New cars for sale in Bowman, SC
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Agate Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Dark Space Gray
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.3L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- FC39118
- VIN
- 1FMUK7DH5TGC39118
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Walterboro FordReviews
Walterboro Ford review
This is our third truck from Walterboro Ford. Everyone in the office is easy to work with, and they can always find exactly what we're looking for!
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$217,642
Est. $3,970/mo Mercedes-Benz of Buckhead
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- Ext. color
- Obsidian Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Yacht Blue/Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 14-21
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- AMG 4L V-8 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, Bitur
- Stock #
- VF029682
- VIN
- W1KVK8BB9VF029682
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Mercedes-Benz of BuckheadReviews
Mercedes-Benz of Buckhead review
Facility is amazing and the sales team is awesome!!! MB of Buckhead, now has a customer for life. Thanks again MB of Buckhead.
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$79,479
Est. $1,450/mo Mercedes-Benz of South Orlando
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- Ext. color
- Obsidian Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- I6
- Stock #
- VF648668
- VIN
- W1NKM7EB1VF648668
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Mercedes-Benz of South OrlandoReviews
Mercedes-Benz of South Orlando review
Raul is the best!! Takes great care of my car! Great customer service and really nice!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- 2t Alpine Metal
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- T9140189
- VIN
- JN8AY3DB0T9140189
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
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Hudson NissanReviews
Hudson Nissan review
It was truly a pleasure working with Ron Hannon. He was very patient. He answered all my questions, made my online purchase smooth and easy. Ron you’re awesome. Thank you!
2026 Nissan Armada review
I am a very tall person (6'8" tall) and I am overjoyed with my purchase of the 2026 Nissan Armada. The Armada has room to spare, and is very comfortable. I did some serious online review of this vehicle, and I am glad to say that all of my objectives were met when I purchased this vehicle. On the highway, my Armada gets almost 24 miles to the gallon, and that is unheard of with either the Tahoe or Yukon. I purchased the SL model, so I didn't get some of the high end features, but what I did get suits me just fine. I would not hesitate to others who are looking for a three row SUV to purchase this vehicle.
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$80,134
Est. $1,462/mo Hudson Nissan of Summerville
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- Ext. color
- Super Black
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- T9231704
- VIN
- JN8AY3CC4T9231704
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
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Hudson Nissan of SummervilleReviews
Hudson Nissan of Summerville review
We came in to look at 2 EV vehicles. A Tesla model Y and a Nissan Ariya. They hade a great selection of pre owned EV’s. Very nice facility and very helpful staff. Would highly Recommend if your wanting to purchase and EV.
2026 Nissan Armada review
Coming from a 2023 Acura MDX. This is so much better. Transmission is buttery smooth. Stylish outside and luxurious inside. Ride is not bumpy. Amazing the value you get for a non-luxury vehicle. So much power and torque to move it when you need to but I mostly just cruise like it's a Cadillac. Sound system is certainly adequate in SL trim. If you had to put a g*n to my head to come up with a complaint I would say the doors sound cheap when you close them vs a luxury vehicle but that's all I got man
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$47,699
MSRP $47,000
Est. $870/mo Stokes Honda North
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- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-25
- Fuel type
- Regular gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 direct injection, DOHC, i-VTEC (w/VTC) variable valve c
- Stock #
- H02429
- VIN
- 5FNYF9H35TB098985
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Stokes Honda NorthReviews
Stokes Honda North review
Purchased 2023 Honda Odyssey and Sam Middleton was salesman. He was excellent! Professional, friendly and kept my wife and I informed each step of the process! Sam has been our salesman for the last four car purchases And we will utilize him again!
2026 Honda Passport review
I've had the vehicle for 2 weeks. I like it but it's ridiculous the AC is not cold enough because it automatically keeps switching to "woke" mode. Meaning, Economy Drive mode. No way to switch it. Honda needs to fix this. The AC sucks in the 2026 Passport top model
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$48,963
Est. $893/mo Hudson Nissan of Summerville
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- Ext. color
- Super Black
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- TC287220
- VIN
- 5N1DR3DK6TC287220
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Hudson Nissan of SummervilleReviews
Hudson Nissan of Summerville review
Jeff Korman was the biggest help if anyone needs help with a purchase of a new or used car he is the salesman you need to speak with super professional and very knowledgeable.
2026 Nissan Pathfinder review
Too new to call it reliable. But comparing to the Honda, with its normally aspirated V6, we went with the Nissan. Honda is still putting VCM (Variable Cylinder Management) on their NA engines and I didn't want all that stuff with its history of issues. The Nissan is very, VERY comfortable. Stylish to our taste and very functional use of space. Great deals are available. We wanted dual power seats and surround view, so the only way to go was the Platinum edition. It makes decent power as a front-wheel drive system first. It's not winning any races, but it definitely gets out of its own way. We didn't buy it for future resale value because we intend to keep it. I hope Nissan keeps selling these NA V6's and avoids the hybrid only or turbo trap that everyone else seems to get hung up on. It loses a little for not having foglamps on their top trim and having to go to the top trim for a second power seat. You would do well to keep this one on your list if you NEED 3 row or just want a well sized and priced two row SUV with options. There's enough tech to keep you happy and reliable engine platform. The transmission is a ZF based design and we expect that with maintenance it is going to go for a long time. The only "bad thing" about this experience was that we had to leave our state to get a reasonable deal. At least we got a good road trip out of the purchase.
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$51,462
MSRP $59,480
Est. $939/mo Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North Charleston
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- Ext. color
- Diamond Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.0L I6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- T10266
- VIN
- 2C3CDAMP8TR228714
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North CharlestonReviews
Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North Charleston review
Dylan helped us get to where we needed to be. Very helpful and knowledgeable. Would recommend Dylan to other customers. Didn't plan on buying buy ended up leaving with 2
2026 Dodge Charger review
excellent choice for modern production muscle car featuring all creature comforts with nostalgic styling with excellent performance and handling and all up to date safety features
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$48,500
MSRP $53,910
Est. $885/mo Hudson Nissan
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- Ext. color
- Boulder Gray Pearl
- Int. color
- Chestnut
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- TC294235
- VIN
- 5N1DR3DV7TC294235
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Hudson NissanReviews
Hudson Nissan review
I purchased my 2023 Infiniti qx80 from Hudson Nissan in April of 2025. I Had 1 issue with my new purchased that was quickly resolved. I get my regular maintenance there as well. This is a dealership that I can trust. Darryl Fraser, keeps me updated for all my maintenance needs and he doesn't Tyr to push any unnecessary issues(experiences) on me. Hudson Nissan is #1 in my book!!!
2026 Nissan Pathfinder review
Great experience, excellent customer service I have been with modern Nissan of Concord for more than 17 plus years now and I will continue to bring them my business.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ice Cap
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- I-FORCE 2.4L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve con
- Stock #
- TT45E559O
- VIN
- 3TYKD5HN8TT039645
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Hendrick Toyota North CharlestonReviews
Hendrick Toyota North Charleston review
I got my work done in about a hour Saturday September 26. My service guy Jose Morales and the team were very polite despite rude and impatient people in the outside drive. There's also a notable apparent scheduling issue of appointments for the available staff.
2026 Toyota Tacoma review
Had a great experience at Autonation toyota south Austin. My sales man Rito and manager Melissa were great. The toyota Tacoma is one of the best mid size trucks out there.
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$41,163
MSRP $47,985
Est. $751/mo Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North Charleston
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- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Wicker Beige
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V PDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- DT10450
- VIN
- 1C4RJGBR6TC217824
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North CharlestonReviews
Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North Charleston review
Ross was awesome make sure to go see him. Treats you right and works hard to get you a great deal
2026 Jeep Grand Cherokee review
I've been driving the 2026 Grand Cherokee for a few months now, and I couldn't be happier with my purchase. The ride is incredibly smooth and comfortable, whether I'm commuting daily or taking longer road trips. The interior feels premium, with high-quality materials, plenty of space, and an intuitive infotainment system that's easy to use. The performance is excellent, with plenty of power when needed while still delivering respectable fuel economy. I also appreciate the advanced safety features and driver-assistance technology, which make every trip feel more secure and relaxing. The Grand Cherokee strikes a perfect balance between luxury, capability, and practicality. It's stylish, comfortable, and versatile enough for both family use and weekend adventures. I would highly recommend the 2026 Grand Cherokee to anyone looking for a dependable and refined SUV. Thank you John Hernandez at Hendrick Chrysler Jeep!!
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$53,344
MSRP $52,645
Est. $973/mo Stokes Honda North
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- Ext. color
- Sonic Gray Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-23
- Fuel type
- Regular gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 direct injection, DOHC, i-VTEC (w/VTC) variable valve c
- Stock #
- H02424
- VIN
- 5FNYG1H60TB072559
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Stokes Honda NorthReviews
Stokes Honda North review
Thank you Sharon for an awesome time purchasing my first Honda. Everyone there made my husband and me special Thanks everyone for such a wonderful experience
2026 Honda Pilot review
We purchased this vehicle on the recommendation of our trusted mechanic. We did our research and the Pilot has not disappointed. The ride is smooth, and comfortable. There is so much interior space, and the cargo area is larger than our Explorer. Best purchase ever.
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$60,537
MSRP $74,375
Est. $1,104/mo Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North Charleston
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- Ext. color
- Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.0L I6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- T10545
- VIN
- 1C6SRFJP3TN401389
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North CharlestonReviews
Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North Charleston review
As always, dropped her off and picked her up without issues. The staff at this location are always friendly and fun to be around. I?m sure my business will stay loyal as long as they stay loyal to the customer.
2026 RAM 1500 review
I use trucks plow , haul and tow... I've owned Ford's and GM trucks as well. While the Ford were good, I've experienced that the longer durability wasn't equal to MOPAR.. I was a GM person for many years and they definitely are not an option for me any longer. The GM's I've owned seemed lighter duty, failed more often than Ford and MOPAR. This is my third MOPAR truck. The past 2 have been very reliable, 300K 259k both still on the road . My new 26 Ram only has 2500 miles on this new truck so I'm reluctant to give it an overall rate of 5 , things Ive experienced thus far.. Performance: The std in line 6 has plenty of punch to it. Milage : Around town I'm getting 21.5 recently took it on a 380 trip ,26.9 MPG although RAM still has issue with its on board MPG calculator it stated 27.9 an error of ~ 4.7% which some may think is picky , I say come on fix it! GM and Ford have it dialed in . Fix it MOPAR. Interiors is well thought out super quiet , seats are very comfortable so traveling long distances is a great experience. I still dislike that one cant order a 8 foot box on a 1500. We will see how this $78K holds up in terms of durability.. Value wise I'm totally unhappy with all brands 78K is just out of line. But then again , lots of folks buy trucks and use them for cars so when demand goes up so do prices. Value wise they out of sync with the customer
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$52,962
MSRP $58,555
Est. $966/mo Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North Charleston
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- Ext. color
- 41
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-22
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- DT10764
- VIN
- 1C4PJXEG5TW277495
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Stability Control
Dealer
Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North CharlestonReviews
Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North Charleston review
After visiting two other dealerships during my car search, dealing with Silmi Moknijia was so refreshing. She greeted us warmly, listened intentionally and brought me the exact car that I was looking for. Definitely no high pressure tactics and made the numbers work almost immediately. I would highly recommend her to anyone!
2026 Jeep Wrangler review
Bought a new Willys model 2 door. Got nearly 10k off at Brandon Tomes in McKinney. Best Jeep I’ve had so far, and I’ve owned quite a few, dating back to the eighties. Mine has the 2.0 turbo and the 8 speed automatic, and it is surprisingly quick. A bit of turbo lag, but it comes in early at about 3k rpm, and the torque is fantastic. Seems like a lotta folks still want the inline six, but after owning two, those engines are dogs. Also had two V6 models, a JK and JT, and this engine outperforms both. With proper maintenance, should last a good while, but we’ll see. The 8 speed has a great reputation, as does the Rubicon spec suspension. Overall, happy with this Jeep, would recommend.
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$53,872
MSRP $51,910
Est. $983/mo Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North Charleston
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- Ext. color
- Red
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 5.7L
- Stock #
- V10016
- VIN
- 1C4SDJCT1VC552136
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North CharlestonReviews
Rick Hendrick Jeep Chrysler Dodge RAM North Charleston review
We came in not thinking that we wasn’t going to drive off with a car BUT WE DID!!! With No MONEY DOWN BABY!! We thank Silmi and her team for making it work for us!!
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