Used vehicles for sale near Plainfield, IL under $6,000
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- Ext. color
- Green
- Int. color
- Beige
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-24
- Fuel type
- E85 Flex Fuel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.3L V-6 engine with 175HP
- Stock #
- WEB524556
- VIN
- 2D8HN44E89R655500
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- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
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- CD Player
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- Brake Assist
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Markham Family Auto CenterReviews
Markham Family Auto Center review
Good customer service, vehicle as described and was same in photos. Would purchase from them again
2009 Dodge Grand Caravan review
Just bought 2009 Dodge grand Caravan SXT 205,000 miles runs perfect handled. Great lots of room hideaway seats. I’m getting about 20 miles a gallon after I used a canon filter system installed and Lucas gas treatment every tank of gas got a really good deal on it paid $1500. Very little rust and my grandkids love it. Thank you.
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- Ext. color
- Stone White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.8L V-6 regular unleaded, engine with 197HP
- Stock #
- WEB540213
- VIN
- 1D8HN54P78B103216
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- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Markham Family Auto CenterReviews
Markham Family Auto Center review
Anyone that has bought a car knows how stressful it can be- With having transparency in pricing, good customer service and quick in & out experience, I’m happy to say Markham Family Auto Center is the place to buy a used vehicle. I have purchased two in the last year and they have been good to our family. Minor repairs which is to be expected with maintaining them. Anyone that thinks they can get a $2000 vehicle with low mileage has forgotten the car market has doubled after the pandemic. Thank you Markham Family Auto Center for providing us with our family cars. I’ll make sure to send my friends & family to you all.
2008 Dodge Grand Caravan review
My 08 caravan has 371,000 and still going, it has had a few issues with brakes replaced often, the front control arms and a front axel was replaced around 250,000 miles but overall I love this van so much I don't trust the newer ones, we bought brand new and purchased the lifetime wrap around warranty, so after 16 years I still drive it, although we have two newer dodge vehicles a truck and charger, I prefer my van
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Green
- Int. color
- Grey
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.8L V6
- Stock #
- WEB498770
- VIN
- 2D4GL44L77R149918
Dealer
Markham Family Auto CenterReviews
Markham Family Auto Center review
Peter Abrahamson was very good in getting me accommodated. good experience. Good. Good. Yes Yes.
2007 Dodge Grand Caravan review
It's a great van for transporting people. Dependable and comfortable. Lots of room. You sit up higher than most cars so it's easier to see everything. It's relatively easy for do it yourselfers to work on.
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- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L L4 DOHC 16V
- Stock #
- 3049
- VIN
- NM0LS6BNXAT003049
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- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Safety
- Stability Control
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South Elgin Auto SalesReviews
2010 Ford Transit Connect review
long story short if your a business owner and looking to beef up your company with an ideal company vehicle especially a cargo van THIS IS THE VAN FOR YOU i am the owner of a security company for 12 years now i have had many cargo vans FORD CHEVY DODGE but nothing beats the style of a ford econoline but i have had quite a few of those over the years on 03 / 09 / 2020 i talked to a buddy of mine who owns a used car dealership and asked if he had had any ford transit connects on the lot and ofcourse he did but i didn't want new i wanted specifically USED and i found 3 that were 2010 fully restored fully detailed with a few nice customized touches but as i said long story short BUSINESS OWNER + FORD TRANSIT CONNECT = PERFECT COMBO happy hunting to all
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$5,376
Est. $99/mo Your Choice Auto Sales of Elgin
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- Medium Pebble Beige/Cream
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 4L V-6 regular unleaded, engine with 251HP
- Stock #
- EYC-106064
- VIN
- 2A8HR64XX8R106064
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Memory Seat
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Your Choice Auto Sales of ElginReviews
Your Choice Auto Sales of Elgin review
Staff was very helpful and friendly. We felt relaxed. Good service and a great selection of cars. Thanks to Kay and the team for making the experience so easy and enjoyable.
2008 Chrysler Town & Country review
My only concern is that I cannot figure out why my car keeps turning off when I’m driving it. I’ve been close to having an accident several times because I’m driving and all of a sudden the steering wheel locks and the engine shuts down. Very dangerous
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 i-VTEC VCM variable valve control, regular unleaded, en
- Stock #
- 23501-TR
- VIN
- 5FNRL38805B093850
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
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Baha Auto of CiceroReviews
Baha Auto of Cicero review
I appreciate it and the well versed info, I would like to get further information on purchasing
2005 Honda Odyssey review
When I decided I wanted a minivan I knew I wanted a Honda. Its spacious, comfortable, has plenty of options and runs great. My only complaint is the gas mileage.
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- Ext. color
- Gold
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6 Speed Automatic
- Engine
- VQ 3.5L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleaded, engi
- Stock #
- V1191
- VIN
- JN8AE2KP2C9041309
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Golden Motors SaleReviews
2012 Nissan Quest review
It’s a people’s mover for the entire family. Everyone loves the comfortable and luxury of any long distance trip. Fully and all services done at a certified Nissan dealership.
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- Ext. color
- Aurora Black Pearl
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Lambda 3.3L V-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, CVVT variable v
- Stock #
- 11409
- VIN
- KNDMA5C13G6168691
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
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iDrive Motor Sports Inc.Reviews
iDrive Motor Sports Inc. review
Quick and easy they got me approved and gave me all the numbers before I went to see the car. Vehicle was in great condition they provided inspection report of when the vehicle got inspected and even provided the carfax where other dealer don’t. I will recommend everybody to buy a car from idrive and will definitely be back.
2016 Kia Sedona review
The Sedona is the best all around choice for giving you comfort in every ride at a very reasonable price. Many features found in more expensive SUVs.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Steel Metallic
- Int. color
- Black/Light Graystone Interior
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unl
- Stock #
- STK21806T
- VIN
- 2C4RC1BG2DR821806
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- Rear Seat Entertainment
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
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Unlimited MotorsReviews
Unlimited Motors review
Was a great experience! I’ve never bought a car from out of state before however, Spencer was knowledgeable and informative without high pressure. I’ve got a couple thousand miles on it now and everything is fine. All works good it’s exactly the car I wanted.
2013 Chrysler Town & Country review
I have enjoyed this car very much. It has 105000 miles and hasn't given me any problems. This is my fourth Chrysler van. The first one got 300,00 miles before I junked it. It was still running very good, but it was over 20 years old.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Deep Water Blue Pearl
- Int. color
- Black / Light Graystone
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- E85 Flex Fuel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC Flexible Fuel
- Stock #
- P16825A1
- VIN
- 2D4RN3DG2BR786297
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Andy Mohr ChevroletReviews
Andy Mohr Chevrolet review
Josh is always so helpful and nice as well as the service department! They got my car in and out in as quick as possible!
2011 Dodge Grand Caravan review
The Van handles well with cargo loads, drives smooth has good acceleration with plenty of power. It has been well balanced on gas I use the van for electrical I mostly do residential so not a ton of equipment needed to carry but it can hold its own.
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- Ext. color
- Bright Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black/Light Graystone Interior
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- E85 Flex Fuel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, engine with 283HP
- Stock #
- N23889
- VIN
- 2C4RC1BG8CR282963
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- Rear Seat Entertainment
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
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Baha Auto SalesReviews
Baha Auto Sales review
The whole staff was great and super helpful. Super grateful I was able to get the car of my dreams, the 2024 BMW M3 Competition
2012 Chrysler Town & Country review
We’ve only had the van a few days, but so far it has exceeded our expectations and we are very pleased with our purchase. This is our second Chrysler mini van purchase and love the design and features these vehicles offer.
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- Ext. color
- Redline 2 Coat Pearl
- Int. color
- Black/Light Graystone
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- E85 Flex Fuel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, engine with 283HP
- Stock #
- 99118A
- VIN
- 2C4RDGCG6CR407618
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
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Crosswell FordReviews
Crosswell Ford review
Taylor Ford of Manteno set the bar across the board for a perfect remote experience. From the moment I reached out with a brief inquiry on their website and their sales people were not only responsive, but extremely kind. They assisted me with walking me through the entire process. It is very hard to buy a car sight unseen but the videos and information made it easy. They even went out of their way to make sure I was satisfied even AFTER my purchase . Driving it few days later. Absolutely LOVE my red convertible mustang. Good Experience guys, 5 Stars All Around+++++ Thanks Abbie and my Sales guy!
2012 Dodge Grand Caravan review
I just bought it, but I am in love!!!! So many bells and whistles! I bought it used, but drives like a brand new vehicle!
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- Ext. color
- Glacier Blue
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- 38T1310A
- VIN
- KNDMG4C73C6418289
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
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Kunes Hyundai of SycamoreReviews
Kunes Hyundai of Sycamore review
Service is great and friendly and they will do everything they can to make sure you get your car in and out no problem. They’re awesome! -jimmy sands
2012 Kia Sedona review
Bought new for my wife in 2012. I am very particular in maintenance of all fluids & filters. 360,000 miles later and still runs like new. The most amazing thing is the “check engine” light has not even been on once. No leaks and uses no oil. Amazing vehicle!
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$5,999
Est. $111/mo Wild Bills Auto Sales
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Billet Silver Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Light Graystone
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic 6-Speed
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unl
- Stock #
- WBA-158921
- VIN
- 2C4RC1BG4ER158921
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- Rear Seat Entertainment
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Wild Bills Auto SalesReviews
Wild Bills Auto Sales review
Car drives really good, great experience with Moe. I was treated well, and he made it easy to get the car. I’m very happy and definitely recommend the dealer.
2014 Chrysler Town & Country review
Bought my T&C 2014 used in 2016 with 110K miles or maybe less. I still have my T&C in great condition. I thought of exchanging it for the new Pacifica. But, no comperising to the T&C, roomy, comfort seats and smooth ride. Yes, you got to maintain the car in order to function great. No major, issues and I'll keep it until gives it's all. I have driving it to LV, San Diego, Santa Barbara and still going. ❤️ my T&C
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Beige
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 5-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V MPFI SOHC
- Stock #
- W5237AR
- VIN
- 5FNRL5H4XBB037354
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
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Windy City MotorsReviews
Windy City Motors review
I purchased a car in early April and I had a pleasant experience. Mike the owner/manager of the facility ensured that any concerns that I may have had were addressed promptly. I’ll for sure look to purchase here in the future.
2011 Honda Odyssey review
The ride is smooth and is specifically made to be a family car. The only issue is it’s slow 0-60 second acceleration at about 8.3 seconds but that’s not really what the car was made for, just wish it could go a little quicker. Compared this with the Toyota Sienna is that the Sienna is slightly a bit quicker. However, the Odyssey has way better styling and in my personal opinion one of the nicest minivans you could get back in the 2010s.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 5-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.3L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- 408514A
- VIN
- 5TDZA23C46S408514
Features
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Exterior
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
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Nelson AutomotiveReviews
Nelson Automotive review
Everything about my experience with Nelson Auto was very positive. Sales rep Eddie was very cordial; and he had the vehicle pulled up and ready to test drive. He explained many details about this vehicle's numerous features and readily answered questions. I highly recommend Nelson Auto.
2006 Toyota Sienna review
We bought our Sienna new to take the kids to college, and back. They are all gone now. We had this car for 20 years and we loved, but after 20 years it started to require more maintenance than we were giving it. So we bought a new Toyota and are sorry to see the car go.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black / Light Graystone
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- W4009R2
- VIN
- 2C4RDGBG2DR766192
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Windy City MotorsReviews
Windy City Motors review
Alex was very professional ans I got to leave with my car very helpful go to him he will help you
2013 Dodge Grand Caravan review
I got this car approximately 3 months ago from a close relative, and I can say there have absolutely been no issues that would make you regret your decision, (knock on wood). The car has never left me stranded, and has always started. When I first got the vehicle I got basic maintenance such as a synthetic oil change, oil filter, an engine filter, and an in-cabin air filter. After some time, the check-engine light appeared due to a thermostat. After one new installment of a thermostat, and some freshly topped coolant, there have been no other issues. I give the comfort rating a 5, due to the spacious interior, and captain-chair seats. I give the interior a 4 because while it may not have "everything" you want, it has everything you need (even coming from a base model). Performance is a 4, because it's not an M3. I give the value a 4 as well simply because of the fact that you can buy one as a consumer fairly priced, and you can sell one as a seller for a decent price. Exterior is a 3, due to the largeness of the vehicle. However, LED brake lights, and rear turn signals are standard, which is really nice. And lastly, other than basic maintenance, and one mishap, I give this car a 5 star rating for reliability.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- A/T
- Engine
- 215.0HP 3.3L V6 Cylinder Engine Gasoline Fuel
- VIN
- 5TDZA22C06S584316
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- DVD Player
- Rear Seat Entertainment
- Exterior
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Reviews
2006 Toyota Sienna review
The 3.3 liter V6 is under powered especially if you carry six passengers. Had to replace a catalytic converter at 132,000 miles code po420 bank 2. a disappointment. The engine is basically a Camry engine. Toyota should of put a larger displacement engine in this van.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Stone White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Sandstone
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-22
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.8L V-6 regular unleaded, engine with 215HP
- Stock #
- 2C8545
- VIN
- 2C8GP54L81R152545
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- HomeLink
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
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CardealReviews
2001 Chrysler Town & Country review
This car was able to meet all of our family's needs, it has plenty of space inside for both, people and cargo. The ride is extremely comfortable even on the bumpy roads, no headaches whatsoever.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Olive Gray
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic 5-Speed
- Engine
- 3.8L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
- Stock #
- 243393
- VIN
- KNDMB233086243393
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Exterior
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
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Sam's AutoReviews
2008 Kia Sedona review
Very Comfortable Seating As I Live In The Car, Smooth Ride On Well Maintained Highways & Byways,Exceptional Dependability As Well,Excellent Deal On My New Kia.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Billet Silver Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Light Graystone
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic 6-Speed
- Engine
- 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, eng
- Stock #
- 257908
- VIN
- 2C4RDGBG3ER257908
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Sam's AutoReviews
2014 Dodge Grand Caravan review
I had 6 of these in the last 15 years. Mostly do breaks, change tires and fluids. NEVER in any of these did I have a transmission issue. Love the stow away seats. Plenty of power in the V6 3.6L engine. I sold 5 of these, and got only thanks. Was never stranded, Countless Florida and Canada trips, Great family car.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright Silver Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Medium Slate Gray / Light Shale Leather
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic 6-Speed
- Engine
- 3.8L V-6 regular unleaded, engine with 197HP
- Stock #
- 629558
- VIN
- 2A8HR541X9R629558
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Sam's AutoReviews
2009 Chrysler Town & Country review
I’ve had 4 different minivans over the last 2 decades, 2 Mazda MPV’s, 1 Dodge Caravan and the 2009 Chrysler T&C that I bought used in 2013. The T&C wins hands down…I absolutely love it, comfortable, super sound system, Bluetooth compatibility with my cell phone, great on gas and holds a ton of stuff. Have taken it from Canada through the US and, knock on wood, I have had 0 issues with it and hope it lasts as long as I do being a senior! Wish Chrysler had not discontinued it!
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