Used vehicles for sale near Gates, NY
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- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Shiftable Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 gasoline direct injection, i-VTEC variable valve contro
- Stock #
- GVF3392
- VIN
- 5FNRL6H77RB032381
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Bob Johnson UsedReviews
2024 Honda Odyssey review
An excellent comfortable kid hauler. Or if you prefer to haul a furniture it will get the job done better than a pickup truck. We love our Odyssey. This is our third Odyssey having owned a 2007. 2013 and now a 2024.
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$35,727
Est. $658/mo Vision Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Silver Mist Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Alloy/Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed 948TE Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unl
- Stock #
- CW11030
- VIN
- 2C4RC1GGXRR158629
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Vision Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
Vision Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram review
Josh was great John was great Andrew was great Drove from Long Island to pick up a new truck and trade in a truck quick easy transaction will definitely use again Thank you Anthony
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sonic Gray Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Shiftable Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 gasoline direct injection, i-VTEC variable valve contro
- Stock #
- MP1179
- VIN
- 5FNRL6H72SB002128
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Bob Johnson UsedReviews
2025 Honda Odyssey review
Abe was amazing right off the bat. He had the van ready for me to test drive after communicating via email and coordinating a schedule around my little ones needs. We weighed options on models, colors, etc, and made my trade in experience easy peasy.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Medium Pewter
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- E85 Flex Fuel
- Transmission
- 6-SPEED AUTOMATIC, HEAVY-DUTY, ELECTRONICALLY CONTROLLED
- Engine
- 8 Cylinder Engine
- Stock #
- GVF3559
- VIN
- 1GAWGEFGXK1329477
Features
- Safety
- Stability Control
Dealer
Bob Johnson UsedReviews
2019 Chevrolet Express 2500 review
it has 3 charge ares and a lot of seats for my family i have a wife and 12 children so we fit in the van perfect
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Brown
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Shiftable Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 gasoline direct injection, i-VTEC variable valve contro
- Stock #
- FZ3324
- VIN
- 5FNRL6H90SB056142
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Rear Seat Entertainment
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Bob Johnson UsedReviews
2025 Honda Odyssey review
This is our fourth and couldn't think of riding in anything other. Have spent ZERO on anything other than normal maintenance. Oil change, Tires, Battery. Love HONDA!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Panthera Metal
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Shiftable Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 port/direct injection, DOHC, CVVT variable valve contro
- Stock #
- VZ21990
- VIN
- KNDNC5H33P6300079
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Bob Johnson UsedReviews
2023 Kia Carnival review
15k miles so far and the Carnival has performed great. We purchased the LX model with cloth seats and without the seat package. We prefer cloth over leather. The engine is very powerful and smooth. Tons of space in all three rows. My neice who is "too cool for minivans" dropped her jaw when she saw all the space when the third row folded into the floor. She has one child now but I think I converted her to a minivan(MPV) fan! We have a 2004 Odyssey as well with 185k miles. Minivans for life! That's how we roll.
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Est. $0/mo Bob Johnson Used
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Frozen White
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Shiftable Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, iVCT variable valve cont
- Stock #
- GVD5347
- VIN
- NM0LS7E23L1475194
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Bob Johnson UsedReviews
Bob Johnson Used review
My sales man was the best!! Everyone was very nice and happy to help with my new purchase!! Shout out to Cole and Randy they got the job done for me while I didn’t have to do much work but show up and pull off with my new car!!
2020 Ford Transit Connect review
Bought a brand new in 2019 Transit Connect, since then we only had to change the brakes and oil !!!! Love this van. Works fine for our company needs. The money that we saved on gas alone is priceless (27/28 MPG). I decided to write this now because this is the only Ford product that didn't disappoint us. Hopefully they start making this work horse again soon.
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$28,956
Est. $533/mo Vision Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Alloy/Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- CW11071
- VIN
- 2C4RC1L70PR618366
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Vision Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
Vision Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram review
This was the best dealership I ever worked with! I drove an hour and a half to get there and it was more than worth it! The president and his family and all of the staff are so friendly and will get you the best deal for you and the car that you WANT! I have bought or leased many cars in my life and this was the best experience I ever had!
2023 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid review
I had a 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 (that I absolutely loved), but the lease was ending. Since that purchase, I have had two grandchildren, and though I could take them with me in the Ioniq, it was a tight squeeze (again, it was a GREAT car). I decided I needed something with more seating, which meant a three row SUV or a minivan. I was used to an all electric vehicle and wanted to get something that was at least hybrid. I honestly thought my days of a minivan were way behind me when my children got older so I was kind of dreading that option. The truth is I couldn't be happier. The mileage has been fantastic - I've been averaging about 50 mpg. Because the van is a plug-in hybrid, I drive a lot of local miles on all electric which helps immensely with the mileage. There is plenty of room for my kids (and their kids). Lots of places to plug in all of their devices. My wife's aunt told me that the back seats were incredibly comfortable as well. The only thing I wish it had were a few more amenities - but that is entirely my fault. I bought it used and picked up the first decently priced one I found. I should have waited a bit for one that was a bit more loaded, but again, that's on my, not the vehicle. The ride is incredibly smooth and the power is just fine for a minivan - obviously not what I was used to with the EV, but then I don't expect that. I'm enjoying driving in comfort and getting in and out is much more comfortable on my old back!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright Silver Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Medium Slate Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 4-SPEED AUTOMATIC VLP TRANSMISSION W/OD
- Engine
- 3.8L V-6 regular unleaded, engine with 215HP
- Stock #
- U6171A
- VIN
- 2D4GP44L37R158812
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Tow Hooks
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Bob Johnson UsedReviews
2007 Dodge Grand Caravan review
This car has been great for us. Very dependable and comfortable. It's a very nice family vehicle. Hate to sell it but we need a bigger vehicle.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-SPEED 948TE AUTOMATIC
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- JR28155A
- VIN
- 3C6MRVZG6PE566760
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Bob Johnson Used -



Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal Black Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 gasoline direct injection, i-VTEC variable valve contro
- Stock #
- UH18339
- VIN
- 5FNRL6H75PB057552
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Ide HondaReviews
Ide Honda review
Just bought my second Honda Civic in a year from Ide Honda since my first one was totaled from an accident. Jen and her team at Ide were able to find me the car I wanted in a day and had it ready as soon as insurance settled. Jen attends to all the details making the sale a success and putting me back on the road. She even worked on her day off to be sure everything was in perfect order. Thank you Jen and thank you Ide Honda
2023 Honda Odyssey review
This is my second Honda Odyssey Elite having traded in my 2019 for a 2023. Why did I make the trade? I hadn't had any problems with my 2019, but the trade in value of my 2019 made the purchase of a 2023 a "no brainer". I had considered purchasing a Toyota Sienna Platinum because of the fuel economy. But the price of the Toyota was so much higher than the Honda, especially when you consider that the Rear Seat Entertainment System costs extra on the Toyota and dealers are adding premiums above MSRP. I calculated I would have to drive the a Toyota around 80,000 miles before I would actually begin saving money on gasoline.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Predawn Gray Mica
- Int. color
- Graphite
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 36-36
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- Dynamic Force 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, VVT-iE/VVT-i
- Stock #
- B260518242T1
- VIN
- 5TDYRKEC9MS032911
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Vision Buick GMCReviews
Vision Buick GMC review
Phil is the most charismatic salesman I’ve ever known, he had every detail in mind to make sure I got what I wanted and he was smiling all the time, great experience! Thanks.
2021 Toyota Sienna review
The 2021 Toyota Sienna is an excellent family vehicle with impressive fuel economy. It offers a smooth, quiet ride, spacious interior, and advanced safety features, making it perfect for daily driving and long trips.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Predawn Gray Mica
- Int. color
- Graphite
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 35-36
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- Dynamic Force 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, VVT-iE/VVT-i
- Stock #
- R260516287T1
- VIN
- 5TDZSKFC9RS112854
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Rear Seat Entertainment
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Vision Kia East RochesterReviews
2024 Toyota Sienna review
i love my sienna. kristie help me with hatch problem. it was covered under warranty im so happy. my kids love so much extra space. it is very nice and hendrick employees help me with service. very happy customer
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$25,987
Est. $478/mo Vision Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Silver Mist Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Alloy/Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed 948TE Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unl
- Stock #
- C260513313T1
- VIN
- 2C4RC1BG0PR586598
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Vision Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
2023 Chrysler Pacifica review
Andrick was very nice and very helpful. I don't have the best credit or a good down payment but he did everything possible to get me into a car. Very helpful!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright Silver Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- 26577307T
- VIN
- 3C6MRVHG1ME577307
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Garber RandallReviews
Garber Randall review
I worked with Steve during my search for a used EV, and I genuinely can't say enough good things about him. Although I ultimately had to go with a different vehicle due to logistics and timing, I really wish I could’ve closed the deal with him. Steve was hands down the best salesperson I spoke with during this entire process. From the beginning, he was patient, transparent, didn't play games and was never pushy - a rare combo in my experience of car shopping. He took the time to understand what I was looking for, explained the details clearly, and even caught important details (like hail damage) before I committed, which shows integrity and a customer-first mindset. He followed up consistently without being overbearing and truly made me feel like he was working with me, not against me. He was proactive and helpful every step of the way. If you're in the market and want to work with someone who's honest, attentive, super friendly and genuinely kind, ask for Steve. He sets the bar for what a car buying experience should be. Thank you again, Steve. I really appreciate everything!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Stock #
- P719A
- VIN
- 2C4RDGEG6KR594810
Dealer
Integrity Auto Sales IncReviews
Integrity Auto Sales Inc review
I was looking for a car and stoped in and right from the go i was treated like family so i knew i was going to get great service and i was right they helped me every step of the way i will always return to integrity for sales and service thanks guys.
2019 Dodge Grand Caravan review
I never thought Dodge built the best van of the century ! It was the most convenient in style and capacity I have even seen the only thing missing is the cruise control ! So far it’s my best caravan it’s sophisticated at first cause I am old school from a dinosaur technological disadvantage era but as times goes on owning it for three weeks it gives me and my dog a haven to transportation for all our summer journey together! I love it better than my old Chrysler minivan!
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$23,995
Est. $442/mo Sound Auto Wholesalers
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Silver Mist Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- 7844
- VIN
- 2C4RC1L79PR618088
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Sound Auto WholesalersReviews
Sound Auto Wholesalers review
Kelsey and David excellent job on buying my first car. Great work . 100 percent recommend.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- GRAY
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 28718171
- VIN
- 5TDDZ3DC9HS166233
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Rear Seat Entertainment
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
CarMax EdisonReviews
CarMax Edison review
Had a vehicle delivered from elsewhere and a good experience. Quite a lengthy process but the sales rep was much easier to deal with than at conventional dealers. Would return.
2017 Toyota Sienna review
I owned a 2014 sienna limited premium and was the best vehicle I have ever owned in my 50 years of driving, owning 16 different cars, Suvs and Vans. I purchased a 2017 Toyota Sienna Limited Premium AWD and I like it but I don't like the way it shifts, its very jerky. I did get a computer engine software update that helped very much. The engine having 40 more horse power would make me think that it would have tremendous power compaired to my 2014, but it did not. So it purchased a what call (chip your car) that connects under the dash to get more refindment in the performace, to unleash the filtered performance and it did. What a difference in performance. I purchaced the chip for 150.00 and its worth every penny. I am a performance guy especially when driving a nice van. So with the Toyota Software upgrade and my computer chip upgrade now we have a nice performace running van which my 2014 had also.