Used Subaru Forester for sale near Madera Acres, CA
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sepia Bronze Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, regular
- Stock #
- MH560903P
- VIN
- JF2SKAXCXMH560903
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Lithia Hyundai of FresnoReviews
Lithia Hyundai of Fresno review
Lithia Hyundai was a great experience for me. Thank you to Raul for his best customer service & Sebastian as well! :)
2021 Subaru Forester review
Other than battery replacement , car has been amazing ! 1 exception cup holders are located too far aft and require driver to look down to locate cup without removing eyes from road ! This issue has been partially addressed in later years by offsetting passengers holder slightly forward of drivers, but still awkward position ! both should be more forward nearer to dash !
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sepia Bronze Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, regular
- Stock #
- MH560903P
- VIN
- JF2SKAXCXMH560903
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Lithia Hyundai of FresnoReviews
Lithia Hyundai of Fresno review
Lithia Hyundai was a great experience for me. Thank you to Raul for his best customer service & Sebastian as well! :)
2021 Subaru Forester review
Other than battery replacement , car has been amazing ! 1 exception cup holders are located too far aft and require driver to look down to locate cup without removing eyes from road ! This issue has been partially addressed in later years by offsetting passengers holder slightly forward of drivers, but still awkward position ! both should be more forward nearer to dash !
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal White Pearl
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Unknown
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, regular gasoline, engine with 182HP
- Stock #
- 26T583A
- VIN
- JF2SKAJC3RH506228
Features
- Convenience
- Power Liftgate
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Steves Chevrolet Of ChowchillaReviews
Steves Chevrolet Of Chowchilla review
Excellent and exceptional dealership, I will definitely be coming to have truck service needs at this location as long as I have a Truck !! 5 Stars ??
2024 Subaru Forester review
the forester sport is very reliable get 26 mpg on most of my daily commutes. Drives great in the winter (even though I have the same tires they came with). Traveling in it on road trips are great, 31 mpg using the cruise control and lane assist. It's not a very fast SUV but it honestly worth it. I tend to speed, but it's not something that actually bothers me. I was worried it would be too sluggish. I picked the forester for my road trips, and extra stuff I drive with.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Green
- Int. color
- BROWN
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 70111564
- VIN
- JF2SKARC3NH458311
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax West SaharaReviews
CarMax West Sahara review
Best car buying experience my wife and I have ever had. They still use the age old "up" system in greeting walk in prospects, which is fair to the sales people, but we didn't feel like we were just a number. No price negotiations here as the posted price is what it is and the sales people don't work on commission. We had searched their inventory via internet and indicated the vehicle which we were interested in looking at. It was parked at the front entrance waiting for us when we arrived at our appointment time. We ended up buying it. Will buy our next car here too.
2022 Subaru Forester review
My purchase history has been that of a General Motors enthusiast. My wife worked with Subaru owners; they had no complaints. Decades of commercial truck driving exposed me to witnessing the site's of too many bad accidents. The Subaru safety record has earned my loyalty.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Red
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 29185636
- VIN
- JF2SLDDCXSH539498
Features
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Lane Departure Warning
Dealer
CarMax Buena ParkReviews
CarMax Buena Park review
A lot of the negative reviews on this place are a bit silly. In my experience from this past weekend, if you listen to the salesperson who you are assigned, bring all the documents requested, make appointments, and come fully prepared, you will have an excellent experience just as I did. I placed a 7-day hold on the exact car I wanted, and made an appointment to come test drive it and apply for financing a few days later. I spoke with my salesperson, Jerry Neyland, a few times on the phone before coming in, and he always had the answers I needed. He advised me on what documentation to bring with me, and when I arrived for my test drive appointment Jerry has the car ready for me. We took a quick test drive, I fell in love with the car, and we started the financing application. Since I brought everything we'd need, it was a BREEZE! In total, I was maybe at CarMax for 2 hours maximum. I had been stressing over it all week, only to find out it was all so, so simple. Jerry's customer service is second to none--he was friendly, quick, and understanding. He kept me informed every step of the way, and not once did I feel he was putting pressure on me or trying to "sell" me on anything. CarMax Buena Park gets 5 out of 5 stars for me, and Jerry Neyland gets 6 out of 5 stars! Overall an excellent experience in every regard.
2025 Subaru Forester review
My Forester is roomy enough for me and several passengers, yet small enough to park easily. It’s reliable, responsive, and I get 35 mpg. The safety features are excellent.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Green
- Int. color
- GRAY
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 70163771
- VIN
- JF2SKAJC1MH580272
Features
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
Dealer
CarMax ModestoReviews
CarMax Modesto review
The sales associate was very polite, knew her information regarding the vehicle I wanted to purchase and worked with me to accommodate my schedule which had to be changed a couple of times.
2021 Subaru Forester review
I like the solid feel of the car and the sturdy and high ride. Good acceleration. It would be a better SUV if the ground clearance was at least 10” or 12”, with the exhaust pipe properly tucked away!
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$37,080
Est. $684/mo Smith Chevrolet of Turlock
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Autumn Green Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, regular
- Stock #
- 42468A
- VIN
- 4S4SLDN68T3044122
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Smith Chevrolet of TurlockReviews
Smith Chevrolet of Turlock review
Humberto, my salesman & Fatima, the financing person were wonderful. My elderly parents financed the purchase & both Humberto & Fatima were wonderfully patient as they had paperwork to sign. Can not say enough about the crew at the dealership
2026 Subaru Forester review
Rid is my third Subaru since 1984. First was a Subaru station wagon, had for 20 yrs, 220,000 miles. Second was a 2004 Subaru Forester. Just sold to another individual for $2,000 with 184,000 miles on it. Still running, original air, only issue was check engine light being on and couldn’t find what issue was. New owner thinks he may have identified and hoping to be fixed. I was hoping he might get another 100,000 miles out of car. He said he would be thrilled with 50,000. Just bought a brand new 2026 basic Forester. Love it even with all the new electronics on it.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Dark Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Saddle Brown
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- M12999A
- VIN
- JF2SJAWC9JH531960
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Modesto MazdaReviews
2018 Subaru Forester review
Great value considering the superior safety features, low maintenance and reliability. Rear wheel bearings have been replaced twice and just had the AC compressor and serpentine belt replaced. Albeit expensive repairs, all cars need something after the first 3 years. It's been 8 years and the car still run and drives like new.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Silver
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 70113122
- VIN
- JF2SJAPC9EH440837
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax VisaliaReviews
2014 Subaru Forester review
I was between a rock and a hard place after my Honda passed away-it drove itself to its demise due to the handbrake not on tight enough. So I had nothing to trade, no leverage. I know Subarus owned many Outbacks and they go forever. The problem is I'm 5' tall and this car is too big for me after the Honda and a Miata I have. I had 2 big dogs and felt the car would be great for a dog owner. Which it is. One dog rode on the back seat (covered) the other had the back to herself. Great for a dog owner. If you need a crate there's plenty of room. This would be a great vehicle for a children or pet family. I only have one 10 yr old dog left and this uses too much gas for me to consider a practical vehicle.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 29141634
- VIN
- JF2SKAMC3PH502267
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax ModestoReviews
CarMax Modesto review
My overall opinion on CarMax was that I was very satisfied. I definitely never had such an easy and simple car buying experience.i would Recommend CarMax to anyone and everyone
2023 Subaru Forester review
LOVE this car, maybe a little biased since this is my 5th Forester, my 2nd Wilderness. My first Wilderness was totaled in a head-on collision when a young driver spilled coffee and veered into my lane and struck me head-on. That was my 1st Subaru Forester Wilderness and IT SAVED MY LIFE. Full curtain all-around airbag deployment with a roll, the Wilderness coming to rest on it's right side, me still strapped into seatbelt, and the Subaru automatic crash notification with a live person on the speakers asking me if I was ok and needed 911! Smoke still coming from the airbag deployments, and there is a live person coming over the speakers asking me if I'm ok. It was surreal. SUBARU FORESTER WILDERNESS SAVED MY LIFE! TYVM Subaru! LOVE this car! Gets 25+ MPG with conservative driving, a great ride and suspension, superior traction in mud and snow, load-out practically anything/rack bikes (or whatever on the roof racks), sleep in the back with ample room, superior rear-gate lift mechanism with memory, seats super-comfortable and easily adjustable, solid rear-seat leg-room, easy rear-seat fold-downs for massive cargo area that takes my full HVAC tool load-out for servicing ice baths all over the NorthEast US. A great value, especially CPO with +10K mileage (vs. new) MONEY WELL SPENT! SUBARU FOR LIFE
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal White Pearl
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- P8549
- VIN
- JF2SKAMC0LH446069
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Smith Chevrolet of TurlockReviews
Smith Chevrolet of Turlock review
We have purchased our second car here at Smith Chevrolet. Sales person Gabriel Perez has been friendly and easy going in both of our purchases. Gabriel has GREAT customer service, made it easy to purchase. We had an appointment for a routine oil change and decided to buy another SUV. Gabriel is a great team partner to make your buying transition easy going. Gabriel has experience to get the job done. Another key reason we purchased another vehicle through Smith Chevrolet is the outstanding service department GOOD JOB!!
2020 Subaru Forester review
Car drives very well and has many nice safety features. It is good on gas mileage and has been dependable. Subaru service at the dealership is all you could ask for. So far at 29K miles, tires & brakes are still good.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- GRAY
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 28926298
- VIN
- JF2SJAAC8EH482652
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
Dealer
CarMax VisaliaReviews
2014 Subaru Forester review
Mechanically reliable. Decent gas mileage. Headrests block line of vision. Sideview mirrors can be difficult to adjust. The most uncomfortable seats of any automobile I have ever owned. Lots of cabin noise both city and highway driving.
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$37,433
New 2026 Subaru Forester Limited 
$36,549
New 2026 Subaru Forester Sport 
$31,732
New 2026 Subaru Forester Base 
$33,712
New 2026 Subaru Forester Premium 
$41,635
New 2026 Subaru Forester Wilderness 
$31,680
New 2026 Subaru Forester Base 
$41,832
New 2026 Subaru Forester Touring 
$41,832
New 2026 Subaru Forester Touring 
$33,712
New 2026 Subaru Forester Premium 
$35,307
New 2026 Subaru Forester Premium 
$38,068
New 2026 Subaru Forester Sport 
$38,068
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 70043086
- VIN
- JF2SJGEC3HH539146
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
Dealer
CarMax VisaliaReviews
2017 Subaru Forester review
The Forester is a great value. It is roomy yet extremely nimble. Our average fuel economy is 30mpg with plenty of power. It has great visibility with no blind spots. The all wheel drive works well. It is great when you have to drive in bad weather. My only complaint is dealership service costs seem high, even for routine services. Independent garages have more reasonable costs. There have been no major repairs needed on our Subaru. We were a Honda family ( 20+ yrs) so changing to the Subaru was a big deal. We were not disappointed.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 70152890
- VIN
- JF2SKAUC8MH525345
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax VisaliaReviews
2021 Subaru Forester review
Spontaneous windshield cracked to 2 1/2 feet in just seconds! No stones seen, without warning, bang. The part cost $850.00 more for eye-sight calibration! Subaru dealer said total cost, around $2000!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- CASCADE GREEN
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, regular
- Stock #
- 25RM295
- VIN
- JF2SKARC0PH411420
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Sager CDJRReviews
2023 Subaru Forester review
Overall, at 60k miles, I’ve had no problems and am very happy. I average around 34 mpg’s with mixed driving. I’m happy with the acceleration as well, even though Subaru’s without a turbo are sometimes labeled as slow. I have no problem merging onto highways. The Forester is an easy to live with SUV/car. The rear room is adequate, although the CRV offers about 10 cubic feet more rear capacity. Visibility is excellent. The CVT is smooth and has simulated shifts, just make sure you change the fluid every 30k! I own the Limited with leather seats that are very comfortable. Sometimes the response time on the radio/touch screen can feel a little delayed. I also opted for the dimming driver/rear view mirrors which is great during winter commuting. It saves your eyes from glare. Very view cars offer this which is why I went with the Subaru. My only “major” complaint with the car is a slight rattle coming from the dash board area. It isn’t always there, but is present enough to bother me. Aside from that it is an excellent vehicle and value for the money!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ice Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- 25RM317
- VIN
- JF2SKAWC5KH412401
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- LED Headlights
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Sager CDJRReviews
2019 Subaru Forester review
I had to make a 5 1/2 hour drive recently and loved how smoothly my car drove, especially using cruise control with “eyesight” so it slowed when I was too close to the car in front of me. I couldn’t even feel it; I watched the speedometer. Love the safety features and extras like seat warmers and large sunroof.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Magnetite Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- 29718
- VIN
- JF2SKAAC5PH532391
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Western Motors Los BanosReviews
2023 Subaru Forester review
Likes: spacious interior despite modest exterior dimensions, easy to maneuver, great visibility all around, comfortable ride, good traction, handling, and braking, nice interior finish on sport model, strong steering responsive headlights yet they don't blind opposing traffic, very good optional Harmon sound system, numerous effective safety features, low insurance premiums, adequate acceleration..a few cons: actual economy slightly under EPA estimates, seat may be a bit too firm for some but easy to address by adding a thin seat cushion, mandatory sunroof on all but the base model..I wish Subaru would just make that a single option..rough engine start-stop ..however I disable it each time I start engine so it can be a non issue...no reliability issues yet but since this has a cvt and fairly complex safety features, long term reliability is unknown..
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