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Used Subaru Forester for Sale in Holland, MI

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$10,885 140,887 mi.

2014 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium

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Definitely Check out Harlold Zeigler in Grandville
by Ryan from Grand Rapids, MI
November 6, 2018
5 5 5 5 5 4.7 (214 reviews)
This dealership was GREAT to work with. I would encourage everyone to stop here before making a decision somewhere else. I almost made a deal at another dealership and would have regretted that! Rich at Zeigler was able to get me a better deal on the 2013 car I was searching for than ANY of the dealerships on 28th street. It was cheaper PLUS it only had 16000 miles compared to 45000 at the other dealership!! I knew Rich was able to get me the best deal and we were able to come to a no pressure agreement. I had bought the car two months ago and am absolutely loving it. I would have gotten rid of my 2000 ford escort and made this move a year ago if I knew the process was going to be so easy and affordable. Thanks again Rich and everyone at Harold Zeigler!
2014 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium Review
The car of the PNW for a reason
by PNW Subie Fanatic from Portland, OR
May 6, 2019
5
Solid and reliable car. You can take this car anywhere, whether up to the mountains or off the beaten path. Its comfortable and named CCR small SUV champion. It succeeds by focusing on the fundamentals with a space-efficient design, large windows, and big square doors. The result is the easiest access and the best view out of almost any vehicle tested. It also has one of the roomiest rear seats with copious amounts of head and leg room. It adapts various fuel-efficient technologies, including replacing the antiquated four-speed automatic transmission with a new continuously variable transmission (CVT), the Forester delivers quicker acceleration, as well as a class-leading 26 mpg overall and 35 mpg on the highway in our tests making it a solid adventure SUV or commuter.
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$19,200 63,597 mi.

2018 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium

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Excellent follow up by sales.
by Dennis from Fremont, WI
December 3, 2018
5 5 5 5 5 4.2 (30 reviews)
Jennifer Fuentes was the only sales rep that followed up from any dealership that I contacted. Price was way too high for the car advertised, so I did not buy it. However, she is the type of sales person that every dealer should have on staff.
2018 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium Review
Forester fell short in the cargo area
by CavalierMom from Aiken,SC
March 31, 2019
3
I loved the look of the Forester. I also liked the way it drove. I had to not get the Forester because when you fold down the back seats there is about a six inch hump . This as going to cause problems hauling items. There was also a good bit of space between the front seat and the folded down seats even if you moved the front seats all the way back.
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$8,995 128,313 mi.

2010 Subaru Forester 2.5X Premium

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Highly recommended
by karen from Traverse City, MI
December 3, 2018
5 5 5 5 5 4.6 (14 reviews)
After several disappointing and shady experiences with car dealerships up north, I decided to expand my search. Paris motors had the perfect jeep for me. Micheal is truly a gem. I met Al and the owner as well. All of them are really nice guys who treat you like they would treat their sister or their mother. If you are tired of the stereotypical used car salesman tactics, this is the place to buy from. They are honest, warm, and welcoming. Definitely worth the drive. Thanks so much guys. I love my new jeep!!
2010 Subaru Forester 2.5X Premium Review
Great car to own
by Jamie from Boise idaho
February 22, 2019
4
This car is exactly what i was looking for. Despite the higher mileage, i am certain this car will last me the time that i need it to
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$26,010 30,117 mi.

2018 Subaru Forester 2.5i Touring

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2018 Subaru Forester 2.5i Touring Review
My 2nd Subaru Forester
by Dave in Mansfield from Mansfield, TXD
May 16, 2019
5
My 1st Forester is a 2009 turbocharged model which is still going strong with 110,000 miles. The newer Foresters offer safety and convenience features mine doesn't have so I decided to upgrade. The 2019 Forester no longer offers the turbocharged version so I opted for a certified pre-owned 2018 XT Touring which has a turbocharger. I love the vehicle but because the turbo is no longer available, the used turbo versions have become quite pricey. I am keeping the old one for hauling dogs, lawn equipment and towing my utility trailer. The new one will be just for people for now. The vehicle is just the right size. I am 6'4" and would appreciate a little more leg room and thigh support but the Forester is as comfortable as any other small SUV I checked. There is plenty of headroom. The turbo does require premium fuel and has a lower mileage rating. With the turbo and sports tuned suspension, it is a fun vehicle to drive and worth the money to me. In over 10 years, the older one left me stranded only once when a drive belt broke after 100,000 miles. Based on reviews, I expect the same reliability from the newer one.
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$19,030 29,326 mi.

2017 Subaru Forester 2.5i

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2017 Subaru Forester 2.5i Review
Subaru is the new Volvo!
by aaallrighty from Cape May NJ
May 3, 2019
5
Have owned 2 Volvos and the company lost it's spark. Subaru has that spot in my heart now. From the 5 star crash rating (except front passenger seat is 4 star) to great reliability records and good tech stuff I am thrilled.
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$21,820 34,767 mi.

2018 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium

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2018 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium Review
Steer clear of Bloomington Subaru
by AimeeJ from Minneapolis MN
May 8, 2019
4
Great car, but battery died after 6 months and Bloomington Subaru didn't make it easy to get it replaced. This is a known issue with Foresters.
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$26,340 8,508 mi.

2017 Subaru Forester Touring

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2017 Subaru Forester Touring Review
All Around Quality
by FeliciaG. from Brooklyn NY
April 7, 2019
5
This car is reliable, sturdy, comfortable and has many safety features. It still looks and drives like new after 2 years . Low maintenance and great gas mileage !
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$20,260 35,046 mi.

2017 Subaru Forester Premium

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2017 Subaru Forester Premium Review
Feel that this is a very safe and comfortable car
by CAL from Alameda, CA
March 19, 2019
5
I like the comfort and the visibility of this car. All who have ridden in it feel that it’s comfortable too. Love the eyesight package which gives warnings regarding blind spots and so forth. Find it very easy to parallel park. My only complaint is that the audio controls aren’t intuitive to use, at least for me.
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$20,190 34,929 mi.

2017 Subaru Forester Premium

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2017 Subaru Forester Premium Review
3rd Time Subaru Buyer
by AdinaT from Stuart, FL
February 22, 2019
5
Just bought a new to me Forester and I couldn't be happier. Subaru hasn't let me down yet...this is my 3rd one and I can't imagine driving anything else. It's safe, reliable and sporty!
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$22,320 32,896 mi.

2018 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium

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2018 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium Review
A terrific combination
by amsquare from Windermere, FL
April 18, 2019
5
This car is perfect for me. It combines comfort, reliability, styling and exceptional performance on all types of roads. I have the Touring turbo model which is very quick off the line and hustles down the road easily when prodded. Combine all of that with the practicality of an SUV and you can understand why I am in love with it. I prefer to drive it over my other car (which I also love), a 3 series BMW, because it is as quick but much more versatile.
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$19,980 33,520 mi.

2017 Subaru Forester Limited

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2017 Subaru Forester Limited Review
Forester XT Touring or WRX on the down-low?
by Slagpit from Philadelphia, PA
February 6, 2019
5
Wanting something all wheel drive naturally leads you to Subaru. If you're looking for something with some off road capabilities but also a steady commuter with some room to spare, the Forester is the sweet spot. The 2019 generation Foresters are great, but they lack the punch of the older turbo options. With the same 250+ HP, 258 lb-ft torque engine in the WRX, the 2.0 L turbo shaves off over 2 seconds from the 0-60 time of the standard 2.5i engine. And it's noticeable. It gets knocked for being paired to CVT but I find it to be smooth and has great throttle response in Sport mode. Off road and in snow it does really well and lives up to the hype. A lot of reviews don't consider the Forester to be that stylish on the exterior, but I think that's ultimately a matter of preference. I find the exterior to be simple but muscular with the XT having a meaner front end. Inside there are some good upgrades which finally make the Forester feel a bit more luxury including leather seats and accents, a quieter interior and a decent sound system. The Harmon/Kardon sound system still leaves a lot to be desired, however. It's very bass heavy without a lot of refinement. Overall the Forester XT with Touring trim offers some nice amenities with still staying true to the rugged nature Subaru is known for. Pros: fun to drive (3 driving modes, paddle shifters), great visibility, great off road capabilities, roomy back seat and trunk, giant sunroof Cons: lower gas mileage, premium fuel recommended, lack of interior refinement, weak infotainment system
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$19,480 44,254 mi.

2017 Subaru Forester Premium

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Safest car on the road
February 3, 2019
5
Can’t beat the great safety features for long commutes or long trips! This is a great family car or a first car for teenage drivers.
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$5,900 $1,100 price drop! 126,750 mi.

2004 Subaru Forester 2.5X

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Personalized, Authentic, Honest Sales Experience.
by raj-83 from DealerRater.com
December 3, 2018
5 5 5 5 5 4.8 (2260 reviews)
Wow! Never been so impressed with a dealership & my praise doesn't come easily. I come in the door skeptical & knowing the salesperson is trying to make a sale, but probably doesn't have my best interest at heart. I'm a single mother & expect the salesperson to take advantage of that...but Roy didn't. This is the 2nd newer used car I've bought. I took my time on this one & visited MANY dealerships. I was very open about that & Roy never seemed judgemental or too pushy about buying with him or his dealership. He let me look (uninterrupted), but was there when I had questions. I visited his dealership WHILE TEST DRIVING a vehicle from a different dealership. No problem! He not only allowed me, but offered to me & recommended I test drive several vehicles! By several....at least 3-5 with his dealership alone plus 5 more at other dealerships as I was struggling with staying in a crossover/SUV versus downsizing to small car. Everything was at MY convenience... squeezing in my visits, shopping, texts, questions, etc... between working full time, running kids from school to football to basketball & more. He was never too pushy when I didn't return a call or text for too long. He realized I have a busy life. When I had 15 minutes to return a car I was test driving....He quickly got the keys and let me leave without trying to keep me there and take more time. He gave me options that were in my budget. Never pushed further. Although, I was looking for newer used, he provided the pros & cons leasing & buying new. NEVER PUSHED. JUST INFORMATIVE. He was honest about pricing & what he may be able to do & absolutely could not do. When we agreed to a purchase price via text that he had discussed with his boss...We set up a time for me to come in to sign paperwork. Upon arrival there was some discrepancy, which made me reluctant to do anything & immediately I assumed the normal car dealership garbage & fakeness was finally coming to the surface.....however Roy went to bat for the agreement & the dealership was not only willing, but eager to honor the agreement, especially considering I had taken time out of my schedule for the purpose of buying a car THAT DAY. Definitely increased my confidence in them. Roy did many special things along the way. Very kind. Soft spoken. Honest. The dealership staff was also was very friendly & helpful. Massage chairs! Many snacks & drinks they offered my kids when I drug them along every single visit after school or sports and they were hungry. They have a pastor that routinely visits the staff! How awesome is that! Roy spoke so highly of the owner & how the company does right by customers & employees! I am impressed & would return to this dealership in a minute. Through my dealings with other dealerships, things seemed sketchy, pushy, reluctant to be patient with my decisions or wanting to wait for something different.... I FELT NONE OF THAT HERE. Matter a fact ...I returned to shop over the course of 2-3 months b4 finally deciding to buy... at least 5 other dealerships visited. Finally bought with them! I've had the car about 4 months now & no regrets.
2004 Subaru Forester 2.5X Review
This is by far the best car I've ever owned.
by Mike from Durham, NH
March 19, 2019
5
This Forester has stuck with me through thick and thin, has been reliable and extremely useful transportation both for commuting and for vacation trips. It’s been well maintained on a regular basis and has a new oil change and a new battery. My mechanic says it’s in good shape and he’s sure it will pass inspection as-is. The car is extremely clean and has had a thorough professional detailing. Snow tires with wheels included. Roof rack for kayaks can also be included. Foresters regularly last many more miles. Subaru's description of its specifications: This XS model includes automatic climate control, heated seats, a 6-CD player, leather-wrapped steering wheel, and 16” aluminum wheels, as well as the standard foglights, hill hold feature, folding mirrors, roof rack, intermittent front and rear wipers, cruise control, and keyless entry. Safety: The AWD Forester is praised for its performance in bad weather and road conditions. It earns 5 stars from the NHTSA in front and side crash tests, owing to dual front and side-impact air bags, ABS brakes, 16-inch tires, and active head restraints.
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$20,500 35,965 mi.

2017 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium

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Halubs replace a Subaru
by kmhalub from DealerRater.com
December 3, 2018
5 5 5 5 5 4.8 (2260 reviews)
On October 11th, I totaled the 2010 faithful Subaru Forester we had driven over 220,000 miles. We had planned to "take it to the Moon" and reach 238,000 miles! I unfortunately hit a 200# 6pt buck head-on at 75mph. I escaped without a scratch. Unbelieveable. Within 24 hours we bought another Subaru! Rob Gould was fabulous making that happen smoothly, cheerfully and promptly. John Gongalski was great getting our immediate financing accomplished. Both stayed well after business hours to do this! You guys were the BEST! Thank you for being there for us when we needed you most to get us back to normal! Please post the photo of the 2010 after the accident we gave you with the caption "He lived!" Thank you Rob, John and Subaru engineers! You have an amazing product! We are greatful. Halubs
2017 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium Review
Great all around suv
by jrgrey from Liberty, PA
April 11, 2019
5
Excellent vision in all directions from the Forester. We like the no non-sense styling of the Touring 2.5i. Easy to get into and out of which matters if getting a few years on you. Very good gas mileage and handling with excellent performance. The AWD is certainly one of many key selling points. Fit and finish is excellent with very good reliability so far. We think it is a excellent SUV and would definitely purchase another Subaru SUV if needed.
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$22,000 31,814 mi.

2017 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium

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My new 2019 Subaru Forester!
by JAL24 from DealerRater.com
December 3, 2018
5 5 5 5 5 4.8 (2260 reviews)
Sales person ???Katie??? and her assistant were very professional, accommodating, very low pressure and great to do business with! Best experience we???ve had purchasing a new vehicle...EVER! We held off buying a new vehicle for quite a while because in the past we dreaded the whole car buying process. Dealing with My Auto Import Center in Muskegon was stress free and well worth the drive! Thanks to all and we will be back! 👍🏼
2017 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium Review
Only own it for two days. But so far I love it.
by P.K. from Nineveh,N.Y.
February 7, 2019
5
It has all the imenities I was looking for. Plus many more. It has a lot of leg room. Storage by the spare tire. I love the way the suv looks.
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$20,500 35,031 mi.

2018 Subaru Forester 2.5i

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Amazing loyalty to loyal customers!
by JULIEPHILLIPS511 from DealerRater.com
December 3, 2018
5 5 5 5 5 4.8 (2260 reviews)
Read to the end: I ran into a dead end in trying to work out a solution to a problem with Subaru. Through my purchases and recommendations to friends and family, Subaru has experienced over $300,000 in sales, but it made no difference to them - in fact, the person I spoke to at Subaru customer service was downright rude. I contacted Mark Leutzinger at My Auto Import as I've dealt with him before a found him to be very reliable. I explained my disappointment with Subaru (NOT My Auto Import) and he took it to the next level with his Subaru regional rep. End result? They not only met, but exceeded my expectations! My Auto Import, I will be back for future service and purchases because of Mark! He deserves a raise :-)
2018 Subaru Forester 2.5i Review
Best car for everyday driving in the PNW
by TAG from PNW from Eugene Or
April 22, 2019
5
The best example of why I love this car: passing all the stuck in the snow giant four wheel drive trucks in the parking lot at work to easily park and leave as well. Bravo Subaru
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$19,843 63,693 mi.

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Love my new Kia!
by stephanie8 from DealerRater.com
November 5, 2018
5 5 5 5 5 4.8 (2260 reviews)
I live in Chicago and hadn't owned a car in 7 years but Jack was able to help me navigate the process and it all went very smoothly. After test driving a few other models at other dealerships, my Kia showed up in an online search and my parents and I headed over to check it out. A quick test drive and a few questions later and I decided it was THE ONE for me, From there, Jack and I were able to knock out all the paperwork and the payment in no time flat. I had a budget that I assume was lower than most of their customers (I don't think they usually deal Kias, I am guessing it was a trade in?) and I appreciated that Jack still took his time with me. Jack was friendly and handled my dad's cheesy jokes with class. :) They had the car cleaned and gassed up before I left and I was on my way! Two things to note-- (1) They tried to push their financing a bit too hard. I had already arranged for a loan with my credit union (I had a check with me) and I knew they would never beat my % but I agreed to let them try because they were so insistent. I ended up getting turned down by every bank they inquired with (and therefore received multiple letters in the mail after all of this) because I was an out of state resident so I wish they had just acknowledged that and let it go from the start. (2) My dad followed me home and we discovered that my right taillight was out. :( I had to make a trip to Auto Zone the very next day after buying the car and even though it was something minor, it was still an inconvenience and something I wish they had caught during the inspection they claimed to do on the car. Overall neither of those things would stop me from buying a car there again but I think they're worth mentioning.
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Suabru can't go wrong
by Jitendra from Monmouth Junction
January 12, 2019
5
Excellent car for safety and performance. A repeat buyer. Subaru has added latest safety features like Blind Spot Monitor, RAB, Land Departure warning and Excelent Sound System.
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$17,257 83,583 mi.

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Good All-Purpose Car
by Alex from Brooklyn, NY
January 29, 2019
4
Full disclosure: My girlfriend owns it, but I drive it a lot. I find the 2017 Forester to be a pretty decent small SUV. I find it comfortable and fairly well-designed. I'm not a huge fan of CVTs but find it has enough pep when I need it. The dash is fairly well-organized and all critical controls are knobs and buttons rather than buried in the touch screen like some cars. A few things could be slightly better organized but these are minor details. The Subaru infotainment system is pretty lacking and the touch screen is buggy sometimes. They're behind the curve on this. But overall it's a decent car even if I'd like it more with a 6 speed manual.
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$17,593 67,461 mi.

2017 Subaru Forester 2.5i

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Nick is a good guy and trustworthy
by CMWILDFONG from DealerRater.com
December 3, 2018
5 5 5 5 5 4.8 (168 reviews)
Found my 2016 Escalade at this dealership online. Priced below kbb value. Not a place you would really think of going, but give it a chance. Nice cars on the lot. Ask for Nick!
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Great car!
by Mark from Toano
May 12, 2019
5
This is a great vehicle and we're so glad that we purchased one. We've had a couple of minor things go wrong that should not have such as the drivers side visor starting to squeak loudly. All said we are very happy with this car. On the down side there is now standard technology out there that is not available. Automatic wipers are missing and items like remote start and subaru's safety and security package are extra when Honda includes them both free. But my biggest issue is not the car it's that there is no convenient dealersl or service anywhere near me. The nearest service is 45 minutes away. The next car will have to be available locally.
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$25,991 35,512 mi.

2019 Subaru Forester Premium

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  • Ext. Color: White
  • Int. Color: Gray
  • Transmission: CVT
  • Drivetrain: AWD
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McFadden Friendly Motors
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(269) 605-0195
4.3 (54 reviews)
29 mi. from 49422
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McFadden Friendly Motors Review
Mcfaddens had what we wanted at the right price.
by Dale & cheryl midkiff from coloma Mi
November 6, 2018
5 5 5 5 5 4.3 (54 reviews)
At mfaddens friendly motors,our buying experience was great .Our sales person was the best i have ever dealt with, scott williams he was so nice and he new his stuff. A few days later my wife had service done on her car, but had no way back home. So scott on his day off offered to pick here up and take her back to get her car , now that is what i call full service ,for the customer . Thank you Mr .scott williams and Mcfaddens friendly motors.
2019 Subaru Forester Premium Review
leased 7 of them. never had a problem.
by John A from fIELDSBORO N.J.
May 12, 2019
5
I like this vehicle except for the engine shutting off when stopped. it does have an override switch, but if I forget to set it the engine will automatically shut off. that's the only thing I don't like about this car.
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