Used SUVs for sale near Kenmore, NY
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Stellar Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- P12957
- VIN
- 1GYFZDR45SF158485
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Mike Barney Nissan -





Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Daytona Gray Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, intercool
- Stock #
- P13109A
- VIN
- WA1ECCFS7JR000463
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Mike Barney NissanReviews
2018 Audi Q3 review
a great car in all respects. Fun to drive. Consumer Reports recommends the 2016 and 2018 models for reliability. I highly recommend it. well built
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Canyon River Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GP3198
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H46RH433094
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2024 Honda CR-V review
Can't enjoy music or conversation while driving due to road and outside noise. I'm used to a Ford f150 that is very comfortable and quiet.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Urban Gray Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GR386
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H42TH491212
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2026 Honda CR-V review
My third CRV, and sixth Honda! Very nice ride! I’ve had it for 3 weeks and 800 mile. If it’s anything like my 2015, with 202000 miles, I look forward to the durability! Honda has never disappointed me!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Canyon River Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GP3179
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H75RH464489
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2024 Honda CR-V review
Purchased at Lease return, a 2019 with 20k miles, I am at 70k and its been consistent. Gas, Oil change, minor filters, wipers etc. getting average around town 32 MPG on long trips if i stay under or at 70 MPH it gets close to 40 MPG (Its not a hybrid)
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Urban Gray Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GP3197
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H76RH448799
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2024 Honda CR-V review
My 2024 Honda CR-V is everything I expected and more. It has great pickup, quick stopping ability, U-turn small radius like I've never seen, and good on gas mileage.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- 26G1264A
- VIN
- 2HKRW2H8XNH642733
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2022 Honda CR-V review
Have had Hondas in the past they are a very reliable car. They are worth the money and last for a long time. Trustworthy best describes my Honda.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Silver Sky Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 41-38
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Dynamic Force 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, VVT-i variab
- Stock #
- P13043
- VIN
- 4T3LWRFV5NU068882
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Mike Barney NissanReviews
2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid review
This is my 3rd RAV4 Hybrid XLE It's a well made vehicle. Reliable. Comfortable. Efficient. Quiet It has all the comfort features I consider necessary.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Solar Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GR388
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H4XTH492429
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2026 Honda CR-V review
Third Honda; second CR-V. I do of course think some things could be better like the speakers sounding a little better with more bass. The gas mileage isn't as great as my previous 2017 CR-V Touring or my previous 2025 Civic Sport but it was to be expected honestly. Usually you get better mileage as the car goes through the break-in period. I also think the infotainment could be a little better. Not sure if it was because the Civic had tighter steering but it feels loose in the CR-V. Honda plant where mine was built should have gone with a different tire brand because as soon as I can I am changing them; it has Hankook Kinergy GT
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Solar Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GR392
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H43TH492384
Dealer
Northtown Honda -


Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal Black Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GR384
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H48TH488380
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
Northtown Honda review
i met with kristian to help me find my first preowned car as a young adult. he was nothing but kind, helpful, and personable. he went out of his way to find the car for me, even bringing some over from other stores. the whole sales process was so easy because he explained everything. he took the time to look up the history of the cars i was looking at and even helped with research. as for northtown autos, they had a wide collection of preowned and new cars, so i was able to find the right fit for me. would recommend this dealership to anyone and will definitely come back again. thanks to kristian and the northtown autos team for everything!
2026 Honda CR-V review
It is a great ride and the features are amazing It was very affordable . The color is great also very roomy and stylish I would recommend it to anyone looking for a crv
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal Black Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- 27G227A
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H75TH468758
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2026 Honda CR-V review
We traded in our 2020 CR-V for a 2026. Drives like a dream. Very tight on turns. It seems roomier than our 2020. Our trade-in value for the 2020 was great.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Lunar Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GP3049
- VIN
- 7FARS4H41RE016727
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2024 Honda CR-V review
My CR-V EXL is outstanding overall. It was a little pricy but worth it so far. I have over 11,000 miles on it in a little over a year.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Stellar Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- P12957
- VIN
- 1GYFZDR45SF158485
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Mike Barney Nissan -


Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Meteorite Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GR385
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H44TH490899
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2026 Honda CR-V review
Traded in a 2023 for this brand new 2026, my third CR-V, this one drives like a dream and great on gas. After many white one I chose the metallic dark blue, stunning.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Lunar Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- 27G163A
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H29RH434996
Dealer
Northtown Honda -


Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GP3134
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H43RH438754
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2024 Honda CR-V review
This is my 3rd CR-V EX-L. It gets more comfortable with each iteration. Performance is outstanding. Fast acceleration. Nice sound for gas-powered vehicle aficionados. The blue color I have is the most beautiful color ever produced by Honda. Fuel efficiency is as advertised. I won’t buy an EV until charging stations are everywhere and charging speed is improved.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Pure White
- Int. color
- Titan Black V-Tex
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Stock #
- 4320
- VIN
- 1V2BR2CA1MC548641
Dealer
Volkswagen of Orchard ParkReviews
Volkswagen of Orchard Park review
Traded in my gas leaking cavalier for an awesome used Avenger and I love it! Kim really helped me out with my first ever vehicle loan, even though my insurance is through the roof cuz of my age :( but Robert hooked me up with lots of test drives and service fixed a minor issue right away after I bought it. I only wish there was a used Golf or GTI when I was there!
2021 Volkswagen Atlas review
Overall I'm satisfying with the car I have no issue till now the car is running 55,000 mile over, still I don't have any major problem. The space is huge inside that car that is more satisfying even if you sit in the third row and adult person can sit comfortably.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Kings Red
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed DSGA? Automatic w/ 4MO
- Engine
- 1.5L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- L270452
- VIN
- 3VVUX7B22RM025160
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Paddock ChevroletReviews
Paddock Chevrolet review
Excellent experience leasing a new 2026 Chevy Tahoe. They worked diligently to find the vehicle I wanted and were wonderful throughout the process. Great customer service
2024 Volkswagen Taos review
I love my Taos. I drove a 2008 Santa Fe for 16 yrs. I never thought to find another love. but this is it. NEW Santa Fe is awful.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, VVT variable valve control, int
- Stock #
- 26M932A
- VIN
- 3GKALYEVXNL290549
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Mike Barney NissanReviews
2022 GMC Terrain review
Absolutely LOVE this car is one of my favorites by far. Midsize SUV with all the features of a full size luxury vehicle. Can’t beat the heated seats, power lift gate, and the amazing panoramic sunroof they added on these models. Will continue to buy this model for years to come highly recommend an affordable and practical vehicle!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Transmission
- 9 Speed Automatic
- Stock #
- GP3176
- VIN
- 5FNYF8H52PB037479
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2023 Honda Passport review
Made in Lincoln, Alabama, this car may be Japanese in name, but built in the USA. Craftsmanship, fit and finishing are excellent. Car arrived in perfect condition. Just an amazing value, nice being in a full-size vehicle that runs on regular. The V6 is quiet and has lots of pep. Lots of room for passengers and all your stuff. Amazing vehicle, that gets the job done.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GR377
- VIN
- 3CZRZ2H32VM700415
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2027 Honda HR-V review
I went from a 2017 Honda HR V with 113,000 miles to a 2027 Honda HR V with 7 miles and I love it! I hated to say good bye to my 2017, but when they offered me $7,000.00 on a trade in, I decided I had gotten my money's worth out of my first one and it was time to upgrade. I went with a black exterior and a black leather interior so that I could have the sun roof. Nothing better than turning on the heated seats and opening the sun roof on a sunny 40 degree day in January. This model is a bit bigger and I appreciate the extra size. I loved my 2017 and I really love my 2027!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Lunar Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GP3169
- VIN
- 7FARS6H58RE031634
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2024 Honda CR-V Hybrid review
Good handling car in all weather. Blind spots in back causes me to pay extra attention to people coming up on my sides. Great mileage if you avoid excessive speed. Quite riding vehicle.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal Black Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- 26G1224A
- VIN
- 5J6RS6H88TL010464
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2026 Honda CR-V Hybrid review
Granted, I've driven less than 400 miles and I love it. The safety features, moonroof, A/C, audio system, appearance, headlights, all scream, "this is nice"! I don't regret purchasing this.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Transmission
- 9 Speed Automatic
- Stock #
- GP3112
- VIN
- 5FNYF8H58PB040886
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
Northtown Honda review
It's a big deal when you help your daughter pick out her first car. I was glad I found the folks at Northtown Auto when we wanted to find a pre-owned vehicle. They had a great selection, and it is obvious they only sell quality cars. I wanted something safe and reliable for my daughter to drive back and forth to our house 3 hours away. Kristian was our salesperson and did a great job of listening to our needs and wants and finding cars that matched our desires. His >20 years of working in the business shone through, as he navigated their system to get us three different cars to test drive (even gong to get one at a different location). He even helped do some of the research on the cars histories so we could make an informed decision. The cars were very clean and detailed, and I know we will be happy with the car for years to come. With two other younger drivers in the pipeline, I know I will be returning to Northtown Autos to look for other cars in the future. These guys are great to work with to find the right car for anyone
2023 Honda Passport review
Had problems w/ battery draining at 17 months 22,000 miles. Then at 19 months 25000 miles, the audio unit needed replaced. While mine was In the shop, my service consultant had the same problem. Tow truck service told me they've had numerous calls on Passpotrs w/ dead batteries being dead more than once on the same vehicle. Hopefully we've got it fixed.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Baltic Gray Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Global Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- P12901A
- VIN
- 1C4RJKBG4N8519958
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Mike Barney NissanReviews
2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee L review
Reliable and very spacious. My kids love it. Found my fav color and everything I wanted inside at great price. Will purchase another in the future
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal Black Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GR382
- VIN
- 3CZRZ2H31VM700020
Dealer
Northtown Honda -


Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Modern Steel Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GP3150
- VIN
- 3CZRZ2H36RM744004
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2024 Honda HR-V review
I have owned my HR-V for about a month. Did have to tint my windows was no big deal. I think it had great power has alot on get up and go. Just the right size for me. Still learning what all the buttons do. Overall I am very pleased. First Honda owned.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal Black Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Transmission
- 10 Speed Automatic
- Stock #
- GR387
- VIN
- 5FNYG1H42TB045944
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2026 Honda Pilot review
We purchased this vehicle on the recommendation of our trusted mechanic. We did our research and the Pilot has not disappointed. The ride is smooth, and comfortable. There is so much interior space, and the cargo area is larger than our Explorer. Best purchase ever.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Gray
- Transmission
- Continuously Variable Transmission
- Stock #
- GR371
- VIN
- 3CZRZ2H35TM748648
Dealer
Northtown HondaReviews
2026 Honda HR-V review
Great performance. Surprising excelleration. Tight cornering, good pickup speed, smooth handling, comfortable seating, great visibility. Brought new for $32k. Selling now since adding family. Good buy!
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$35,998
Est. $667/mo CarMax Grand Rapids (Kentwood)
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- 70261951
- VIN
- 7SAYGDEFXNF544634
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
CarMax Grand Rapids (Kentwood)Reviews
CarMax Grand Rapids (Kentwood) review
The 24 test drive experience was good. The person who helped us (Spencer I think) was very helpful. Non pushy sales made it easy to talk to everyone I met with Ultimately, the car smelled like cigarette smoke deeply and wasn’t for us. I do wish that would have been mentioned to us before driving
2022 Tesla Model Y review
The is the FUTURE of automobile transportation! Absolutely FABULOUS car! No more gasoline, no more scheduled maintenance. If you hit the accelerator hard, you'd better have your head against the headrest or you may be injured. Zero to 60 mph in 3.5 seconds for my 2022 Model Y Performance. Fast charging Tesla Superchargers are always available across the country making long, cross country road trips a pleasure. At home I can charge 300 miles of range over night for $8 of electricity. Yes $8! Super Chargers cost more, but the speed and convenience is well worth the costs on road trips and it's still a fraction of the price of gasoline. I honestly look forward to getting into this car and driving it. I've owned a Mustang, BMW M3 and 5 Series, a Porche, Jaguar, Mercedes SL550, and many more cars. None were as fun to drive as the Tesla Model Y Performance. This is the future of automobile transportation and getting better every day.
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$78,262
Est. $1,451/mo Guaranteed Motor Cars Lake Villa
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-19
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 4.0L V8 32V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- LV885
- VIN
- 4JGFB8KB7RB116035
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Guaranteed Motor Cars Lake VillaReviews
Guaranteed Motor Cars Lake Villa review
I would highly recommend this dealership! I worked with Vlad who was extremely professional and made the entire experience comfortable and easy. This kid knows his cars… The paperwork process was very quick also, I was in and out in less than two hours which was helpful being I had a 4 hour drive home. All their vehicles I looked at well waiting were incredibly clean! Josh the owner was a really nice guy too and Adam will make sure that you get the vehicle you want by getting you approved. If you’re in the market to buy this is the place to do it.