Used Porsche cars for sale in Annetta North, TX
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Volcano Grey Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, intercool
- Stock #
- YLLB12234
- VIN
- WP1AA2A51LLB12234
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
eCarOneReviews
eCarOne review
I only test-drove a vehicle here and I was amazed by the process. Adam was super chill, with no pressure on why I didn’t want the vehicle. I’ll more than likely be back here!
2020 Porsche Macan review
Recently purchased the 2020 Macan GTS, so still in 'honeymoon' phase. That said, no issues to report. Pretty amazing how the vehicle can change personalities. Can be Dr. Jeckyl - smooth, quiet, refined touring car. Click a few buttons and its Mr. Hyde - growling, fast, quick steering tall hatchback that is ready for twisting roads or highway blast. Not encountered a vehicle that does this touring/sport change as well. Another standout for the 2020 is ability to go 'old school' buttons/analog - or modern digital interfaces. Like all the buttons, once you get to know them. Quick and less distraction from road. Rear seat is snug for anyone over 6 foot. Chose this over the Audi SQ5 - but it was a close contest. GTS wins on driving dynamics, but SQ5 is a wonderful luxury experience. Hard to resist the Porsche once you drive it. Does the luxury part pretty darn well too. Wow.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gentian Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB12995
- VIN
- WP1AA2A55TLB12995
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.0L V6 24V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TDA06089
- VIN
- WP1AA2AY8TDA06089
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.9L V6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB41804
- VIN
- WP1AG2A59TLB41804
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Dolomite Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.0L V6 24V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- SDA33514
- VIN
- WP1BA2AY7SDA33514
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Dolomite Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.0L V6 24V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TDA04191
- VIN
- WP1AA2AY0TDA04191
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn PorscheReviews
Autobahn Porsche review
Excellent service extends from the Sales to the Repair Departments
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Dolomite Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB11152
- VIN
- WP1AA2A55TLB11152
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Carmine Red
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- TL250297
- VIN
- WP1AE2XA5TL250297
Features
- Entertainment
- Satellite Radio
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gentian Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB04512
- VIN
- WP1AA2A57TLB04512
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Chalk
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB11630
- VIN
- WP1AA2A54TLB11630
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn PorscheReviews
Autobahn Porsche review
Went in for oil change and service manager warranted and fixed many things I didn't even know were wrong. Left very happy. No more squeaks or rattles.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Volcano Grey Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB13093
- VIN
- WP1AA2A53TLB13093
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.0L V6 24V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TDA39307
- VIN
- WP1BA2AY8TDA39307
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Copper
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB13096
- VIN
- WP1AA2A59TLB13096
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Carrara White Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.0L V6 24V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TDA38850
- VIN
- WP1BA2AY2TDA38850
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn PorscheReviews
Autobahn Porsche review
We got the email about the software update. It totally changed options for the seats. Turned off the cooling/heating option and added the massage feature. My car does not have massage seats. Took 1 1/2 days to correct, but Autobahn took care of it. Just didn't expect it to take so long.
2026 Porsche Cayenne review
Beautiful car -wanted a luxury vehicle that would withstand everyday driving. Very well made and checked all the boxes. Spoke to all the German repair mechanics I could and they all said if you buy German buy Porsche. Not cheap tho
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Jet Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- 2-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- TSA09755
- VIN
- WP0AA2Y10TSA09755
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Dolomite Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB11151
- VIN
- WP1AA2A53TLB11151
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-21
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 4.0L V8 32V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- TDA51105
- VIN
- WP1BL2AY9TDA51105
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.0L V6 24V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TDA38708
- VIN
- WP1BA2AYXTDA38708
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn PorscheReviews
Autobahn Porsche review
The Service Department Consultants ( Kory, Adam,George) are outstanding. Listened to my concerns rather than jumping ahead with incorrect assumptions!
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$168,225
Est. $3,105/mo Autobahn Porsche
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- Ext. color
- Chalk
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 3.0L H6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- PS222051
- VIN
- WP0AB2A9XPS222051
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Autobahn PorscheReviews
Autobahn Porsche review
Kory Malcolm is an awesome representation of your dealership. He is courteous, efficient and knowledgeable on all aspects of Jaguar vehicles. He gets your vehicle in and out quickly all while doing a very thorough job.
2023 Porsche 911 review
What can I say, the benchmark of sports cars. I have a 4S Cabrio. I chose the 4 as I like all-wheel-drive, even in Florida. Better grip. The S also has more horsepower. Build quality and fit and finish our superb. The ultimate sports car without all the problems of the Italian cars. You’d be hard to find a car with better handling and Performance. The look is timeless. There’s no mistake at what you’re looking at when you see a Porsche. Great car.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB12456
- VIN
- WP1AA2A58TLB12456
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB13271
- VIN
- WP1AA2A51TLB13271
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Chalk
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB12999
- VIN
- WP1AA2A52TLB12999
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Copper
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB12997
- VIN
- WP1AA2A59TLB12997
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gentian Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- TLB12994
- VIN
- WP1AA2A53TLB12994
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Autobahn Porsche -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, intercool
- Stock #
- B23519
- VIN
- WP1AA2A5XJLB23519
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
DFW Auto and Services LLCReviews
DFW Auto and Services LLC review
I had an excellent experience with this dealer. The staff was friendly, knowledgeable, and transparent throughout the entire process. The vehicle was exactly as described, and the pricing was fair.
2018 Porsche Macan review
One of the most fun cars I have ever driven. The acceleration and handling are on another level than the X5M or X3M. It’s also practical and looks extremely sharp. Infotainment could be better - the PDK is lightening fast though. Exhaust tone is amazing. I can go on and on.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Sand Beige
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L H-6 direct injection, DOHC, VarioCam Plus variable valve co
- Stock #
- 56P1277P
- VIN
- WP0CA2A96BS740131
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Porsche WichitaReviews
Porsche Wichita review
I came to Porsche of Wichita to look at a used Tesla. I was introduced to Zach and he was great. He wasn't pushy at all and was very honest with all the questions. I even threw him a couple of questions I already knew the answer to to see if he would tell me the truth and he did. The dealership facility is very clean and nice and everyone I interacted with was great. Definitely not your "typical car dealership slimy sales people" vibe. You deal with your personal advisor (in my case, Zach) the entire way through, you don't get passed between people. We ultimately did not buy from them because I was looking at Tesla EV's and decided to go with a new one over used in the end. I would definitely consider any of the Walser dealerships in the future.
2011 Porsche 911 review
This is my first Porsche and I am hooked. A fabulous convertible that has been an absolute joy to drive and own. I have not had any mechanical issues.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Midnight Blue
- Int. color
- Sand Beige
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual
- Engine
- 3.4L H-6 DOHC, VarioCam variable valve control, premium unleaded
- Stock #
- 56P1235P
- VIN
- WP0CB29867U731286
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Porsche WichitaReviews
Porsche Wichita review
Clean facility, professional staff, with none of the hassle you'd typically expect buying from a dealer. Worked with Zach Laham and couldn't have asked for a more friendly, honest, and straightforward sales person. No hidden details, no back and forth. Highly satisfied, highly recommend.
2007 Porsche Boxster review
The 2005 Boxster S is an absolute blast to drive. I have a giant smile plastered across my face after every drive. The only other car I've driven that was this much fun was another Porsche (1986 944 Turbo). My Boxster has been very reliable with no major issues to date. My only complaints are that anything I have done on the car is expensive and it has some annoying quirks. One example: If the battery goes dead, the heated seats and built in garage remote stop working until a "factory reset" is preformed (strange but true). This factory reset requires a computer scan tool that costs $1000s. So, a trip to the mechanic is in order after a dead battery. That is both a waste of my time and expensive.