Used compact SUVs for sale in South Lyon, MI
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$16,769
Est. $303/mo Suburban Mazda of Farmington Hills
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- Ext. color
- Black Noir Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed A/T
- Engine
- Theta 2.4L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, CVVT variable valve contr
- Stock #
- MU390227A
- VIN
- KM8J3CAL2MU390227
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Suburban Mazda of Farmington HillsReviews
Suburban Mazda of Farmington Hills review
Courtney was amazing. She listened and wasn't afraid to check out various options to try to meet the needs expressed for me, a first time Mazda buyer. I appreciated that Suburban made the process painless and left us feeling supported.
2021 Hyundai TUCSON review
Good price for a good car not great but good. As a fairly wide-bodied retiree front sear comfort is on par with airline seats. Too narrow and hard. SUV looks good and runs good but for long trips no way.
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$12,029
Est. $217/mo Suburban Volkswagen of Farmington Hills
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- Ext. color
- Oxford White
- Int. color
- Sandstone
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-31
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed A/T
- Engine
- EcoBoost 1.5L I-3 port/direct injection, DOHC, Ti-VCT variable v
- Stock #
- LUB73688P
- VIN
- 1FMCU9G64LUB73688
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Suburban Volkswagen of Farmington HillsReviews
Suburban Volkswagen of Farmington Hills review
The sales staff has made every possible effort to communicate with me and demonstrated a keen desire to facilitate communication between the dealership and me.
2020 Ford Escape review
I bought a used 2020 Ford escape hybrid titanium with 33,000 miles. I came from a 2015 X3 and I am surprised how well this car handles and feels firmly planted. I love the electric driving at slow speeds and you can hear the gas engine come on and it’s louder than my BMW, but I am still pleasantly surprised by the low level of road noise at highway speeds. Mine is Persian green, which is rare, and absolutely beautiful after I waxed it. The exterior is pretty good, considering its price range, and the interior is subpar with the hard plastic on the doors, but overall, the controls are very intuitive, easily reachable, and after I learned how to use all the options, my favorite feature is the adaptive cruise control with stop and go and lane centering. The car basically just drives itself, even in the city at low speeds. I just have to make the turns and stop at red lights and stop signs if there is no car in front of me. I also love the short stopping distances with the brakes, which feel great and confidence-inspiring, and the steering actually feels better than in my BMW, which was too light at highway speeds. Another feature that sold me was how much legroom there is in the backseat, especially the fact that you can recline the backseat a little bit and also push it a few inches back to create more legroom. There is definitely more legroom in the front and back than in my BMW, even though my BMW was a few inches longer than this car. I love the look of the RAV4 hybrid XLE and it has more cargo room, but if you check the user reviews, you’ll see that the Escape hybrid actually beats it in mpg and in my area, I would’ve paid $8k - $9k more for a similar used RAV4 so I felt like the Escape hybrid was a better value overall. I rarely buy extended warranties with cars, but I did with this one since it was such a good deal at only $4000 but it gave me seven years of extended coverage and up to 80,000 more miles, whichever comes first. Considering how tariffs will affect car part pricing and car repair bills, I thought this was a an exceptional value, just like the car itself. I’ve only had it for three weeks, but I am really enjoying driving the car and seeing how little gas it sips.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Carbonized Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony/Roast
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-30
- Fuel type
- Regular gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 1.5L I-3 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve co
- Stock #
- 261930
- VIN
- 3FMCR9CN2TRF03074
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Brighton Ford - MIReviews
Brighton Ford - MI review
Brighton Ford is a family-friendly, low-pressure, hassle-free, reliable place to get your next vehicle, and we highly recommend seeing Jerry Niskar when you go! Not only do we love working with him, but our extended family does too. Super down-to-earth, kind, knowledgeable gentleman who is really funny too. It's so nice to go there and take your time looking around without feeling any pressure. Jerry hears your needs and always finds a great deal. And options! We just bought our 16 year old her first car, and Jerry was great pointing us in the right direction of which cars were the safest and best for what she'd use it for. We left feeling great that we visited, and we plan to see him again for all of our vehicle needs.
2026 Ford Bronco Sport review
The Bronco Sport is one of the best vehicles I have ever owned. The different settings of G.O.A.T. Mode are awesome! (G.O.A.T. = Go On All Terrain) Normal, Slippery, Eco, and Off-Road. I have a hillside in my backyard. Previous vehicles (4x4's) sometimes had trouble maneuvering the hillside, but using the Off-Road mode, I am able to drive around my yard with no problem. I get between 26 and 32mpg on regular unleaded fuel. Probably the only thing I do not particularly care for is the lane assist. It is helpful, but also can be annoying! If you have the cruise set, the lane assist will keep you centered in the lane. However, if you attempt to switch lanes without using an indicator, the vehicle tries to keep you in the lane you were in when you set the cruise. The cargo area is awesome! I love the fact that there is a bit of a "lip" to prevent anything from sliding out of the back. It is amazing! The stereo is awesome. The bass is awesome and it's factory! One other thing I love about this vehicle is that it absolutely has the get-up-and-go when you want/need to kick it down and put distance between you and other vehicles. I also love that I have the option of opening the rear window if I do not feel like opening the entire back liftgate. My previous vehicle did not have that option.
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Vehicle Information
- Int. color
- Pastel Slate Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.4L I-4 DOHC, regular unleaded, engine with 150HP
- Stock #
- 591397
- VIN
- 3A8FY48959T591397
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
Dealer
Aric's Autos LLCReviews
2009 Chrysler PT Cruiser review
I got my 2009 PT cruiser this past May for $300. It was Is wrecked , left front headlight and finder and wiped out the lower control arm. Except for that this PT cruiser was in excellent condition I mean everything in it works and no interior damage what so ever She just needed a little T L C , which I gave her I replaced the lower control arm headlight and finder cleaned it inside and out Did a l o f and tuned it up , and with 92,000 thousand miles on the2.4L this PT cruiser runs excellent At this point , buying it and fixing it I am right at a Thousand dollars invested I have had two officers, one for 3,500 the other for 4,200 Which I turned down I can't get anything this nice that runs so excellent for the money I drove a rental PT cruiser many years ago, and it ran good I love my PT cruiser and plan on buying some fixer uppers to save for myself Every car made has some kind of issues , one time or another If you get a chance , check a PT cruiser out
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sterling Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 1.5L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- MF7T178810A
- VIN
- 3GNAXHEG2SL103907
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Feldman Chevrolet of NoviReviews
Feldman Chevrolet of Novi review
Great Prices . Quick Delivery. Pleasant Employees. Good job explaining new car and how all the features work. Good clean and detailed Delivery. All were Friendly.
2025 Chevrolet Equinox review
Love everything about this SUV, can’t believe i found such a great vehicle for under 30K in this market! The body design actually looks more expensive than it is, and it sits pretty high which I love, very roomy inside, and drives so smooth people keeps thinking it’s an EV, And it comes with all the new tech amenities that all new vehicles have nowadays
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$6,235
Est. $113/mo Dick Scott Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM
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- Ext. color
- Ashen Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.4L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, regular
- Stock #
- P20149
- VIN
- 2GNALAEK5E1136817
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Dick Scott Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAMReviews
Dick Scott Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM review
Larry Welsh is an outstanding salesman. He took plenty of time with me and explained everything so well. I would definitely recommend Larry to friends.
2014 Chevrolet Equinox review
Great value. It has been a great car for the money. I could not of found better. Bought new and it lasted 13 years and 130k miles and all I had to do was the listed maintenance plan. A large negative is that XM radio station can't be deleted. I have had to listen to that XM advertisement a million times. I can't figure out how it always finds its way back to being selected so it plays that f^@7i#g ad,
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$23,309
Est. $421/mo LaFontaine Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram of Walled Lake
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- Ext. color
- Horizon Blue
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, regular
- Stock #
- 6M593P
- VIN
- JF2SKAEC9NH415503
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
LaFontaine Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram of Walled LakeReviews
LaFontaine Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram of Walled Lake review
A failed shock absorber was replaced in a timely manner. A courtesy ride was offered, which was nice. The work was done professionally and I was kept informed at all times during the process.
2022 Subaru Forester review
My purchase history has been that of a General Motors enthusiast. My wife worked with Subaru owners; they had no complaints. Decades of commercial truck driving exposed me to witnessing the site's of too many bad accidents. The Subaru safety record has earned my loyalty.
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$15,574
Est. $281/mo Suburban Volkswagen of Farmington Hills
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- Ext. color
- Sparkling Silver
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed A/T
- Engine
- Theta II 2.4L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve
- Stock #
- L7821402B
- VIN
- KNDPMCAC2L7821402
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Suburban Volkswagen of Farmington HillsReviews
2020 Kia Sportage review
First off I would like to say that I am a huge car enthusiast who has owned many different cars in my 60 plus years. My most recent cars have been a 2017 Honda Pilot, 2022 Honda CRV and 2023 Toyota Highlander. The Pilot was nice but the CVT transmission drove me nuts with the way it jerked and shifted. The 2022 CRV was also nice but the electronics and bluetooth connectivity were SOOO bad!! The FWD Highlander with new turbo engine was a huge disappointment. I felt unsafe on curvy two lane roads.....like it didn't feel like it was gripping the road properly. It also had terrible turbo lag that was highly frustrating and dangerous feeling. When I would push it hard to get it going, it would almost skid out once it got going. The wireless apple CarPlay was its best feature but generally speaking the electronics were a nightmare and required a subscription to work best. You had to push multiple things to get to your radio and it was all so poorly designed. I had been having severe buyer remorse with the Highlander and started looking again. I drove a RAV4 and it was too underpowered and buzzy for my liking. Also drove a new Mazda CX-50 but was having a hard time spending the dollars on another new car since I would be losing on the Highlander trade. Long story short, we purchased a 2019 Kia Sportage EX for my college aged daughter in 2021. It was affordable, had good reviews and a longer warranty than everything else. She has loved it!! Turns out we have not needed the warranty even one time in these past two years. Only simple oil changes and tire rotations. She's away this summer so my husband and I have been driving her car periodically. During these drives, I decided I like her car so much, that I traded my Highlander for a certified pre-owned 2020 Sportage SX Turbo! I am SOOO thrilled with my decision!! The build is heavy and solid, visibility is incredible and driving it is SO much FUN! Feels like you're driving a Mercedes or BMW but at an extremely affordable price. The controls are so simple that I've not consulted the manual more than a couple of times. Everything has its own button and, although the car is loaded to the brim with every option you can imagine, it's all so easy to navigate and use. Kia made a winner here and I hope they continue on this path of using quality materials and easy to navigate electronics. If so I will be a loyal Kia fan forever!!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Mosaic Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-31
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, VVT variable valve con
- Stock #
- L6182037P
- VIN
- 2GNAXJEV2L6182037
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Audi NoviReviews
Audi Novi review
Overall the experience was very good. The only problem was that the vehicle preparation team was behind and it took longer than expected for the vehicle to be available after signing all of the necessary paperwork with the finance manager.
2020 Chevrolet Equinox review
I went for the annual emissions test and it failed because of the evaporator in the charcoal area. There is perhaps a weak voltage going into the system.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black Granite Metallic
- Int. color
- Light Titanium/Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- ECOTEC 2.4L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve
- Stock #
- D6217822P
- VIN
- 2GNFLGEK6D6217822
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Audi NoviReviews
Audi Novi review
I went into the dealership to test drive a Q8 ETron I left with a new EV vehicle! Wow right! I never thought that I would ever purchase an Electric car! Audi sold me on the wave of the future? I?m proud of my decision go figure
2013 Chevrolet Equinox review
I owned this car for 10 years (2013 purchased in 2012). Spent less than $3k in repairs over those 10 years. With regular oil changes and good tires reached 135k miles comfortably and quietly. Buying a new Equinox looking forward to another 10+ years
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Jasmine Green Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- EH549280A
- VIN
- JF2SJAEC1EH549280
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Suburban HondaReviews
Suburban Honda review
A great all around experience, from the purchase to the delivery.
2014 Subaru Forester review
I was between a rock and a hard place after my Honda passed away-it drove itself to its demise due to the handbrake not on tight enough. So I had nothing to trade, no leverage. I know Subarus owned many Outbacks and they go forever. The problem is I'm 5' tall and this car is too big for me after the Honda and a Miata I have. I had 2 big dogs and felt the car would be great for a dog owner. Which it is. One dog rode on the back seat (covered) the other had the back to herself. Great for a dog owner. If you need a crate there's plenty of room. This would be a great vehicle for a children or pet family. I only have one 10 yr old dog left and this uses too much gas for me to consider a practical vehicle.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Autumn Green Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 35-34
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V GDI DOHC Hybrid
- Stock #
- SH429965A
- VIN
- JF2SLSED8SH429965
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Suburban HondaReviews
Suburban Honda review
I was a walk in first time customer and assigned to Mr. Raj Pallai an experienced salesman. He was affable, intelligent, competent and quite responsive both to phone calls and email requests. His pricing was very competitive and he followed through on what he said he was going to deliver. It was refreshing to work with such a professional.
2025 Subaru Forester Hybrid review
I have had this car for 3 weeks and love it. The interior is so comfortable and the car is very quiet on road noise.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Agate Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 1.5L I-3 port/direct injection, DOHC, Ti-VCT variable v
- Stock #
- RUA60009P
- VIN
- 1FMCU9GN7RUA60009
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Serra Ford Farmington HillsReviews
Serra Ford Farmington Hills review
????? I had an absolutely outstanding experience at Serra Ford, and I can't say enough great things about my sales guy Will and the entire team there. I came in on a Saturday morning knowing exactly what I wanted in an F-150, and Will made it his mission to check every single box. He listened, he delivered, and he never made me feel rushed or pressured. Finding the right truck with all my specific requirements could have easily turned into a stressful, multi-week ordeal ? but Will made it feel effortless. What really blew me away was how smoothly everything came together. From the moment I walked in to the moment I drove off the lot, the entire process ? test drive, negotiation, financing, and delivery ? was handled all in one Saturday morning. That kind of efficiency is rare in any industry, let alone car buying. The finance team was just as impressive ? quick, transparent, and no surprises. Everything was clearly explained and handled with professionalism. If you're in the market for a Ford and want a buying experience that's actually enjoyable, ask for Will at Serra Ford. He and his team have set the gold standard for what car buying should feel like. I drove away in my dream F-150 with a huge smile on my face, and I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat. Highly recommend! ??
2024 Ford Escape review
I’ve had extreme trouble getting into and out of the vehicle because the floor is so deep to the door. I now have a permanently injured knee. The doors don’t open wide enough for my knee that doesn’t bend completely. That causes me discomfort. Senior people can’t always bend their joints enough to get into and out of this vehicle. But I do love how it handles and also the great features.
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$22,273
Est. $403/mo Suburban Volkswagen of Farmington Hills
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- Ext. color
- Infinite Black
- Int. color
- Ebony/Cashew
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed A/T
- Engine
- EcoBoost 2.3L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, Ti-VCT variable valve
- Stock #
- LUL12260P
- VIN
- 5LMCJ2DH1LUL12260
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Suburban Volkswagen of Farmington HillsReviews
2020 Lincoln Corsair review
I purchased a Corsair used after a test drive. I love the leg room and all of the features it has. It is comfortable, drives very nice, is quiet, has plenty of power and I really like the good gas mileage. I think it’s a classy looking SUV and it looks very nice in my garage.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Space Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 1.5L I-3 port/direct injection, DOHC, Ti-VCT variable v
- Stock #
- SUA19257P
- VIN
- 1FMCU9GN0SUA19257
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Serra Ford Farmington HillsReviews
Serra Ford Farmington Hills review
Jim Grzywacz was really fantastic! He went to bat for me, when I really needed to get to my budget. Would definitely visit Serra Ford again.
2025 Ford Escape review
Overall the car is great. I bought the trailer towing model and the towing features work seamlessly with my light trailer. It has the power to easily pull the 2000 pound trailer I use. There are a couple fit and finish issues where the hood doesn't quite line up with the fender, but I am fussy about these things and other people might not even notice. I have the larger infotainment screen which has some positives. But almost all the controls go through the screen and my eyesight isn't the best so it is difficult to make selections while the vehicle is in motion. Also, the learning curve is rather steep and the paper owners manual is not much help. The A/C controls are all on the screen and hard to change while in motion.
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$4,812
Est. $87/mo Suburban Toyota of Farmington Hills
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Granite Crystal Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- MultiAir 2.4L I-4 variable valve control, regular gasoline, engi
- Stock #
- FW553104P
- VIN
- 1C4PJMCB5FW553104
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Suburban Toyota of Farmington HillsReviews
Suburban Toyota of Farmington Hills review
Tanner and Abdul excellent to work with - efficient, cooperative, professional and never any pressure. Car delivered on time. Highly recommend and appreciate great experience!
2015 Jeep Cherokee review
Purchased new in 2015. Have only done 1 repair in 129k, which was fixing oil leak at oil filter housing. Solid car, great in rain and snow. Thoroughly enjoy this car
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Magnetic Metallic
- Int. color
- Charcoal Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, iVCT variable valve control, intercooled turbo, regular gasoline, engine with 179HP
- Stock #
- 6PC4057W
- VIN
- 1FMCU9HD6KUA96463
Features
- Convenience
- Power Liftgate
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet PlymouthReviews
LaFontaine Chevrolet Plymouth review
The best I?ve ever had. And I have had many. Amar was very knowledgeable about all aspects of buying a new car and was very helpful in the selections of certain options and colors. I will call him the next time I?m in the market for a new car.
2019 Ford Escape review
I Loved my 2019 Ford Escape! It was my third Escape, as I previously owned a 2005, and a 2011! Sadly, it was my last as FORD's new version of the Escape is AWFUL! I NEVER had one issue with my 2019, and I drove over 94,000 miles over the 6 1/2 Years that I owned it! However, the resale value SUCKS! I know it's just the game they play at the dealers, but it's an ugly game where the consumer always loses! But - it's only money,,, and you can't take it with you!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Steel Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, CVVT variable valve control, regular gasoline, engine with 187HP
- Stock #
- 6PC6813N
- VIN
- KNDPVCDF5R7292555
Features
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet PlymouthReviews
2024 Kia Sportage review
Great customer service. My Kia Sportage drives very comfortably. Love the heated seats. Great for carrying large items cause you can put the back seats down.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sterling Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Medium Ash Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, intercooled turbo, regular gasoline, engine with 175HP
- Stock #
- 6PC6748N
- VIN
- 3GNAXSEG6RL150655
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet PlymouthReviews
2024 Chevrolet Equinox review
In December, 2025 I purchased my Chevrolet Equinox from Bennett Chevrolet in Egg Harbor Township, NJ. I was very pleased with my salesman, Jon DeNick the process was quick and professional. I just love my new car and would recommend this car to anyone looking for comfort and safety!
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$28,165
Est. $509/mo LaFontaine Chevrolet of Dexter
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- 6C464N
- VIN
- 5LMCJ1DA2RUL22298
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet of DexterReviews
LaFontaine Chevrolet of Dexter review
Very helpful and very kind ppl to be around, I will be bringing my vehicle back to have work done any time i need work done!
2024 Lincoln Corsair review
Bought a 2024 plug in Hybrid model in 2026 for 33,000. Car had 25,000 miles. I am overjoyed with the milage! With local driving I am getting 85MPG!!. Ride you would expect from. Lincoln. A few mild rattles on bumps and front doors if you crank the sterio. Only other concern is lack of mechanical buttons for cabin heat and air.. I bought the car to stop paying $$$ for feul in my Mercedes and it has accomplished that in spades. Very pleased...
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Ash
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Dynamic Force 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, VVT-iE variable valve control, regular gasoline, engine with 203HP
- Stock #
- 6PC6789P
- VIN
- 2T3P1RFV4NW321383
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet PlymouthReviews
LaFontaine Chevrolet Plymouth review
Excellent experience, Dan was friendly and professional. He got me a fantastic car! He made the whole experience very easy and fast. I would definitely recommend him to my friends.
2022 Toyota RAV4 review
Drove this '22 Rav4 throughout the US SW for over 3000 miles in 2 weeks without any problems and averaged 30+ mpg. Went through CO, UT, NV, CA, AZ, NM. Pleasant to drive and certainly comfortable enough. I have no complaints at the moment, and it doesn't have the CVT!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Reef Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Maple Sugar
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, intercooled turbo, regular unleaded, engine with 175HP
- Stock #
- 6PC6889A
- VIN
- 3GNAXSEG6SL190689
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet PlymouthReviews
2025 Chevrolet Equinox review
My 2025 Chevrolet Equinox LT has been a great all-around SUV for daily driving. It offers a smooth, comfortable ride, a quiet cabin, and plenty of space for passengers and cargo. The infotainment system is easy to use, and features like wireless Apple CarPlay/Android Auto and the built-in safety technologies make it feel modern and convenient. Performance is solid for everyday needs, and the fuel economy has been very good. Overall, the Equinox LT is a practical, reliable, and well-equipped compact SUV that delivers great value for the price.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Atlas White
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Nu PE 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine with 147HP
- Stock #
- 6PC6717N
- VIN
- KM8HA3AB8SU234279
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet PlymouthReviews
LaFontaine Chevrolet Plymouth review
My husband and I great experience when we recently leased two new vehicles with a trade-in at the Plymouth Lafontaine. Austin, our salesman made sure the process of leasing and the trade-in went smoothly by explaining every step a long the way and answered any questions we had. Also, Austin a long with Lafontaine team members worked together to make sure we were completely satisfied. We have purchased many GM vehicles over the years and appreciate their professionalism and making us feel part of Lafontaine family. If you?re thinking of leasing or purchasing a vehicle I highly recommend going to Lafontaine of Plymouth. Austin and the rest of the team will give you the same experience and satisfaction we had.
2025 Hyundai KONA review
Smooth ride. Love this car. Got the neon yellow. Stands out and it's different than just the plain colors. My kids loved to color too.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Lakeshore Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, intercooled turbo, regular gasoline, engine with 175HP
- Stock #
- 6PC6922N
- VIN
- 3GNAXHEG1TL106105
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet PlymouthReviews
LaFontaine Chevrolet Plymouth review
Our experience with La Fontaine Chevrolet was a wonderful experience. People are very helpful and friendly. Made the process of purchasing a vehicle very easy thank you.
2026 Chevrolet Equinox review
Great car, bought 2 new cars at gateway Chevy in Fargo, I would not recommend it! No call back on the vehicle to see how they are doing, also the person who referred us there never got the $100 dollar referral money despite numerous calls. I have 2 separate emails from august saying someone will contact me, still waiting for those calls. So that will be the last time I go there or anyone in my family.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Mosaic Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, intercooled turbo, regular gasoline, engine with 175HP
- Stock #
- 6PC6873N
- VIN
- 3GNAXKEGXRL169595
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet PlymouthReviews
2024 Chevrolet Equinox review
WANTED ONE FOR A LONG LONG TIME! FINALLY PURCHASED ONE & COULD NOT BE HAPPIER!! ALWAYS HAD A CHEVY, LAST ONE WAS A CHEVY CRUZE, HAD FOR 13YEARS. ALSO A GREAT CAR. I EXPECT TO HAVE THIS CAR FOR A LONG TIME. THANKS CHEVY!!!
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$18,305
Est. $331/mo LaFontaine Chevrolet of Dexter
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal White Metallic
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Hybrid
- Stock #
- 6C447V
- VIN
- YV4BR0DM6J1003392
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet of DexterReviews
LaFontaine Chevrolet of Dexter review
Very good service. Appointment was on time. Personnel were courteous and knowledgeable. Waiting area was comfortable and well equipped. A video of the work performed was provided,
2018 Volvo XC60 Recharge Plug-In Hybrid review
A bit more of a wagon than a suv. Love the luxury package. The seat massage and pilot assist are my favorite features. Smooth ride!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Granite Crystal Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Dark Slate Gray
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.4L I-4 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine with 172HP
- Stock #
- 6PC3799A
- VIN
- 1C4NJDEB4HD127066
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- USB Port
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet PlymouthReviews
2017 Jeep Compass review
Now in my 6th year with my 2017 and still like it. My complaints are simple. Needs larger fuel tank, better gas mileage considering its size and engine, would prefer manual transmission, and get rid of the xxxx engine shut off function. Love the size, comfortable, still seems solid. My only repair was replacement of the satnav unit that crapped out.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Lakeshore Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black w/Red Accents
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, intercooled turbo, regular gasoline, engine with 175HP
- Stock #
- 6PC6833N
- VIN
- 3GNAXWEG9RL186833
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet PlymouthReviews
2024 Chevrolet Equinox review
I've had my fwd lt for a few months now. Great car. At first I thought it was a bit underpowered, but it more than makes up for it in fuel economy. Clean interior, not too many buttons and the standard screen is small but really intuitive to use. Overall an excellent vehicle that fully meets my needs
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Stellar Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Sedona/Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, intercooled turbo, premium gasoline, engine with cylinder deactivation and 237HP
- Stock #
- 6PC6891P
- VIN
- 1GYFZFR44LF073165
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Power Liftgate
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Memory Seat
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet PlymouthReviews
LaFontaine Chevrolet Plymouth review
Very kind and considerate, Gave me the best deal I could ask for. The Managers treated me like family. I don?t believe I could of found a better dealership.
2020 Cadillac XT4 review
We discussed with friends a solid American vehicle to serve as a daily driver and saw good bones with the distinctive exterior/interior design and technologically advanced XT4 Sport (20” wheels). The 2.0-liter turbocharged engine handles everyday driving and quick passing maneuvers without issue. The 9-speed automatic transmission is generally smooth but does seek the perfect gear, particularly in low-speed traffic. For many, the OEM setup may be just fine, however, we opted to “refine” a few of the Luxury & Sport options that the original owner passed on (we're the 2nd owners) and now enjoy climbing into the cockpit of this daily transporter! See the complete journey: http://www.cadillacforums.com/threads/20-xt4-sport-stellar-black-elegance.1150198/?post_id=18320427&nested_view=1&sortby=oldest#post-18320427
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, intercooled turbo, regular gasoline, engine with 175HP
- Stock #
- 7PC0360A
- VIN
- 3GNAXHEG7TL106514
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
LaFontaine Chevrolet PlymouthReviews
2026 Chevrolet Equinox review
The Equinox is a nice SUV, that can be fully loaded and still not break the bank. My Equinox has full power, A/C & heated seats, sunroof with a fully, customizable, large display panel. The rear seats are also heated and comfortable to ride in with plenty of room. The heated steering wheel wraps up the luxury. The engine is a little anemic with a 1.5l turbo and FWD with the CVT transmission. With one person, it is okay, but as you add people, the engine bogs down. However, the mpg whether loaded or not are fantastic with my average of 26mpg consistently. The ride is very comfortable and it competes with many luxury brands for comfort and ride. The design and sleek front end make it a very attractive drive. I would say that if you are looking for a fully appointed vehicle in the crossover size SUVs that won’t break the bank, check out the Equinox. Whether a daily driver, a small family or traveling, this platform provides high comfort and good quality that competes in this marketplace.
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$33,785
Est. $611/mo Dobbs Hyundai of Columbus
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Amazon Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 37-36
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.6L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo Hybrid
- Stock #
- PU9088
- VIN
- KM8JCDD17TU416528
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
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$27,579
Est. $498/mo Ewald Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAM
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- DP56601
- VIN
- 5LMCJ2D90NUL27408
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Ewald Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAMReviews
Ewald Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAM review
Kudos to my salesman Howard Robinson on customer service and follow up. Great person to work with and a great resource for information on my Pacifica
2022 Lincoln Corsair review
Going on 23months with the Corsair. First the bad. Have had the backup camera replaced twice(common issue from what I hear). Slightly overpriced when you add options. Sunglass holder broke(button snapped off) so won’t stay closed. I’m expecting it to be fixed free next oil change. Also. This SUV needs TLC to look its best and to maintain interior. I’m a detail car nut. So I keep everything like new as best I can. However? The interior of this vehicle, because of all the piano black gloss, MUST be cleaned and I would suggest, ceramic protected, to look it’s best. That includes the outside. I ceramic myself and is easy to do with many choice products online. If you have little kids or teenagers though? The interior is gonna get trashed, scuffed or something broken. When kept clean and shiny, inside and out, this little SUV is stunning to look at and sit in. The stock stereo is not the best however. Not bad, but not great. If you really love your music. Pay for the upgrade. The difference is huge. Luckily I test drove both before realizing I wanted the better stereo. But? If you just like your music at normal levels and don’t want a thumping subwoofer. The base system is fine. The good. Pure American style, old school, luxury/comfort. Unique and Art-Deco inspired interior. Very quiet vehicle at all speeds and more then enough power for fast driving when needed. This vehicle may be the smallest Lincoln, but it has gusto. Gas mileage is perfectly exceptable for the class and I average about 29-30mpg on highway, which is where I do most of my driving. I like understated luxury. All the German interior bling is way to much for my taste and Lincoln fits my lifestyle/personality better. No mechanical issues as of yet and the engine and transmission seem to get good reviews for longevity. I generally keep my vehicles for 100,000 to 150,000 miles or 8-9 years. I did purchase through Lincoln the extended Warranty, which covers most issues up to 100.000 miles. My Volvo, Lexus, never had any major issues. My Volvo XC 60 gave me 175k miles without major problems. Sold it for 3k and my 2016 Lexus NX has 125k and still runs like new with just brakes, tires, oil and spark plug changes. Am I excpecting that kind of reliability with a Ford product? We shall see. All in all? My first American car in decades and as of now very happy with choice., 4-5 years of ownership is going to be the telling point however, so hoping for NO headaches.