tested weight, exactly. So, in zero to 60 acceleration and quarter-mile acceleration, the G70 just walked away from the three series. Three series still respectable for what it is. Faster than the last one that we tested. It did zero to 60 in 5.59 seconds. It did the quarter mile in 14.17 seconds. G70 though, smoked it, zero to 64.8 seconds, quarter mile in 13.1 seconds. That's a massive difference between these and you really feel it not only on the drag strip, but also out on the road. Yeah, around town. I noticed the G70 just has this nice kind of velvety band of torque starting out, just getting off the line. No problem at all getting up to speed, just revs out really nicely. Really sings as you kind of get up to five, 6,000 RPM. The three series almost felt a little diesel, like to me, just in terms of how much torque it gives you early on. And then it just kind of plateaus a little bit after that. I noticed a little bit of lag off the line, but not as much as you did. <v Joe>No, I was a little more offended by the lag. And perhaps it was just because we're looking at the extremely responsive twin turbo V6 here, where the four cylinder here just had a little more accelerator lag off the line. Nowhere near as bad as the Genesis 2.0 T, though. We're going to get to that later. Yes, not great. But, between these two, I felt like the G70 was the more responsive engine, you know, both on the track and on the street. <v Kelsey>Yeah, interesting story of transmissions too. I know when Genesis brought out the G70, they made a big deal in their kind of press materials that, you know, the G70 eight speed automatic was quicker in terms of its shifts versus the then previous generation BMW three series eight speed automatic. But then BMW brought out this redesign and spent a lot of time talking about how it had a better transmission. I do think the eight speed in the three series, the 330 even was a better than in the G70. Yeah, I mean, it, it downshifted a little bit quicker once you were going at speed. Not that the eight speed in the G70 was slow at all, but the three series was a little bit more crisp. The up shifts were just fantastic, though. Super fast, if you didn't know that this was just the traditional, you know, transmission torque, you could mistake it for dual clutch transmission. If you're just feeling for firmness, shifts, quickness, it was extremely responsive. Interesting about both cars, they have launch control. So, you know, not something you typically think of in, you know, midsize, compact family sedans. You think a GTR and you know, other high-performance cars. Both of these have launch control. Both of them used it at the track for those acceleration numbers. <v Kelsey>Yeah. Now it bears mention, we did do breaking tests from 60 down to zero, very similar, not a huge differentiator between these two cars. They both braked in a straight line, not a lot of body movement. Very good there. Let's talk about handling though. That was a big difference. What was your takeaway? <v Joe>Yeah, so again, when we talk about these being similar, very similar suspension as far as where they live in their respective lineups, right? There's a base suspension, there's a mid sports suspension, and then there's a top level adaptive sports suspension. And both of these have that middle level fixed firmness, not adjustable suspension. And, it's really interesting because, on the street, the G70 felt a little more responsive, little tighter. The BMW though, on our skid pad and the autocross course we set up, this thing was phenomenal. Blew it out of the water. I mean, I agree with you completely. The G70 felt like, I mean, it sold a little more of its reflexes upfront. You know, the steering was a little bit quicker ratio immediately. The BMW, our test car here does have a more advanced steering option, but it didn't feel as, as quick going in. it's got the optional steering. It didn't feel as quick going into the corner, but once you got five, 10 degrees in the ratio really, really, really quickened up, and it really rotated super easy. I mean, you got mid corner and it felt like the car was so neutral. I mean, the tail would kind of swing out a little bit on you, but then you could tuck it back in whenever you wanted. In the G70 again, a rear wheel drive based system. So you could slide the tail out if you really, really hammered on the throttle, but it just wasn't natural at all. It wasn't an easy car to rotate like the three series was. <v Joe>No, it didn't feel as balanced. And I think you see that in the aftermath of the tires on our G70, that are a little worse for wear, a little more shredded. Whereas the tires on the BMW are pristine, and you really get that when I'm on autocross course. You turned into a corner and this car immediately just starts howling at you. Arrrrrrr! And it's all over the place. Whereas this, was like an Olympic downhill skier, right? It was just, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh. It was unbelievable. Once you start pushing this car, when you're at the limits of grip, this thing is just so much more responsive. It's almost telepathic in how it would get around the cones. So when I was outside the car watching you, you could see the wheels turning at different speeds and being optimized to get that car around the corner as efficiently as possible. Yeah, a lot of that, credit the weight distribution. I mean, this car just felt like it had a lot more weight over the front axle. There was just a lot more under steer push. Some people call it as you kind of got into the corner and it was just really hard to kind of set the, set the vehicle on its tail. The BMW just, just did that instinctively. <v Joe>Yeah. And we talked about the steering. We've given BMW steering, you know, not great remarks over the past few years. And I think when, when you're at the limits and you're, you're really counter steering into a corner, to keep the backend in place. It's responsive, it does what you want it to but the G70, I just feel like you have more resolution in the steering. So you can feel the little bumps. You can feel the grooves in the road through the steering. Unfortunately, it doesn't feel like at least on this suspension with these tires, the rest of the car is set up to handle that really well. There's a little too much body lean, dive and squat. It just doesn't feel as composed and poised as the BMW. <v Kelsey>Yeah, I mean, I agree with you mostly. I do think the BMW does deserve some blame for kind of feedback and numbness on center especially... [Jon} Great for a luxury car. <v Kelsey>Yeah, if you're driving around on a curvy winding road versus bombing around a race track where you're really getting the car sideways, that's where this car disappoints a little bit, just in terms of steering feel. I'm just not picking up as much and like you said, we've complained about that in a lot of BMWs. <v Joe>Yeah. <v Kelsey>For a while. So let's get over to ride quality then There's mentioned our G70 here, has 18 inch wheels. You can go up to 19, these have eighteens. The BMW has 19. You can go eighteens, nineteens or twenties even. In the three series, how did it do with the nineteens? <v Joe>It's a bouncy ride. It is very stiffly sprung. And this is unique for this new model because previously the M sport package on all wheel drive cars, didn't come with a sports suspension. You have the standard suspension on that car. You had an optional adaptive suspension, but this is the first time you get the full-blown sports suspension on the all wheel drive car. And it's a, it's an aggressive setup. It really is. I mean, BMW makes big claims about how it's substantially differentiated now versus the base suspension. You know, the prior generation of this car got a little bit of flack for being a little bit too soft and this is almost like BMW's answer to this was sort of a big middle finger to everybody who was thinking that because this car is a very, very stiff riding car. The G70 is a fairly stiff car as well, but compare it to this BMW with the M sport package, our G70, I was just sensing a little bit of lateral kind of body movement over bumps and stuff. It seemed to have a little bit of rigidity issues versus the BMW, which didn't at all. But again, you pay for that so much with just ride stiffness on the highway. There was just a lot of kind of turbulence that was being picked up in the 330. Not a comfortable car at all. The G70 it bears mentioning, our G70. we've never said it rides particularly well. <v Joe>It's a very busy ride. <v Kelsey>Ride quality is not one of the strengths of the G70 but I do think it rides better than the 330. <v Joe>Where I would feel it the most is over those big expansion joints in the highway, going 65, 70 miles an hour. In the BMW, your seat belt will lock up because it trying to keep you in the seat because it almost feels like you're gonna fly out of the seat cause you hit the bumps so hard. On the G70, there's a constant kind of wheel motion, a busy ride, but it's a little better at amping those big bumps. It's not quite the jolt to your butt as it is on this car. Right, so let's go over to technology. Now, both of these cars obviously, luxury sports sedans. Anybody shopping that's going to expect a lot of technology. I thought the BMW had just kind of a higher roster of tech features, didn't you? <v Joe>Oh yeah, definitely it did. I think the, the highlight of that system though, is the screen. Just the, the wide screen it's resolution. When you're using Apple Car Play, it really feels like an extension of your phone. The colors are vibrant. It shows all the information you want it to. It looks like, you know, it's a brand new multimedia system using your brand new Apple, whatever on it. G70 though, not as good. No, no, not at all. It's, it's not a bad system. It's your kind of spec Hyundai multimedia system. Genesis, obviously the new luxury brand of Hyundai. But you know, in so many of these cars, there's this, really this war going on right now for screen size. And we've seen that kind of expanded ridiculous proportions with some really poor execution from some automakers, but BMW really gets it right. It's screen is a little over 10 inches versus an eight inch screen here for that center touch screen in the vehicle. BMW now has a touch screen, finally. They've introduced that in a few models years ago in conjunction with their iDrive system, that gives you a knob down here. A really crisp, good resolution. It pairs with a screen kind of in the center of the gauge cluster. It's got a virtual gauge display. So just to kind of a lot more tech going on there but, it's all kind of difficult to use. There's a, yeah, get into that. Yeah, well the initial setup, which, you know, we do pretty often in different cars, but for an owner, you might just have to figure it out once or twice or whenever you get a new phone. But the, the setup, the user interface is pretty complicated. You have to walk through it in the owner's manual to figure out what to do, how to pair your phone. But once it is paired, you're getting some extra content here that you don't get in the G70. <v Kelsey>Yeah, things like a wireless Apple Car Play. That's a feature that very very few brands have right now. BMW is one of those. You can just kind of leave your phone in your pocket and it wirelessly pairs through kind of short range, wifi pairing to the system. [Joe} You know, I've had good success with that. And we had good success with this. We've had some editors who've had systems, this system kind of dropped out on them a bit. But in this test, this system worked pretty well versus kind of a corded system you had to have in the G70 but BMW charges you for that. Yeah, that's the thing. I do think it's the, it's the, the more impressive execution, right? If this is the latest iPhone screen, then the Genesis kind of has like, an iPhone four or five screen. Resolution, not great. The colors don't match what your phone is, but you do have Android auto on the Genesis G70. You don't even get Android auto on the three series yet. You don't get Android auto on any BMW for the 2019 or 2020 model year yet. BMW still seems lost in the woods on that. We don't really know why, but they got to get onboard. So no Android auto and once your Car Play free year subscription is up, you have to pay for it. Yeah, so kind of a bummer there. Again, to go back to some of those controls as well. I mean, I know it, it took some more time to get things set up, but even after things were set up, there was just a lot of things that were confusing. I mean, you have to rely on so many flat panel controls down here on the center console to do things like go to shortcuts on the multimedia menu or set drive modes and everything. And all of that requires you often to take your eyes off the road. The gear selector has got this tiny little park button. Oh, I couldn't stand the gear selector. Yeah, talk about that. Yeah, so if, if you have to think about it, don't do it, right? You have to think about it don't design it like that. I mean, you have to look for the parking button. The D tenths aren't exactly clear. The Genesis also has an electronic gear selector but.... <v Kelsey>Which we're not generally in favor of. <v Joe>No, exactly. Especially when it doesn't save you any space, You know, when it's used as a, you know, Look at me, this is cool. Marketing super cool and hip, then no, I'm not. The, the Genesis does do it better because when you put it into drive and when you put it into reverse, you do feel like an extra click. And then the park button is so much bigger and easier to find. We had someone helping us with the three series and they could not figure out how to put it in park. Right. And I mean, it just kind of extends from there. The headlights in the three series, instead of being this nice little click rotary knob, they're now a whole bunch of buttons scattered off to the left of the steering wheel. You got to kind of look down and figure out what you're doing there. You know, it's got, high-tech like gesture control. So you can do this now and raise the volume or lower the volume just by doing this kind of in the air, in front of the screen. But the actual volume knob is this tiny little thing you got to look down to find. And the tuning knob requires you just use the iDrive controller to kind of tune through stations. It just seems like an over complicated math. Yeah, it's, it's complicated, but I like having options. You have four different ways to change the radio station. Right? If you really wanted to. Which is better than not having options, like, you know, perhaps a competitor of BMW, like Audi, for who a long time haven't had touchscreens with Apple Car Play. Finally getting them now. Finally getting them now but BMW at least gives you options. All right, so, that's one kind of side of the whole technology spectrum. You get over to the other side and we're talking about self-driving autonomy features, right? There was a big difference between these two cars when it came down to that. Yeah the BMW is one of the only cars to have a hands-free system that their lawyers let them call a hands-free system. Extended traffic jam assistant, I believe is what it is. Yeah, exactly. And what does that let you do? So at low speeds, below 40 miles an hour, you can set the mode and you are, it allows you to go hands-free at low speeds when all of the conditions are met and around here in Chicago, we spent a lot of time in traffic. It, it's fantastic. I think it works really well. It keeps the car centered in its lane and you know, it does it for a long time. Yeah, I mean, we've had some issues with setup in this system. We've had a lot of issues in other BMWs with the feature that it's kind of tapping out at various points. It only works on recognized and approved highways. There has to be a divider. There's gotta be traffic around you. It only, it doesn't work up past 40 miles an hour. Like, you know, the competing system Cadillac super cruise does. But at least BMW offers it. I think it's going to be a number of years before Genesis ever gets around offering something like hands-free steering. It does have lane centering steering, but even that only works higher than certain speeds. <v Joe>They don't call it lane centering. <v Kelsey>They don't call it lane centering. They call it lane keep assist. Although Genesis has in recent months come around to kind of admitting that maybe it's lane centering after all. So, I mean, it's all just, it's, it's kind of a very hazy envelope of, of features in the G70 versus in the three series. But look how far we come. I mean, it used to be not too many model years ago that you'd get one car that didn't even have automatic emergency braking versus, I mean, and both of these cars do have a fairly full roster of kind of basic safety and semi-autonomy tech. Yep, and this is where you start to understand the price difference between the three series and the G70. The three series just have a lot more tricks up its sleeve at this price anyway. Yeah, absolutely. It's also got more room up its sleeve. Oh, does it. Let's talk about that? Yeah, so, the back seat is comfortable, which you can't really say about the the G70. The G70, I have to sit all the way at the ground, which honestly that's where I prefer to sit, slammed all the way down. But even then my hair touches the top of the headliner, which sometimes it's spiky, but you know, oftentimes it's flat, but I still, you know, it scrapes the roof here. This is a considerably larger car. Yeah, I mean, it's, the headroom aspect is, is a big, big deal. I mean, you get into the G7O and the room is not ever really been the G70's forte. But compared to a car like the three series, my head is also touching and I like to sit higher. So I ended up having to sit lower than I usually want to. There's just kind of a lot more furniture around you in terms of just the console, occupying more space at your knees. You can't go. So the seat just kind of feels overall narrow. Now I didn't think that the 330's seats, we have the optional sports seats in our car. I didn't find them particularly comfortable. It does feel like you're just sitting on a bunch of over bolstered cushions that were fastened together. But in terms of room, no contest. Yeah, no contest and especially in the trunk too. There's a, they call it 17 cubic feet of trunk space. I call it BS, 17 cubic feet, but there is more than the Genesis. I think the Genesis, it's spec of 10 point, whatever. Yeah, it kind of undersells what's there. The 17 oversells. That's like..... 60% more. Yeah, it's it's, it's not that much bigger. It is more usable though. It's, it's got a taller cargo area, it's wider, definitely more usable. The back seat folds. The opening of the back when it's folded is much larger. Overall usability and comfort as far as room? Three series. Absolutely. I mean, we did take our measuring tape to these cargo areas. We should mention we found cargo specs in the past among all manufacturers to just kind of be unreliable and inconsistently marketed. But by our measurements, there's another three inches or so of cargo height in the trunk of the three series versus the G70. That's almost 20% more room. And that's the difference, I mean, you fit your kid's stroller in bed, Joe, and I mean, it fit really nicely, easily. You could just chuck it back in there of the three series and in the G70, you just had to be a little more careful getting it in and I'm not sure how much more stuff around it you would have been able to fit. [Joe} Not a lot More, Yeah. So another battleground here, once you get past space is just how nice these cars are. I mean, if you're ponying up, you know, $55,000 give or take for a luxury car, it ought to be pretty nice. Which one of these won there? <v Joe>G70, without a doubt. I mean, it's surprising considering the price difference between these and what this starts off at. There are multiple grades of leather in the G70 and we have the top grade. <v Kelsey>The Napa leather. [Joe} The Napa leather, Yeah, with the diamond stitching, and.... Same place they get their cabbage, you know, Napa is, is, that, it's all, it's all the same, same . Yeah. So the Genesis without a doubt is the more luxurious styled and appointed interior. <v Kelsey>Yeah. I mean, I, I give BMW a little bit of credit for a little, for more consistency. You get kind of below the armrest levels and they have some more kind of low gloss, consistent looking materials. There's some more cheaper plastics when you get down there in our G70, but in terms of just major areas that you look at and touch just really nice stuff going on in the G70. They've got this kind of vinyl wrapping across a whole bunch of the dashboard looks really upscale, looks like a leather wrapped dash, honestly. And just kind of the interplay, as you were saying between the different textures and kind of how things are kind of, materials are kind of diving into each other. It's just a more interesting looking interior. I think the three series is stepping backwards. I mean, the previous generation was a little nicer and the generation before that was a lot nicer. And so I think, unfortunately the three series has been sort of nickel and dimed in terms of interior quality over the years. And that unfortunately seems to be continuing with this redesign. Yeah, I mean, it depends on you, what do you consider luxury? If you're looking at material quality and softness and plushness of the interior, I think the G70 has that. But then when you look at the features and the "wow, look at me" stuff that three series does. That elevates the interior and just the overall luxurious experience in the three series. But I, it really depends on what you're looking for. The leather in the G70 is just really nice and supple and looks high quality. And our three series does have the optional leather, but, I think there are good simulated leathers that look just as good as this real stuff. <v Kelsey>Yeah, it is kind of rubbery. It feels, feels more like vinyl, honestly. Especially compared to this really nice stuff in our G70. And then that kind of wraps around to this whole idea of sort of value for the money. And for me, that, that wasn't even close. I mean, the G70, we should mention, the G70 starts around $35,000 and you check every box from in terms of factory options and go to the highest trim level and a G70 will top out kind of in the low to mid $50,000 range. Our test car here, our long-term vehicle is about 51, $52,000 right there. The three series starts around $41,000 and goes all the way up to like $70,000. Value has never really been a kind of a BMW thing. At least for its newer models. That seems especially true now. And the G70 has more features, right? Yeah, it does. So at this price point, the G70 has a powered telescoping tilt steering wheel. It also has heated rear seats and ventilated seats that our three series doesn't have. None of them. Yeah, none of those three. Plus it's got, you know, a longer warranty. Both of them have a few years of free maintenance, but the G70 will send someone down from the dealership to pick your car up and take it back. And that's a feature we've now enjoyed multiple times. It's a really cool feature. <v Joe>Amazing. <v Kelsey>It means you don't have to actually do anything when your car needs maintenance. So yeah, clearly, clearly the value belongs in the G70's court. And, this gets us back to that M340, right? Because in the G70, I mean, we're at 51 and change, you can't even get into an M340 until you're at what? 54, $55,000. <v Joe>Yeah, and then all, I started to smile because now we're talking about the M340 and I just, I just, I love that car. It's so fantastic. Ours was also $69,000 and non M three, you know, it's the M340, this is the only way you can get a six cylinder three series right now. That's the M performance mantra package on the three series. They call it the M340, like the M235 before and other models. This thing is an absolute rocket ship. We brought it along for testing as well. We did all the same test thing with the M340. We just didn't think that comparing a $51,000 Genesis versus a $70,000, you know, three series was quite apples to apples. Plus that one had the optional adaptive suspension and a lot of other performance goodies. <v Kelsey>It was apples to rocket ships. <v Joe>It was a rocket ship. We did zero to 60 in 3.89 seconds. And we did the quarter mile in 12.15 seconds. [Kelsey I don't think people realize Quite how quick that is. I mean, you probably hear a lot of manufacturers now say, oh this car does zero to 60 in under four seconds. And that's become so normalized. That is just stupid quick. <v Joe>It is. <v Kelsey>I mean, that that's, it's violent. [Joe} So the last M4 that we tested of the previous generation, we did zero to 60 in 3.9 seconds. And we did the quarter mile in 12.0 seconds. So this is right on top of an M3. <v Kelsey>Crazy. I just thought it was violent, violent. So was the pricing for that matter. Yeah, exactly. Violent was really what I described it as coming out from a stop. I mean, it also has launch control. You blinked and you were already up in the third gear. It just flew through first and second. And, there was just no stopping the power. I mean, it, it was at, at a hundred miles an hour. It still felt like it was building power real strong. Yeah, just an unbelievable car. It had very similar dynamics as the 330M sport. Everything was just heightened more. There's more grip. It was more controllable. That car was just, we were driving these, but I really wanted to be driving the M340. <v Kelsey>Yeah, I mean, it goes to show that just because horsepower and even torque can seem similar between two cars, it doesn't necessarily mean that the M340, BMW might be just really conservatively rating those specs, because that is just an absolutely enormous amount of acceleration. And all that extra power really does mean you get the dynamics of the three series in general, and you can just hang the tail out so much longer than the M340, because there's all that power oversteer. If you just want it to, you can just stay on the gas and just kind of lay the car going sideways as long as you want. Really, really. <v Joe>And that the sports exhaust on the M340 sounds spectacular. I mean, it sounds exotic, which might be enough reason alone to choose that right now over a current generation in M3. Right, so you have the top engine in the G70 and the top engine in the three series and not too much of a contest there, just in terms of acceleration and handling. What about the base engine versus the base engine? We did bring along Genesis G70 with the base engine, the 2.0 liter four cylinder turbocharged with rear wheel drive and summer tires. How did that do? <v Joe>Yeah, it was a $44,000 car and it felt like a $35,000 car. Honestly, with you're looking at all four of these cars, I would just kinda like push that 2.0 T off to the side a little bit and let's just talk more about the three series. I just wasn't impressed with that four cylinder, especially comparing it to something like this 2.0 in the three series, which is a very good, you know, four cylinder experience. You know, not quite the responsive machine of the G70 six cylinder, but as far as four cylinders go, very, very good. <v Kelsey>Yeah. We, we drove the, the G70 at the press preview last year and the 2.0 T. It didn't seem so bad back then. I mean, the, the eight speed really kind of bailed it out a lot. It was really shifting at all the right points. And so just kind of bombing up and down hills, around curvy roads, the 2.0 T seemed fairly balanced. But to your point when we get it out there on a track. Yeah, it just kind of runs out of steam. <v Joe>Yeah, it does. And the, the suspension entire setup is so weird because it's the base comfort suspension with sticky summer tire and good Michelin. Michelin pilot sport fours. And the body was leaning all over the place and these poor tires were trying to do their best to keep everything under control but you could feel that it's just like, oh, a lot of that grip was coming from the tires and suspension was not helping at all. Not super predictable. I mean, you get the car kind of out on a long sweeper on the autocross and, you know, the tires would be holding you, holding kind of things steady in line but then once they started to lose it, the tail would just kind of really move around on you. And there was no controlling it and the car would just kind of whip back and forth. <v Joe>Oh, and it would snap back. All of them were kind of doing that, but the, the 2.0 with just rear wheel drive seems to be the most accentuated and, and not in a good way. I mean, not like in a, in a car commercial stunt driver sort of way. No, you want a three series for that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. This was more of just kind of like bumpy by and, and, and just kind of moving around randomly on you as you were just trying to hang on. I suppose, if there's any consolation it's that if, if you were a very, very highly skilled driver and learned how to manage it, Not this guy. Yep, not me either, but, and you, and you learn how to manage it, then it could be fun, but you just didn't need as much skill to manage drifting around in the three series. It just happened so much. And all wheel drive. It's like, we didn't have a rear wheel drive three series. The all wheel drive was smart enough and sends enough power to the rear that this thing, when the rear end kicked out, you could control how much angle you had just with throttle. I mean, much easier in the 340 where you had a lot more under your right foot. But, I mean, we were just out there drifting this thing around with complete ease. Yeah, absolutely. And that really brings us back to these two cars. We tested the two that were closest in price among the full four vehicles. That being the G70 V6 versus the 330, both with all wheel drive. Yeah. I mean, it was close, but I mean, we spent enough time in these, you know, acceleration and skid pad that I really do feel confident in declaring a winner here. <v Kelsey>So when we added up all the categories, the three series squeaked out a very narrow win over the G70. When you're really stacking up the 330 versus the G70 3.3 turbo at similar pricing. But a win is a win. And so BMW walks away with this one. If you want to read more, there's plenty of it. All kinds of details. All on cars.com.