Used coupes for sale near Black Hammock, FL
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- Ext. color
- White Knuckle Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 14-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 6.4L V8 16V MPFI OHV
- Stock #
- KJH127932
- VIN
- 2C3CDZFJ3JH127932
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Don Mealey ChevroletReviews
Don Mealey Chevrolet review
I bought my car on 8/16/2025 and had the pleasure of working with Mathew Andrade. He’s an excellent salesman—very professional, kind, and easy to work with. I recommend asking for him if you’re looking to purchase a car. On the finance side, I had to switch the car from my business name to my personal name, and both the sales manager and finance department made the process smooth. Even when I pushed hard on my interest rate and monthly payment, they stayed patient, professional, and willing to work with me. Great overall experience!
2018 Dodge Challenger review
The Challenger is a car that stands out from the others with its sleek and sexy eye appealing curves and performance. The Challenger has the appeal of a modern day muscle car with the power and performance to back it up. With modern conveniences like Air conditioning, heated and cooled seats and much more. The seats in the challenger will suck you into them and hold you securely while you are operating the car. Wether it be taking a nice Sunday stroll or flooring it around a corner drifting, the seats will hold you securely and snugly. The Challenger has a huge trunk space for additional groceries or clothing for trips or the grocery store. The back seat is big and can lay down flat. For an adult they back seat will be cramped. A car seat will fit back there and works well. There are multiple models of challenger out there. From the SXT, GT, RT, TA, Scat Packs, Red eye, xxxx cat and demon. The challenger turns heads no matter where you go or what model you choose. The performance you will get out of your car will leave a smile on your face every time you drive it. It will also leave you wanting to drive all the time. When you first step on the gas and the challenger responds. Pushing you back into your seat a little giving you the feeling of the power it holds. If that doesn’t make you smile you are in the wrong vehicle. If you want the best modern Muscle car look no further the Challenger is it. Since the 60’s and 70’s the challenger hasn’t changed much unlike the Mustang and Camaro. If you want a Modern day Muscle Car you cannot pass up looking at the Dodge Challenger.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Pitch Black Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 14-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual
- Engine
- HEMI 6.4L V-8 premium unleaded, engine with cylinder deactivatio
- Stock #
- VM564131
- VIN
- 2C3CDZFJ0MH564131
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Sport Subaru SouthReviews
Sport Subaru South review
The staff was very friendly and helpful. Joe Andrade did an outstanding job helping us find a car and keeping up with everything needed.
2021 Dodge Challenger review
Solid car overall. The 392 delivers strong performance and the Harman Kardon sound system is excellent. Only issue I ran into was the water pump, which is a known/common problem on these engines. Aside from that, no major complaints. A muffler delete really wakes the car up — highly recommended if you want better sound.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- E49932
- VIN
- WBA4W5C5XKAE49932
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Direct AutoReviews
Direct Auto review
I went there looking for a car not knowing what I actually wanted but Jay walked me through the process and helped me find the right fit. The service was awesome.
2019 BMW 430 review
Great sporty car. Lots of good interior features. It’s a 2 door, which I prefer. Car has lots of cameras and safety features. Interior is beautiful and comfy. Good trunk space. Had X3 traded out for this. I owned four doors and one other two door. Really like the two door!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Solar Orange 3-Coat Pearl
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- VQ 3.5L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, premium unleaded, engi
- Stock #
- 550434
- VIN
- JN1BZ34E37M550434
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Direct AutoReviews
Direct Auto review
Great service. Happy with my purchase! I didn’t feel pressured as other dealers I’ve visited. Will return for my second purchase.
2007 Nissan 350Z review
I would recommend 2007/ 2009 H.R VQ reliability, style, It is amazing to think that this vehicle out performed BMW, Porsche of the time. Great to find aftermarket parts, easy to repair. I love it my first sports car no regrets i would bye it again in a heart beat great starter car of anyone
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sunset Orange Metallic
- Int. color
- Black w/Contrast Stitching
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-SPEED SPORT AUTOMATIC
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- L7E47651
- VIN
- WBA2J1C01L7E47651
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- DVD Player
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Driver's Mart SanfordReviews
Driver's Mart Sanford review
Nick was very helpful and informative during my car search. He made extra effort to make sure I was getting what I was looking for.
2020 BMW 230 review
This car has a smooth and clean ride, we were looking for a sporty little car to drive and came across this vehicle. We are very happy it came across our internet search.
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$12,632
Est. $218/mo OFFLease Orlando
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Auto, 7-Spd 7G-Tronic +
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- STK401135
- VIN
- WDDWJ4JB3HF401135
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
OFFLease OrlandoReviews
OFFLease Orlando review
Salma was amazing helping us buy our first EV. She was very knowledgeable, patient and kind!
2017 Mercedes-Benz C-Class review
While getting groceries out of my car, My trunk came down on my head (C-300, 2017). Sometimes trunk opens after I lock the car. This is dangerous. What is the problem?
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sonic Gray Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-36
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- H302819
- VIN
- 2HGFC4B89LH302819
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
HGreg.com OrlandoReviews
HGreg.com Orlando review
Good experience, price was high and didnt want the extra protection but It was overall ok. Sean was our sales guy
2020 Honda Civic review
I really like my Honda Civic. It has been very reliable and in the 5 years I have had it there haven't been any major repairs or problems. Since I am short I have gotten a cushion to sit on since the model I got sits lower to the ground. The keyless entry and ignition has worked out very well for me.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 31-40
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- BT354842A
- VIN
- 2HGFC3B34KH354842
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Sport Subaru SouthReviews
Sport Subaru South review
I went there woth my wife and Gaby took care of us. She take care of us, she was very good and knowledgeable.
2019 Honda Civic review
We leased a 2019 civic hatchback ex and loved it so much we bought out the lease three years later. The best feature that’s unique to these cars is the Lane Watch Blind Spot camera (available on the EX, SI and I believe touring models) I don’t know why they went away from this feature with the 2022+ models. Add all the sensors you want but the camera is better than anything else. I thought it would become standard on more cars, not get phased out. Besides that, the true city gas mileage is closer to 24 than 30, but highway is about 40 and mixed is 29. Very good for an all gas car. We had very few problems in the 6 years we drove it. Only thing we had to replace was the infotainment system— covered by the extended warranty. If it wasn’t for some dumb teens speeding through an intersection and taking us out in the turn lane, it should have lasted another good ten years if not more. This version of the civic is a great little car.
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$172,287
Est. $2,969/mo Porsche South Orlando
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Mojave Beige/Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3L H-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, VarioCam Plus variable v
- Stock #
- P218459
- VIN
- WP0AB2A97RS218459
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Porsche South OrlandoReviews
Porsche South Orlando review
The buying process was very easy and seamless with no pressure. Harley did an amazing job, he was very professional, helpful and very friendly. Everyone in the dealership that I connected with was great.
2024 Porsche 911 review
Exhilarating, Fun, Well Designed and Appointed Special Automobile Great fun car to drive Hoffman Porsche has been great on delivery, follow up and service Love the car and the dealership is special
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- GRAY
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 31-41
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 28887269
- VIN
- 2HGFC3B96GH361576
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax OrlandoReviews
CarMax Orlando review
I need an appraisal on a car .. Their appraisal is widely used and accepted.. I know I was made a fair offer ... Their offer put me in a good position for my trade in vehicle .. I have used them many times in the past and will do so again In The future
2016 Honda Civic review
Jean Paul was great to work with! He sent lots of photos and a video to show us the car before driving to see it! He also had paperwork ready when we got there and waiting on us. It was a very smooth process and the car is wonderful!!!!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Magnetic Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-31
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.3L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- 5124983
- VIN
- 1FA6P8TH2K5124983
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Stability Control
Dealer
HGreg.com OrlandoReviews
HGreg.com Orlando review
Sean was very friendly and was knowledgable. The cars were ok, we found a good one
2019 Ford Mustang review
I absolutely adore my Mustang. It does require performance mode to be as fast as I would prefer. It is reliable as all h e double l, the 10 speed is fast and sounds great. 10/10 I would purchase again.
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- Ext. color
- Vapor Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black Onyx
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual
- Engine
- 5L V-8 port/direct injection, DOHC, Ti-VCT variable valve contro
- Stock #
- R5418142
- VIN
- 1FA6P8CF1R5418142
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
AutoNation Ford SanfordReviews
AutoNation Ford Sanford review
Autonnation Sanford is an excellent dealership. My Service Advisor. Derrick Matthews was friendly and professional. My car was serviced in a timely manner. Everyone was good to deal with in order to get the work done
2024 Ford Mustang review
I just purchased the 2024 rapid red turbo. I love the mode change and it has that great sound as you pull away from others. Great take off and smooth ride. The only negative and it is very slight-- it that it is difficult to change the temp, and my Sirus does not have all features. This is my 4th mustang, with my first being the very small box shape. Every model gets better
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Grabber Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black Onyx
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 5L V-8 port/direct injection, DOHC, Ti-VCT variable valve contro
- Stock #
- S5503070B
- VIN
- 1FA6P8CF2R5407585
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Seminole ChevroletReviews
Seminole Chevrolet review
. Great Experience. I was able to get a next day appt with Angel who was super supportive, informative, and professional.
2024 Ford Mustang review
Excellent value for the price. Do not purchase this vehicle without the active exhaust option. The fake vents are disappointing but otherwise the car is perfect.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Alpine White
- Int. color
- Night Blue/Dark Oyster
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3L I-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- H66726T
- VIN
- WBA4W7C08LFH66726
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- DVD Player
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Starling Chevrolet GMCReviews
Starling Chevrolet GMC review
Comfortable at the dealership and at ease with the staff. Would recommend Starling Chevy to anyone. Can?t say enough about Nik the salesman at Starling. Terrific person.
2020 BMW 440 review
I love my new car ..Ive always wanted this car ..and now I own it ...everything about this car is wonderful...It has so much room and space my car is very high tech and I love it ..the material is so beautiful ...I will enjoy every moment when driving my beautiful car.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Granite Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- H674024
- VIN
- 2C3CDZJG7MH674024
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
HGreg.com OrlandoReviews
HGreg.com Orlando review
Sean was very helpful, it took a bit to get the car but when I did it was wirth it
2021 Dodge Challenger review
I’ve owned 3 of the newer models and loved each one . The 2019 SXT bought new , 2018 GT bought used as well as the 2022 Scat Pack , all 3 were great cars and about to look at number 4 a 2021 SXT
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$37,906
Est. $653/mo Deland Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Destroyer Gray Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- HEMI 5.7L V-8 variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine w
- Stock #
- DP023A
- VIN
- 2C3CDZBTXPH658268
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Deland Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
Deland Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram review
Completely painless shopping experience! Found the listing online and completed 99% of the purchase process online. Salesman, Tim, gave up his day off to complete the delivery! 2024 Grand Cherokee Summit
2023 Dodge Challenger review
Literally the perfect car, very comfortable I want to ride with it every time. I have two cars but this one is my favorite. Incredible
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$71,996
Est. $1,241/mo Massey Cadillac of Orlando
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Arctic White
- Int. color
- Adrenaline Red
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 6.2L V-8 gasoline direct injection, variable valve control, prem
- Stock #
- GR5121182
- VIN
- 1G1YC2D45R5121182
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Massey Cadillac of OrlandoReviews
Massey Cadillac of Orlando review
jake Watts is a client advisor at Massey Cadillac Orlando. I want to corporation to know he was wonderful to work with nice personality informative I give him a 10 star . I made a box it?s gonna work.
2024 Chevrolet Corvette review
I replaced my 2019 Grand Sport with this 2024 Stingray, and while I really liked the GS I like my Stingray even more. The most succinct summary I can present of the two cars is the C7 is a muscle car and the C8 is a sports car, and I prefer the latter.
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$68,494
Est. $1,180/mo New Smyrna Beach Chevrolet
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- Ext. color
- Rapid Blue
- Int. color
- Adrenaline Red
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 6.2L V-8 gasoline direct injection, variable valve control, prem
- Stock #
- PJ17078
- VIN
- 1G1YB2D48M5101231
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
New Smyrna Beach ChevroletReviews
New Smyrna Beach Chevrolet review
My experience was as what many would expect from a reputable business, they stood by their product and in review of complaint or status, they worked to my satisfaction and assured my comfort, in waiting for repairs to be completed.
2021 Chevrolet Corvette review
This car is definitely and upgrade from my C7! The shifting, the handling and overall driving experience is amazing for the money! So fun to drive every time I get behind the wheel!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Shadow Black
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual
- Engine
- 5L V-8 DOHC, Ti-VCT variable valve control, premium unleaded, en
- Stock #
- 271705
- VIN
- 1FA6P8CFXG5271705
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
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Mella Auto SalesReviews
Mella Auto Sales review
They gave me very fast contact and gave me all the information requested right on time!
2016 Ford Mustang review
Bought my 2016 Mustang GT used have had it exactly one year it has 45,000 miles on it, haven't had one problem it runs great and is fast! . And I'm always still getting compliments on it. It looks great, is fun to drive, and still turns heads. This is my 8th Mustang I'm a Mustang fantatic! Love them.
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- Octane Red Pearlcoat
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- Black
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- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
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- Automatic
- Engine
- HEMI 6.4L V-8 premium unleaded, engine with cylinder deactivatio
- Stock #
- BT578940
- VIN
- 2C3CDZFJ9PH578940
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Sport Subaru SouthReviews
Sport Subaru South review
Mr. Michael Losardo assisted us while our 2019 Subaru was being service om July 3rd, Our radio had gone out on us and needed to be replace. Michael went all out to assisted us to a point of amazing, We are very great ful to him.In another occasion there was another issue with a DCM. The issue was resolved in a timely matter. Thanks Michael you went out far beyond the call of duty.
2023 Dodge Challenger review
I traded in a 2011 SE Challenger that I had for 12 years & was NEVER disappointed. I traded it for a "last call" 2023 Challenger GT AWD w/the blacktop pkg & am so glad I stayed with the Dodge Challenger! I love this car, more than any bf! It's stylish, looks great in Shazberry Pearl aka Octane Red. It's comfortable to drive, but not to sleep in, lol. I trust & expect it'll be as reliable as the 2011. The AWD really makes a difference in handling. I really like the interior being loaded butcwould be nice to have blind spot notification. The only thing I do miss is the V8 rumble sound, but the gas mileage helps me get over that, 18mpg in town. MOPAR forever!
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- Antimatter Blue Metallic
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- Ebony
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- Rear-wheel Drive
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- 15-24
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- Gasoline
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- Automatic
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- 5L V-8 port/direct injection, DOHC, Ti-VCT variable valve contro
- Stock #
- AM2876A
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- 1FA6P8CF7M5146625
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Headquarter MazdaReviews
Headquarter Mazda review
Thank you Asael Arruda for the best car buying experience I’ve had. This is the second time in 2 years I’ve work with him and both times there wasn’t any pressure, purely relaxing. He explain all the features clearly and didn’t do the typical Car Salesman dance. He made everything transparent with no surprises.
2021 Ford Mustang review
For the money it is hard to beat a new Mustang on any trim level but especially the 5.0. Also the 10 speed automatic is a fantastic transmission as it keeps the engine in the powerband when asking for performance.
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- Velocity Blue Metallic
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- Ebony
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- Gasoline
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- Automatic
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- EcoBoost 2.3L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valv
- Stock #
- 159944
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- 1FA6P8THXM5151044
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Florida Fine Cars OrlandoReviews
Florida Fine Cars Orlando review
Juan Rodriguez was super helpful and friendly! Was checking out a vehicle over the phone and when we drove up to the dealership he had it ready to review immeditely. Also provided exceptional information to any questions we asked. Highly recommend!
2021 Ford Mustang review
I bought a 2021 Mustang Mach I and couldn’t be happier. The car is everything I dreamed of. The quality of the vehicle shows each and every time I drive it. Best vehicle I’ve owned. Sales staff was the greatest in helping me get my dream car.
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- Ext. color
- Oxford White
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- Ebony
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- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-32
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- Gasoline
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- Automatic, 10-Spd w/SelectShift
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- EcoBoost 2.3L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valv
- Stock #
- STK188015
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- 1FA6P8TH3L5188015
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OFFLease OrlandoReviews
OFFLease Orlando review
Everyone was very helpful would recommend this place to my family and a big shoutout to Salma for helping us 🥳🥳
2020 Ford Mustang review
I love this car. So many mods can be done to make it your own and unique to you. Move currently produces more hp than a stock GT 350. The looks and performance are outstanding for a car in this price range. My only gripes are that occasionally one of the mirrors (actually happens on both sides just not at the same time) will go all the way in one direction until it can't go anymore then click constantly until you press that mirror and touch the manual adjust button. Then you can hit your pre set of you have one and everything will be fine. It's always when I unlock the car to get in that this happens and it's totally random. If course the dealer can never find anything wrong with it. My other gripe was that on occasion it wouldn't recognize my fob. The only way I could start the car was to lift up the cup holder mat and stick the fob in the slot. But then if I went somewhere and turned the car off, it would be fine. Again totally weird and random. Overall though, I wouldn't give this car up for anything. So much fun to drive, and the sound of that V8 exhaust just gets the blood flowing. Not to mention the all the looks you'll get from people.
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- Black
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- Dark Slate Gray
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- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-27
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- Gasoline
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- Automatic
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- 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
- Stock #
- 176724
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- 2C3CDYAG9CH176724
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Winter Park Auto ExchangeReviews
Winter Park Auto Exchange review
“I had a great experience with Arturo Reyes at Winter Park Auto Exchange. He was professional, friendly, and really made the whole process easy. Arturo listened to what I needed, showed me the best options, and got me a deal I’m very happy with. If you’re looking for a car, definitely ask for Arturo—he’ll take good care of you!”
2012 Dodge Challenger review
good car, amazing car, it is sport car, CHALLENGER 2012 CLASSIC PLUS. if you want to have fun buy this car. you deserve this kid of car
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- Shadow Black
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- Black Onyx
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- Rear-wheel Drive
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- 15-24
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- Gasoline
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- Automatic
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- 5L V-8 port/direct injection, DOHC, Ti-VCT variable valve contro
- Stock #
- 73625
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- 1FA6P8CF6S5412942
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Hertz Car Sales OrlandoReviews
Hertz Car Sales Orlando review
Joe was an amazing car sales man. He was true to what he said and if he didn?t know the answer he found it out for you. Every time I called Hertz Joe would answer it was like he was running the place. Anytime I went to the dealership Joe was out in the heat showing a customer a car. He is just so great. When we went inside the other car sales men were just sitting around eating or chitchatting. Joe was an amazing experience just in himself I have never felt so confident in buying a car and not feeling preassured or stressed. I?m sending all my friends to hertz but not for just hertz but to speak with Joe because he is truly amazing.
2025 Ford Mustang review
I’ve owned my Mustang EcoBoost Premium Convertible for a while now, and it completely shatters the old stereotype that a Mustang needs a V8 to be a "real" sports car. It is the perfect platform for someone who wants open-air fun without sacrificing premium comfort, daily drivability, or cutting-edge technology. The stock EcoBoost engine is already incredibly punchy, but the platform reacts beautifully to the right modifications. Adding the Ford Performance Calibration—which ups the output to a serious 350 horsepower and 402 lb-ft of torque—along with a Mishimoto intercooler completely wakes the car up. To be honest, this is exactly how the car should have come from the factory if Ford wasn't so worried about tuning it down just to keep it 87-octane compatible. Running it on premium fuel with this calibration gives you massive low-end torque, immediate throttle response around town, and a relentless pull on the highway. Opting for the Premium trim is a must. The interior materials are a massive step up, making the cabin feel like a high-end grand tourer. I am especially happy with the tech in this car. I absolutely love the giant digital screen layout. While some Mustang purists don't like it and prefer old-school physical gauges, I am someone who always embraces new technology. Sitting in the driver's seat makes me feel like I am in an airplane cockpit. Features like the active cruise control work excellently on longer drives. The only thing I wish Ford had included in this tech package is a Head-Up Display (HUD). Because it's a convertible, you do have to deal with open-air road noise, and while the factory B&O sound system is decent, to me it was really lacking—especially with the top down. Fortunately, the platform is incredibly rewarding if you like to customize, so I upgraded the factory audio to a custom, high-end 3-way active system while retaining the stock head unit. Now, even with the top down on the highway, the audio clarity is absolutely incredible. If you are looking for a sharp, tech-forward sports car that delivers genuine performance, upscale daily comfort, and a brilliant platform for subtle, high-quality upgrades, the EcoBoost Premium Convertible is tough to beat.
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- Black Sapphire Metallic
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- BLACK/DARK OYSTER
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- Gasoline
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- Automatic
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- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
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- 157529
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- WBA4W3C50KAF93154
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Florida Fine Cars OrlandoReviews
Florida Fine Cars Orlando review
From call to visiting the dealership, Juan Rodriguez was top notch. He valued our time in having the vehicle ready for us to see prior to us arriving. He was open about all the dealer fees, which I have found to be standard. He was friendly and provided no pressure. While the vehicle was too small for 6’4” family member, we will be stalking their website in all of the other areas for when one becomes available that meets our needs. I am so grateful that he respected our time, which was different than the over 3 hours we spent at another dealership same day. Thank you Juan!
2019 BMW 430 review
4cyl turbo engine is quick and smooth. Best navigation I have seen and great console improvements . Sleek design makes the BMW the best coupe in the luxury market.
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- Ext. color
- Race Red
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- Black Onyx
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- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
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- 10-Speed Shiftable Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 2.3L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve co
- Stock #
- T5109171
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- 1FA6P8TH7T5109171
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Drivers MartReviews
Drivers Mart review
Tim at winter park drivers mart was very kind and knowledgeable. We appreciate his knowledge and he took time to help us.
2026 Ford Mustang review
We have had the Mustang Ecoboost for sbout two weeks. We love the way the car looks (people staring all the time), we love the way the car handles and drives and it it is surprisingly fast. The torque comes on quick and at low RPM. We drive in SPORT mode all the time for very spirited driving. In TRACK mode it holds the rpms and is very fast. The cockpit is like a spaceship. We have an older GT but this cockpit is fantastic. Looking forward to tons of fun in this cincertible
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$211,288
Est. $3,641/mo Orlando INFINITI/Aston Martin Orlando/Lotus Orlando/MOKE America Orlando/Orlando Ineos Grenadier
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- Ext. color
- Plasma Blue Signature Metallic
- Int. color
- Sandstorm
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-22
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 4L V-8 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- AUL14490
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- SCFRMFFW0RGL14490
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Orlando INFINITI/Aston Martin Orlando/Lotus Orlando/MOKE America Orlando/Orlando Ineos GrenadierReviews
Orlando INFINITI/Aston Martin Orlando/Lotus Orlando/MOKE America Orlando/Orlando Ineos Grenadier review
My first time at this dealership after the one closed where I originally pitched the car. Excellent and easy maintenance service performed. Friendly staff. Timely execution. Great experience. Recommend them.
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$41,084
Est. $708/mo Central Florida Chrysler Dodge Jeep and RAM
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- Ext. color
- White Knuckle
- Int. color
- Black
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- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
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- 1-Speed Automatic
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- Electric
- Stock #
- R207842
- VIN
- 2C3CDBDK7RR207842
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- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
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Central Florida Chrysler Dodge Jeep and RAMReviews
Central Florida Chrysler Dodge Jeep and RAM review
Andy was so helpful and made sure I was taken care of he has the best customer service and really looks out for his customers.
2024 Dodge Charger Daytona review
Sales was a breeze, very informative and giving me all the answers I need. All the guys and girls super friendly and chatty. Thank you Keith
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- Summit White
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- Gray
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- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic with TapShift
- Engine
- 3.6L V-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- 258707T
- VIN
- 2G1FC1E33E9258707
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Starling Chevrolet OrlandoReviews
Starling Chevrolet Orlando review
Sarimar Lopez was great. She is friendly and professional and full of technical knowledge. She got me in and out fast and helped me with a warranty situation that I needed help with. Thank You Sarimar.
2014 Chevrolet Camaro review
Owned my Camaro for 10+ years and it’s only ever needed routine maintenance. It’s incredibly quick and handles highway speeds with ease. It gets great fuel efficiency for a muscle car, especially on the highway. Always sounds amazing and is overall a very fun car to drive!
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$94,990
Est. $1,637/mo Coast to Coast Imports
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- Ext. color
- Osmium Silver
- Int. color
- Red
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, intercooled supercharger,
- Stock #
- A10949F
- VIN
- SCCLEKAX7RHA10949
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Coast to Coast ImportsReviews
Coast to Coast Imports review
Coast to Coast is a very professional dealership. I was treated with respect and professionalism from the time I walked through the door. Dylan and Omar took good care of us from the time we looked at the car to taking a test drive and writing up a sales deal. Coast to Coast carries quality inventory, and back it up. Thank you.
2024 Lotus Emira review
I have owned several Lotus over 35 yrs from an original Super 7 to an Elan, an Elise, an Evora and 3 Esprits. This car is amazing, I'm 6 foot 230lbs and there is plenty of room. Great car all around, and finally the fit and finish is excellent
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- Magnetic Black Metallic
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- Red
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- 19-26
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- Gasoline
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- Automatic
- Engine
- VQ 3.7L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, premium unleaded, engi
- Stock #
- 6616
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- JN1AZ4EH1KM420851
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Merit Auto GroupReviews
Merit Auto Group review
Dmitriy Demyrov made the process easier especially after already getting pre approved before I went in. Very courteous and professional. My family will be getting cars from this place in the future.
2019 Nissan 370Z review
Not the fanciest sports car, but the fastest for the money. It compares in price to the Mazda Miata, but is roomier and much faster. I've owned both, along with a 2012 Corvette and I can tell you it's closer to the Vet in power, than it is to the MX5. It's interior is old school, but it runs and handles. You could get a Porsche, but the money would be much more, and the maintenance is much more expensive, plus it's not as reliable.