Used Ford cars for sale near Bath, MI
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Agate Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- E85 Flex Fuel
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 5.0L V8
- Stock #
- UL0743A
- VIN
- 1FTFW1E59PFA52687
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Premium Sound System
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Serra Auto CampusReviews
Serra Auto Campus review
My husband and I were recently on an extended trip from NC to Alabama to Michigan and upstate NY. Our S550 decided to break down just outside Lansing. The airmatic suspension failed and car was not safe to drive. Lucky for us we were only a few miles from this dealership. We called and Eric Shier took us right in when we arrived. Had the car assessed by Ali in short order. He was able to order the parts and had us back on the road in two days - no quibbling about not having time to get to us till next week, etc. And Ali even helped us transfer our luggage to the rental vehicle and reassured us that he knows his way around the S class. We count ourselves very lucky to have had that breakdown near your dealership. Excellent care from both these gentlemen. Might even have to visit family in Michigan the next time we are in the market for a car. Thank you
2023 Ford F-150 review
THIS TRUCK IS QUIET, POWERFUL HAS SPACIOUS REAR SEATING, LOTS OF STORAGE AND ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES YOU NEED PLUS A WONDERFUL MUSIC SOUND SYSTEM. THE BLUE CRUISE IS FANTASTIC
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Shadow Black
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- 6LM394V
- VIN
- 2FMPK4G97JBC35639
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
LaFontaine Mitsubishi LansingReviews
2018 Ford Edge review
Such a nice car. A.C. and heated seats,great climate control,great seats with adjustable lumbar support, sky roof, a big get up and go boost, fabulous indoor and outdoor lighting, non cheap leather seats and the dash computer is very doable for me ( being such a Luddite!)!Just absolutely a happy gal having picked this titanium Edge! Will love it until the wheels fall off.
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$18,209
Est. $329/mo LaFontaine Mitsubishi Lansing
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- Ext. color
- Area 51
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I3 12V PDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- 6LM377V
- VIN
- 3FMCR9C6XMRB05508
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
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LaFontaine Mitsubishi LansingReviews
2021 Ford Bronco Sport review
Generally the styling is nice, you really can see where the older Escape was used as the basis for this vehicle. The interior is nice and comfortable. Ford missed the mark on storage. The dead space behind the screen, as one example. You can buy a bin that will fit very nicely in that spot. Mileage has been good. Road noise can be a little much as times, and the ride can get a little jittery at speed. There is an odd shudder between 35 and 40mph, that the service tech said is from "cylinder deactivation". Ford and other manufacturers have had this technology for a long time. Seems hard to believe that Ford would screw it up. Was told that it happens in Eco or Normal mode. In Sport mode it's less noticeable, and doesn't really effect the mileage that much. Tried it, didn't see much of a difference. Other issue is legroom in the back seat. I'm 6'4" (and it's surprisingly easy for me to get in and out), but I need to have the seat back a bit. Leaves very little room for a back seat passenger. Overall, pretty good vehicle. Hopefully in the next gen, they'll correct some of these issues.
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$13,323
Est. $241/mo Les Stanford Chevrolet Cadillac
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Shadow Black
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- E-CVT Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, variable valve control, regular gasoline, engine wi
- Stock #
- 261531B
- VIN
- 3FA6P0LU1JR253257
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Les Stanford Chevrolet CadillacReviews
Les Stanford Chevrolet Cadillac review
First class dealership. No pressure buying. Great service department that doesn?t try to oversell the need for services, but still does a fantastic job.!
2018 Ford Fusion Hybrid review
The Ford Fusion was a modest priced sedan, low maintenance, great mileage and the hybrids are so smooth compared to all the other brands. I've own 6 of them since 2010. When Ford stopped making the Fusion after 2020 and decided to give away their sedan line, the copy cat models of Hyundai and Toyota both increased sales in the 20% range. Gas, oil and little electricity for the plug-in and these near maintenance free cars just go and go. I've put as much as 165,000 on them without issue.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- White
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 302 V8
- Stock #
- 144804
- VIN
- U5UW144804XXXXXXX
Dealer
Salem AutosportsReviews
Salem Autosports review
Very professional and welcoming let me check the truck out throughly good service very friendly
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$7,969
Est. $144/mo Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor
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- Ext. color
- Deep Impact Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Charcoal Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-34
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- E5386193A
- VIN
- 1FA6P0HD6E5386193
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann ArborReviews
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor review
Tom my salesman was great all the staff was very friendly. The managers Paul, Andrew, and Adam were all around just great guys to work with. First time I have ever bought a non GM vehicle and this dealership has it together. 90 mins start to finish it was amazing.
2014 Ford Fusion review
I have had my 2014 Fusion Titanium for 10 years, i bought it with 12K miles and now have 145K. this is the best car I have ever owned. besides regular maintenance, i have had 0 issues. Everything still works, no leaks runs great. Definately a good car.
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$33,729
Est. $610/mo Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor
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- Ext. color
- Cactus Green / Gray
- Int. color
- Black Onyx
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-17
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.7L V6 24V PDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- NLA89821G
- VIN
- 1FMEE5DP3NLA89821
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann ArborReviews
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor review
Stephany worked really hard to make sure the car was exactly what I was looking for. I was very specific with my requirements and she made sure I was taken care of. It was a rainy day & she had my car in the showroom so I could inspect it thoroughly before taking it for a drive. I was impressed with her attention to detail!
2022 Ford Bronco review
Reliable with excellent features, looks sleek and drives great! The ability to switch from two to four wheel drive helps save gas mileage. The ride is smooth and with the top down it’s a real treat to drive around on a warm day.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-20
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V PDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- CA423
- VIN
- 1FTEW1E80PFC71141
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Extreme Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAMReviews
Extreme Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM review
Never any issues with buying or leasing a vehicle, Bill Vandam is great to work with and is always there to help the customer. The only place I will go to shop for a vehicle.
2023 Ford F-150 review
My experience is very positive. Great looks. Great power. Fit finish inside and out first class. Handling on road no complaints. Off road the truck is a beast. 34” tires help appearance and ground clearance. I think it’s the right choice in this segment of trucks. But man the recalls blow. This axle bolt half shaft one has taken forever to get done. It kinda throws manure on a great truck. Other than that it’s a keeper ! The ecoboost 3.5 is really strong. It also sounds like a small V6 which is not so great. As long as it keeps small V6ing and doesn’t break I’m good. But no coyote sound check needed. The paint is maybe the biggest surprise. It’s really good. Interior highlights are just normal comfortable observations. Nothing over the top but adequate. It handles deep snow well. It handles 75 mph in 100 degree heat well. It’s smooth sleek and fast. Stopping power is real good. I’d buy another one for sure. It has the recall issues but they all do so that’s all l gotta say about that.
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$8,809
Est. $159/mo Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor
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- Ext. color
- White Platinum Tri-Coat Metallic
- Int. color
- Charcoal Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- HUA87372G
- VIN
- 1FMCU9G95HUA87372
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann ArborReviews
2017 Ford Escape review
Great vehicle. Never had issues. Do regular maintenance, especially oil changes. Any Ford before ‘20 model year is good as long as you service it.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Race Red
- Int. color
- Black Onyx
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 5.0L V8 32V PDI DOHC
- Stock #
- P37641B
- VIN
- 1FAGP8FF8R5124303
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Al Serra Auto PlazaReviews
Al Serra Auto Plaza review
Labid Jajou was easy to work with. Responsive, friendly and honest. I would work with him and this dealership again.
2024 Ford Mustang review
Excellent value for the price. Do not purchase this vehicle without the active exhaust option. The fake vents are disappointing but otherwise the car is perfect.
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$14,663
Est. $265/mo Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor
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- Ext. color
- Silver
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- M1490671G
- VIN
- NM0GE9E21M1490671
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann ArborReviews
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor review
Received great info.Thank you for your help. I will stop by when I am in Ann Arbor.
2021 Ford Transit Connect review
Good little van for maintenance work. Wont haul all my tools, but enough to get most jobs done, including a 5x10 trailer on the back with no issues.
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$66,891
Est. $1,209/mo Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor
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- Ext. color
- Agate Black
- Int. color
- Java
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 6.7L V8 32V DDI OHV Turbo Diesel
- Stock #
- RED99618A
- VIN
- 1FT8W3BT4RED99618
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann ArborReviews
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor review
I dealt with Doug E. Fresh at the dealership and he provided an unprecedented demonstration of professionalism ans salesmanship. After submitting my query online, Doug E. Fresh was the first person to follow up on my request, get me the information I needed, and went on to sell me a car, within about 2 days. My search for a car was very strategic so when it came time to buy, I already knew EXACTLY what I wanted. Doug was able to put my work to reality, and now I am a proud owner of my FIRST Chrysler product. Because I was pressed for time, and very particular, I had my doubts, especially having talked to so so many people responding to my request for information. The entire transaction was handled like text book, find what you want, talk to Doug, sign and drive. The way car buy is supposed to be in the next generation of eCar buying. Go see this guy, he is AWESOME ! Thanks again Doug, the ride is AMAZING ! Maybe I'll come back and buy a Hellcat next time.
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Est. $758/mo Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor
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- Ext. color
- Star White
- Int. color
- Black Onyx
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-22
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V PDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- NEA12533PP
- VIN
- 1FMJK1MT7NEA12533
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann ArborReviews
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor review
They provided great customer service..I plan to go back and will recommend them.
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$56,972
Est. $1,030/mo Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor
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- Ext. color
- Agate Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Dark Palazzo Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- SKA80968A
- VIN
- 1FBAX9CG5SKA80968
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Automatic Parking
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Star White Metallic Tri-Coat
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-22
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 5L V-8 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, regu
- Stock #
- 10B85653P
- VIN
- 1FTFW5L56SFB85653
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Garber BuickReviews
Garber Buick review
Shaun was excellent at listening to the type of vehicle I was looking for, and also was great at sticking with the terms I was comfortable with financially. I never felt pressured into anything involving this transaction. In fact, I expressed that I had a negative experience with another dealership, he went above and beyond to take good care of me. I am very satisfied with my car buying experience and recommend Shaun and Garber Buick if you are in the market for a new vehicle.
2025 Ford F-150 review
Very nice truck. Full comfort platinum. Full power 3.5 Ecoboost with performance package. Smooth and fast. Now let see if it gets to my 2012 F150 FX4 with 150000 miles and still great!
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$11,550
Est. $209/mo Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann Arbor
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- Ext. color
- Blue Jeans Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- HBC26029A
- VIN
- 2FMPK4J98HBC26029
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Suburban Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Ann ArborReviews
2017 Ford Edge review
I purchased this vehicle used, with rust issues. And made the dealership paint the under belly. I did have to get a brand new motor due to some issue but it was under warrantee so no cost to me. Other than that I haven't had any major issues with the vehicle and I have owned it for 5 years now and love it! I'm not sure why they stopped making this vehicle it's so much better than the escape
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Rapid Red Metallic Tinted Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-22
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 5.0L V8
- Stock #
- 15E63842
- VIN
- 1FTFW1E58MKE63842
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
McDonald GMC CadillacReviews
McDonald GMC Cadillac review
Friendly dealership. Very much neat and clean. A good choice of used cars. Located accessible to the community. Although I believe that some of the cars are overpriced.
2021 Ford F-150 review
This F150 has been a dream to own. Looking for cash to buy a 67-68 restored Camaro. No issues every - just smooth riding up and down the interstate - taking kids to ballgames and skiing and college. empty nester now.
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