Used Kia cars for sale in Upton, KY
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$22,210
Est. $401/mo The Kia Store - Elizabethtown
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Snow White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I4 16V PDI DOHC
- Stock #
- 20897
- VIN
- KNDPUCDF0R7238325
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
The Kia Store - ElizabethtownReviews
2024 Kia Sportage review
Great customer service. My Kia Sportage drives very comfortably. Love the heated seats. Great for carrying large items cause you can put the back seats down.
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$35,158
Est. $635/mo The Kia Store - Elizabethtown
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Jungle Green
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.8L V6 24V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- M27140A
- VIN
- 5XYP5DGC6RG549698
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
The Kia Store - ElizabethtownReviews
2024 Kia Telluride review
It's been three years since I've owned this car. First of all, the design was so cool and the interior was good. I wanted to buy it as a night fall edition at the time, but there was no vehicle. I ended up buying it as an lx trim. I'm so happy with it, and I'm planning on buying the car again with the 2025 Telluride SX X-Line. This car is absolutely great.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Fusion Orange
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-34
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- M27174A
- VIN
- KNDEU2AA2S7794684
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
The Kia Store - ElizabethtownReviews
The Kia Store - Elizabethtown review
We actually purchased a vehicle elsewhere. I will say that this dealership communicated very well.
2025 Kia Seltos review
I have had pickups since 1973. My sister bought a Seltos 2 years ago and loved it. I bought one and cannot complain. It’s a 4 cyl so don’t expect to burn rubber but it will get you any place you want to go. Very happy so far…
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ceramic Silver
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Smart Stream 2.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable
- Stock #
- B32655
- VIN
- KNAE35LD6P6123573
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Autopilot
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Baha Auto of BurbankReviews
Baha Auto of Burbank review
Would go there for all my purchase 😁 great service and friendly made be feel right at home as I flew in from Oregon and picked up a truck it was all ready to go and was very Happy
2023 Kia Stinger review
Better than I ever would have imagined. Fit & finish, inside and out. Performance with incredible gas mileage. Plenty of storage space thanks to hatchback. All around great car. Too bad they stopped making it.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Federation Orange
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.3L V6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- 12810
- VIN
- KNAE55LC2L6072133
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
KNB Motors IncReviews
KNB Motors Inc review
Murphy is best salesman will come back again highly recommend everyone looking for Murphy.Chris finance did good job too thank you so much guys!i like my honda civic
2020 Kia Stinger review
I have had my 2020 GT for 2 years now and have only had scheduled maintenance done and thats pretty much it the only issue i did have was that trunk rattle butt quick fix added rubber washers and that disappeared !! GREAT EVERYDAY DRIVER gives a SRT xxxx on the DIGGGG😂
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Glacial White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- LAMBDA II 3.8L V-6 direct injection, DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve
- Stock #
- 9926970
- VIN
- 5XYP64GC3PG366138
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Toyota of LouisvilleReviews
Toyota of Louisville review
Very nice and helpful people. Never force to sell, just answer all quations. Also let me talk to previous owner of used Van. Thanks for all the help.
2023 Kia Telluride review
This is followup to Tucker Dawg prior review. As noted the 2023 Tellurides came without a tow hitch or harness and none ever became available due recall issue on 2020 -2022 models. My dealership was able to retro fit 2022 hitch, then they paid to have an aftermarket electrical harness installed. And now I pull a 22 foot airstream camper ( 3800# weight ) and it works great! All in all very happy with car after 3 years and 26,000 miles. But if buy used, do be aware KIA never offered a factory hitch or harness.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Snow White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-32
- Fuel type
- Regular gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Theta II 2.4L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve
- Stock #
- LG420535STK
- VIN
- 5XXGT4L33LG420535
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
DriveTime of LouisvilleReviews
2020 Kia Optima review
Love this car! Have 45,000 miles on vehicle and have only done brakes and tires… Super happy with the way it looks and responds. Most reliable car I have owned. Would happily go to another Kia after this one!
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$41,549
Est. $751/mo Toyota of Bowling Green
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Glacial White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.8L V6 24V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- 282P26
- VIN
- 5XYP5DGC3RG426604
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Toyota of Bowling GreenReviews
Toyota of Bowling Green review
I had a great experience buying my first car with Toyota thanks to Chris Bowling! He was very friendly and helpful with any questions. He helped me find the vehicle that had everything I was looking for and I drove off the lot in a new vehicle I love!
2024 Kia Telluride review
Have driven just over 20,000 miles so far. No issues. Drive between Clearwater and Gainesville regularly plus a couple other family trips and daily around town. Averages about 27 mpg at 75, quiet and pleasant ride. Trips were nice with good visibility front and back and plenty of room for stuff. Highly recommend.
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$41,299
Est. $746/mo Ray's Ford Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Wolf Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- LAMBDA II 3.8L V-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, D-CVVT varia
- Stock #
- 19130
- VIN
- 5XYP3DGC3SG638270
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Ray's Ford Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
Ray's Ford Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram review
So I didn't buy a vehicle they where fixing my truck. The service department is a great treat to work with. They are honest and upfront with everything. I will take all my vehicles there.
2025 Kia Telluride review
We have had the Telluride for approximately two months. So far we love it. It rides great! We took it on a 12 hour trip to the mountains of North Carolina. We love having a six cylinder engine and it handles the windy mountain roads great!!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sparkling Silver
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, re
- Stock #
- 19116
- VIN
- 5XYRLDLC5NG086029
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Ray's Ford Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
Ray's Ford Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram review
Found a ten year old Lincoln MK5 that was in perfect condition at a fair price so I bought it. I have bought several vehicles from Ray's and had them service those vehicles for 20 years now. I like the family no pressure environment. Also, as a military veteran I appreciate their support and patriotism. Thank you for being a great neighbor.
2022 Kia Sorento review
Very happy with our purchase! It's got lots of power & very comfortable. With 2nd row folded down we can get 24 bags of groceries in it. Seats are comfortable & my husband who's 6'6" has plenty of leg room. Now I understand why I see so many Kias on the road!!! It's a joy to drive!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ebony Black
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, CVVT variable valve contro
- Stock #
- 9926360
- VIN
- 5XYK33AF7PG136893
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Toyota of LouisvilleReviews
Toyota of Louisville review
I've had a long term relationship with Swope for 15 years and have always had a pleasant experience. They go the extra mile to make you feel satisfied! I'm truly loyal... Dennis, Rick, Lisa, Tom and last but certainly not least, Mr. Campbell are top notch.
2023 Kia Sportage review
I love mine. Would recommend it to anyone looking for a sporty looking SUV. Not a rocket ship, but good fun transportation. Fun to drive.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Clear White / Black Roof
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.6L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- 26T961A
- VIN
- KNDETCA70R7516728
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Toyota of Bowling GreenReviews
Toyota of Bowling Green review
This was the easiest car buying experience I have ever had! I typically dread car shopping. Courtney Miller is amazing! She made the entire experience so easy and actually enjoyable! Courtney went above and beyond to help me feel comfortable and to walk me and my husband through the process of leasing for the first time. We got started right before closing but she stayed, was more than patient in answering our questions and even made sure I contacted her in the following few days to stop in so she could take the time to show me all if the details in the vehicle! Amazing experience with Courtney at Toyota!
2024 Kia Seltos review
We almost got in a wreck just now, the car in front of the car in front of US slammed on their breaks. Our Kia Seltos 2024 beeped and then my husband pushed the breaks...none of us hit each other!! Thank you, Kia!!!! It was scary, and I could tell our car noticed the sudden stop before we did!! Thank-you!!
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$53,858
New 2026 Kia Carnival SX Prestige 
$42,385
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$28,085
New 2027 Kia Seltos S 
$33,125
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$32,365
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$31,575
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$32,925
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$32,185
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$49,815
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$55,945
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$41,320
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-35
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, en
- Stock #
- J1178A
- VIN
- KNDJ23AU4S7955380
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Conway-Heaton IncReviews
Conway-Heaton Inc review
Great dealership have bought 3 vehicles from Conway Heaton Ford! Staff is amazing and always goes above and beyond! I look forward to buying our next vehicle here!
2025 Kia Soul review
best car I have ever owned,I highly recommend, CVT & engine are flawless, discontinued and no more will be built, these are built in South Korea
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, en
- Stock #
- 18985
- VIN
- 3KPFT4DE7SE041234
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Ray's Ford Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
Ray's Ford Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram review
I was amazed at how easy the buying process was at Ray’s. Joetta was great to work with and even though we live 2 hours away. I’ll cross the border into Kentucky for all our vehicles from now on. Joetta and Terry gave us a great deal, more than what we thought we would get for our trade as well!! Thank you Terry and Joetta for a great day!!!
2025 Kia K4 review
I purchased my 2025 KIA K4 back in the end of March. All I can say is I love it. Hands down the best vehicle purchase I have ever made. The features are too many to mention and the leg room and comfort are unbeatable.
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$27,779
Est. $502/mo Mercedes-Benz of Bowling Green
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Snow White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-36
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.6L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- P072397
- VIN
- 3KPFW4DC6SE072397
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Mercedes-Benz of Bowling GreenReviews
Mercedes-Benz of Bowling Green review
Ray was very professional and easy to work with, the car deal went through without a hitch. Delivery was done quickly and professionally. The trade in was easy and fair.
2025 Kia K4 review
I purchased the new 2025 Kia K4 EX during late August for my wife to help celebrate our 55th wedding anniversary, and she simply just loves driving the car with all of its modern safety high-tech features, its comfort, and impressive driving performance. I've nicknamed the car "The Batmobile" with its Aurora Black Pearl exterior paint and stylish features that make this car stand out from other sedans that are in the cost-effective $20,000 - $30,000 price range. Plenty of room inside the car, a quiet smooth ride, and adequate acceleration whenever may be needed (e.g., entering onto a highway). The car comes with Kia's standard 5 year, 60,000 mile full warrantee, and 10 year, 100,000 mile powertrain warrantee which is still very generous of KIa.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Glacial White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, CVVT variable valve contro
- Stock #
- J1123A
- VIN
- 5XYK23DF4TG347624
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Conway-Heaton IncReviews
Conway-Heaton Inc review
We traveled from MI to purchase a new F250. Prior to arriving, we knew everything necessary to feel confident making the trip. Great experience, thank you!
2026 Kia Sportage review
I purchased 2026 KIA SPORTAGE and I absolutely, positively love the car. The electronics is intuitive and a joy to use! The vehicle is also easy to handle. My KIA has all the bell and whistles one would expect in a much more expensive car. Test drive one and you will fall in love just the way I did!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gravity Gray
- Int. color
- Black/Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-35
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, en
- Stock #
- J1157T
- VIN
- KNDJ23AU1P7207967
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Conway-Heaton IncReviews
Conway-Heaton Inc review
Great experience! I have bought 3 vehicles from Brad, and he is always so great to work with. I love how friendly everyone is and how hard they work.
2023 Kia Soul review
I have had my 2023 KIA Soul Sport since March of 2023. I love it, because it's comfortable, fast (little red button) especially in Michigan. I have had it up to 111mph without even trying, as i was trying to get out of a situation in Michigan. I use a wheelchair, and so the space is good for that and family, and groceries. It is awesome on gas too. I was surprised at how well it handled in the snow. No worries there. This is my third KIA, and as long as the warranty stays the same or gets better, i will still purchase them.
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