Used Honda hatchbacks for sale in Valmeyer, IL
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$28,197
Est. $517/mo Dave Mungenast St. Louis Honda
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Urban Gray Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 30-38
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- 260808L
- VIN
- 19XFL2H87TE009524
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Dave Mungenast St. Louis HondaReviews
Dave Mungenast St. Louis Honda review
Working with Trent and the staff at Dave Mungenast was easier than I had imagined. While looking at vehicles all day, we were exhausted and ready to give up. Finally, after visiting many car dealerships, we found one at Dave Mungenast. Thank you Trent and staff that stayed after hours to help us finalize our purchase.
2026 Honda Civic review
Test drove others cars similar size but this Honda civic was the only one that made us feel comfortable with everything and when I say everything means everything No more wondering
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$28,800
Est. $528/mo Dave Mungenast St. Louis Honda
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Meteorite Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 30-38
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- P22476
- VIN
- 19XFL2H87SE017282
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Dave Mungenast St. Louis HondaReviews
Dave Mungenast St. Louis Honda review
Great Dealership to work with. Very efficient car buying experience. Would do business with them again when the time comes.
2025 Honda Civic review
I traded in a 2017 Honda CR-V Touring because it was going to to cost more to fix the major issues (as a second owner I did not know the CR-V had that many things wrong). I put money down on the Civic Sport that I was going to use for the repairs. I do have to say it's a nice car and I hope it will last longer than I expect. That being said I didn't want to buy another Honda but I did go to a dealership that I trust more than anybody else. I will come back and further my review once I have 5,000 miles on it.
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$21,297
Est. $390/mo Dave Mungenast St. Louis Honda
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Aegean Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-35
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 1.5L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- 270035A
- VIN
- SHHFK7H90LU219187
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Dave Mungenast St. Louis HondaReviews
2020 Honda Civic review
Best year civic thus far....gas mpg, handling, features, and comfort. I've had prolly 10 civics in my lifetime and this is the best one yet.
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$50,403
Est. $924/mo FOX VALLEY VOLKSWAGEN CRYSTAL LAKE
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- Black/Red
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-28
- Fuel type
- Premium gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, VTEC variable valve control, inte
- Stock #
- PV10452
- VIN
- JHMFL5G48SX007665
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
FOX VALLEY VOLKSWAGEN CRYSTAL LAKEReviews
FOX VALLEY VOLKSWAGEN CRYSTAL LAKE review
Andrew Doyle at this dealership was amazing to work with. He was soft spoken, detailed yet concise. He was influential in making a deposit for a purchase. I had to pull out later for other reasons. But I give high regards to Andrew’s work.
2025 Honda Civic Type R review
Too much fun from a front wheel drive car! This thing has unbelievable power for a 4 cylinder and will have a copious amount of fun it in!!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sonic Gray Pearl
- Int. color
- Black/Red
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Manual
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, VTEC variable valve control, inte
- Stock #
- 202590
- VIN
- SHHFK8G79MU202590
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Exotic MotorsReviews
Exotic Motors review
Dennis Bedka is AMAZING. Got an amazing car with the best customer service.Had specific needs and they were met. Financing part, he explained things very well & answered all of our questions. Patient and very professional! Thank you Dennis!
2021 Honda Civic Type R review
One of the well-constructed cars I owned. I owned seven Honda/ Acura cars never one disappointment. The six speeds can run up to 7k RPM. This is a small rocket when needed in R-Mode. Comfort mode is great when it comes to mpg gas.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Meteorite Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 30-38
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- PB3527A
- VIN
- 19XFL2H52RE000566
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Bommarito Volkswagen HazelwoodReviews
Bommarito Volkswagen Hazelwood review
I’ve driven Volkswagens since 2002. My very recent leasing experience was seamless thanks to Jason K. The Bommarito team was informative, efficient, and pleasant to work with from start to finish. Thank you, Jason Kresko!
2024 Honda Civic review
Honda Civic EXL hatchback is a great car. I had a 2018 EXL coupe and was reluctant to have a four door. The 2024 is a quality made vehicle. I couldn't be any happier.
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$25,998
Est. $476/mo CarMax St. Louis Mid Rivers Mall
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- BLUE
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-37
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual 6
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 70213994
- VIN
- SHHFK7G46LU210936
Features
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Lane Departure Warning
Dealer
CarMax St. Louis Mid Rivers MallReviews
CarMax St. Louis Mid Rivers Mall review
I was looking at buying a 2014 Toyota Corolla and Willie was the 1st person I talked to at the dealership. There was absolutely no pressure from the start of the conversation to even buy the vehicle. Before we even talked about anything sales wise he recommended that I take a look at the car and test drive it before anything to make sure it was everything I wanted. Even during the test drive, we didn't talk about buying the car, it was just a normal conversion. After test driving the vehicle I needed to think about it and even then Willie never tried to keep me at the dealership to try and buy the car. He followed up with me a few days later to see how everything was going and even put the car on hold for me so no one else would take it/buy it. I ended up not buying the vehicle this time, after thinking about it for a few days. The customer service I received and the atmosphere that, i'd have to say Willie created, was Fantastic and would highly recommend asking for him if you are looking for a car. I couldn't be more satisfied with the service I received, and will be going back to him towards the end of the year to then purchase a vehicle.
2020 Honda Civic review
I really like my Honda Civic. It has been very reliable and in the 5 years I have had it there haven't been any major repairs or problems. Since I am short I have gotten a cushion to sit on since the model I got sits lower to the ground. The keyless entry and ignition has worked out very well for me.
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$27,559
Est. $505/mo Jack Schmitt Chevrolet Wood River
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Brown
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 30-38
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- 4 Cylinder
- Stock #
- P8377
- VIN
- 19XFL2H8XSE025618
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Jack Schmitt Chevrolet Wood RiverReviews
Jack Schmitt Chevrolet Wood River review
Great store. Good and honest people. Prices were fair. Internet department was awesome! I didn't buy this time, but I'll be back.
2025 Honda Civic review
The Honda civic is an amazing car! Honda is a reliable car that you can trust. I’m really happy with it. I’ll recommend it to anyone.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Urban Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 30-38
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, regular g
- Stock #
- X6056
- VIN
- 19XFL2H8XTE002258
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bommarito Honda SuperstoreReviews
Bommarito Honda Superstore review
This review is for Jimmy, one of the sales associates here. I spoke with him about my options for trading my vehicle. He was very knowledgeable and helpful. Now that I know my options, I’m looking forward to working with him in the future!
2026 Honda Civic review
Purchased the 2026 civic sport driven 150 miles. It does great in gas mileage. The options are pretty basic . Manual underseat adjuster for more or less foot room. The pump action for the seat to rise . The Apple CarPlay has to be hardwired using USB-C orherwise it’s Bluetooth connects wirelessly. Comfortable ride. Smooth .
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Purple
- Int. color
- Blk Lth-Trmmed
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 31-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, VTEC variable valve control, in
- Stock #
- H261365B
- VIN
- 19XFL1H79PE013582
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bommarito Honda SuperstoreReviews
Bommarito Honda Superstore review
I bought a pre owned Honda from Neil Smith. He is a wonderful salesman. He paid attention to detail and stayed within my budget and worked with me until we were able to come to an agreement. He answered all my questions and at the end of the deal I was completely satisfied with my purchase. He is a great asset to Bommarito Honda and if anyone is looking to buy a car please ask for Neil Smith you will not be disappointed!!!!
2023 Honda Civic review
Wonderful vehicle! I am very pleased with it! Handles well, shifts well. I love the new boost blue color. Would recommend this car to anyone who appreciates good cars.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sonic Gray Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-35
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, interco
- Stock #
- 205604-1
- VIN
- SHHFK7H48MU209125
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
St. Charles NissanReviews
St. Charles Nissan review
Fabulous experience from beginning to end. Ron Martin was welcoming and truly interested in helping me find the car I wanted. His friendly - no pressure approach made the car buying experience easy and fun.
2021 Honda Civic review
After buying Toyota vehicles for years, I found out that they were outsourcing their CVT’s and Honda was making their own CVT’s and after driving a new Toyota Corolla and then a new Honda Civic, I was more impressed with the Honda Civic. My three previous cars were Toyota Corolla’s and I loved them. I am very happy with my 2021 Honda Civic EX and I would not hesitate to recommend Honda.
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$33,319
Est. $611/mo Bommarito Volkswagen Hazelwood
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal Black Pearl
- Int. color
- Red / Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Manual
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- E1014
- VIN
- SHHFK8G77HU202237
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bommarito Volkswagen HazelwoodReviews
Bommarito Volkswagen Hazelwood review
I would like to thank Andre Branch for the excellent service I received during the purchase of my Atlas Cross Sport. This is my first SUV purchase and I love it. Thank you Andre for knowing exactly what I needed. I we continue to support him. Thanks, Vanessa Chambers Browley
2017 Honda Civic review
Perfect car to last a long time! Runs very well and is very comfortable. The maintenance is easy and the car is spacious! I love it!
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$32,944
New 2026 Honda Civic Hybrid Sport 
$29,689
New 2026 Honda Civic Sport 
$29,767
New 2026 Honda Civic Sport 
$30,452
New 2026 Honda Civic Sport 
$29,767
New 2026 Honda Civic Sport 
$35,467
New 2026 Honda Civic Hybrid Sport Touring 
$35,922
New 2026 Honda Civic Hybrid Sport Touring 
$35,944
New 2026 Honda Civic Hybrid Sport Touring 
$35,489
New 2026 Honda Civic Hybrid Sport Touring 
$32,011
New 2026 Honda Civic Hybrid Sport -
$22,605
Est. $414/mo Bommarito Honda Superstore
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 30-37
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, VTEC variable valve control, in
- Stock #
- H260920B
- VIN
- 19XFL1H89NE010980
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bommarito Honda SuperstoreReviews
Bommarito Honda Superstore review
I had such a great experience at Bommarito Honda! Neil Smith went above and beyond in helping me find the perfect car that not only fits my personality but also meets all my needs. He was patient, attentive, and really made sure I drove away with something I loved. On the financial side, Angie Murdaugh worked diligently to get me the best deal possible, making the entire process smooth and stress-free. I’m truly grateful for their hard work and dedication. I highly recommend both Neil and Angie if you’re looking for a car!
2022 Honda Civic review
Great car. Smooth and responsive drive. Nice safety and other features - especially love apple CarPlay. I would buy again in a heartbeat. Manual is poorly written. Suggest Honda puts videos explaining features and "how to" and/or FAQ clips on their website. Put link to videos in manual.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Boost Blue Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-37
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, i-VTEC variable valve control, re
- Stock #
- H270025A
- VIN
- 19XFL2H89RE018749
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bommarito Honda SuperstoreReviews
Bommarito Honda Superstore review
Rachel, the salesperson had set up an appointment to look at some ussd cars. She was professional and so very kind. Knowledgeable and she set up test drives for the 2 vehicles I was interested in. Rachel showed me all the options each car had to offer. After choosing the car I wanted, She then sent me to the finance department and waited there until the process was completed. Got my car ready and even helped me to connect my phone to the car
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal Black Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-37
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- A18212D
- VIN
- 19XFL2H8XNE005390
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Clement SupercenterReviews
Clement Supercenter review
Mark was great to work with, explained all the features and quirks that our car had. Would definitely recommend. Thanks Mark.
2022 Honda Civic review
I absolutely love mine in comfort I think that it could have been a little bit better but that's on long trips. Short trips the comfort is fine. My car was totaled and my airbags blew on my steering wheel and at my legs and I'm so glad that they did because I really would have gotten hurt without those airbags The seat belt also did its job very well and the brakes warning light came on first then the brakes came on the exact same time I was putting the brakes on a guy ran a stop sign and there really wasn't much I could do but hit him which it did total my car and I am now looking for another one of the exact same kind I want my car back I love my Honda Civic sport touring.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Boost Blue Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-37
- Fuel type
- Regular gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, i-VTEC variable valve control, re
- Stock #
- H261642A
- VIN
- 19XFL2H87RE002548
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bommarito Honda SuperstoreReviews
Bommarito Honda Superstore review
On August 12 _2023 ,I was at bommarito Honda to bay a car Cameron Martin was helpful . It's my fourth car from Honda and I love it thank you
2024 Honda Civic review
Heather was an amazing sales woman, I truly appreciate her hard work for making today happen! I purchased my first car by myself. I can’t wait to love my new Honda Civic
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Boost Blue Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-37
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- A18073D
- VIN
- 19XFL2H89PE006856
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Clement SupercenterReviews
Clement Supercenter review
Love this dealership! The new location is wonderful - I send my family here. My brother bought a car, and loves it!
2023 Honda Civic review
After changing jobs and having to drive 100 miles round trip, I decided to buy the 2023 Honda Civic, I think it was the best decision of my life, not only does it save me a lot of gas but it looks spectacular on the outside and not to mention The interior is simply perfect with a lot of space, like any criticism there are negative points such as the sound system which in my opinion lacks power to be able to listen to your favorite songs at full volume, another point that I would like to highlight is that it lacks entry to the car without having to use your remote control even my 2011 grand cherokee has it, in a general perspective it seems like a good car for price, safety and appearance, it has been my first honda and I think I will continue with the tradition of continuing to buy this model for a long time
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