Used passenger vans for sale near Fairmount, IL
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$12,819
Est. $233/mo Sam Leman Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram of Champaign
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- Ext. color
- Magnesium Pearl
- Int. color
- Medium Slate Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 4-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.3L V6 12V MPFI OHV
- Stock #
- QBK1907A
- VIN
- 2C4GP44R25R137075
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Exterior
- Roof Rack
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Sam Leman Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram of ChampaignReviews
2005 Chrysler Town & Country review
ASE Parts Specialist 25 years. Bought this T&C Touring van with 175k miles from a family friend for $800 and figured it would need some things repaired. Being a tech for years, with good connections for parts, I might as well give it some love. Had a new battery and new rear tires I got to work. Replaced the following. PS pump and hose. Water pump, Upper and low intake gaskets, lower rad hose, Ft struts, rear coil over shocks, sway bar bushings and end link kits, front brakes, idler and tensioner pulleys, serpentine belt, transmission service and oil and filter change, 4 wheel alignment. Rides like new, would drive it to Florida tomorrow. Store n go seats are great.
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$26,319
Est. $478/mo Sam Leman Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram of Champaign
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- Ext. color
- Diamond Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- BK1929
- VIN
- 2C4RC1BG3RR164134
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Sam Leman Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram of ChampaignReviews
2024 Chrysler Pacifica review
This car is very nice very comfortable got power jet black inside white and black and it only had 42,000 mi we love the car thank you
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- Ext. color
- Celestial Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Graphite
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 36-36
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L I4 16V PDI DOHC Hybrid
- Stock #
- L10806
- VIN
- 5TDYRKEC0RS212026
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
D-Patrick MotoplexReviews
D-Patrick Motoplex review
I was met at the door by a very nice gentleman who asked if he could help and guided me to the service department. The guy in service was equally helpful, explained the process, and offered things to assist with my wait. All this was greatly appreciated as this was my first trip with my Audi for service. I could have taken advantage of the drop-off/pick-up service, but I chose instead to just walk to the mall. While there, I was given text message updates, received a video showing the inspection, and was called to inform me of service completion. Upon returning, I was given the opportunity to ask questions, was guided to the cashier, and was thanked by everyone I encountered, including the guy doing the video, for my business. Very pleasant experience!
2024 Toyota Sienna review
i love my sienna. kristie help me with hatch problem. it was covered under warranty im so happy. my kids love so much extra space. it is very nice and hendrick employees help me with service. very happy customer
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- Ext. color
- Silky Silver
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- Lambda 3.3L V-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, D-CVVT variable
- Stock #
- KM112
- VIN
- KNDMB5C11K6511066
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Scherer MazdaReviews
Scherer Mazda review
Korbin was a true professional and followed up with me within 2 days to thank me and ask if I was pleased. This is my 8th Mazda, love the brand but the dealership is the real value add. Thanks Korbin and finance, I was on the road in an hour and 40 minutes! Thank you!
2019 Kia Sedona review
The only negative is went to open passenger front door and the whole door handle came off. Will cost between $150.00 and &300.00 to get a new handle (plastic)put on. This is our second Sedona)
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- Ext. color
- Ceramic Gray Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- T39771A
- VIN
- 2C4RC3BG3NR225925
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
KC Summers Auto GroupReviews
KC Summers Auto Group review
I'll never shop anywhere else!! Salesman Patrick Tingley gave the BEST service! Got me the exact price I needed, filled my tank up with gas and a fresh car wash AND detail before leaving the lot. Super kind! He has my business for life!
2022 Chrysler Pacifica review
I have owned dozens of cars, trucks and minivans. This vehicle is the most versatile of them all. The V6 AWD is great on the hwy. And the steering is nimble in street driving. I would recommend to anyone to purchase. Stow and Go seats are best in class.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Diamond Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- W14311
- VIN
- 2C4RC1BG8SR503069
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
KC Summers Auto GroupReviews
KC Summers Auto Group review
Beyond great service, very nice, best I'm town. I would recommend anyone to come here to buy a car! Even tho I wasn't able to purchase a car right now they treated me with such respect!! Keep up great work Kc Summers Nissan Toyota Buick Gmc
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ceramic Silver
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 port/direct injection, DOHC, CVVT variable valve contro
- Stock #
- N6065956
- VIN
- KNDNC5H35N6065956
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Terre Haute ChevroletReviews
Terre Haute Chevrolet review
Terre Haute Chevrolet exceeded all expectations due to Ron May. Ron was gracious, considerate, and respectful. He is knowledgeable about the vehicles and their features and highly efficient in the leasing process. The finance manager was also a positive factor in this experience
2022 Kia Carnival review
AMAZING MPV!! Bought 2022 SX Prestige with captain chairs in May 2021. Had 175,000 miles and drove like new. Only did Oil changes/tire rotations and filters (easy to change by yourself) and new tires 2x and a new battery at 150k was all I had to Maintenance. Was very spacious for up to 4 adults but too small for 7 adults. My last one was a total loss but would love another one. Was awesome in snow with all weather tires.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Celestial Blue
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- Lambda 3.3L V-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, D-CVVT variable
- Stock #
- K6547521
- VIN
- KNDMB5C13K6547521
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Terre Haute ChevroletReviews
Terre Haute Chevrolet review
My maintenance was scheduled on Thursday, I showed up on Monday. The staff took care if the maintenance on my Trailblazer anyway, and provided shuttle service. OUTSTANDING!!!
2019 Kia Sedona review
It's super comfortable and the seats are wide and accommodating. Fits my 5 kids great! We have the LX model with 21,000 miles. We bought it from Today Auto LLC
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Silky Silver
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- Lambda 3.3L V-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, D-CVVT variable
- Stock #
- L6635688
- VIN
- KNDMB5C16L6635688
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Terre Haute ChevroletReviews
Terre Haute Chevrolet review
Service was fine but didn't explain Repair Estimate attached to receipt. Said Diagnostic-Oil leak (Visual). Not sure if they saw oil or it was low or what.
2020 Kia Sedona review
This is the 3rd time We've owned a Kia Sedona. I love that the back seats fold into the floor. It's so roomy. It's perfect for me hauling kids or a ton of comic books when I buy a collection. This one I bought only had 9k miles on it.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Granite Crystal Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Light Graystone
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unl
- Stock #
- JR231809
- VIN
- 2C4RDGBG0JR231809
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Terre Haute ChevroletReviews
Terre Haute Chevrolet review
Everything was perfect as always. Fast service. I was told one price. And was charged a cheaper price.
2018 Dodge Grand Caravan review
This car meets all my needs, rides great, and I love the color! Most of all my salesman, Donnell at Fast Lane was truly a fabulous salesman!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Brilliant Black Crystal Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- F25542A
- VIN
- 2C4RC1BG3LR279601
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Pilson Auto CenterReviews
Pilson Auto Center review
Shopping experience was AMAZING! Kristy went above and beyond in the task of searching for the right vehicle to suit our needs. Lots of great choices, and the process was easy from start to finish. Highly recommend Kristy and Pilson for a great car shopping experience!
2020 Chrysler Pacifica review
Been reading some of the reviews about people who have trouble with their Pacifica. I bought a touring L plus 31/2 years ago and it’s been one of the best cars I’ve ever owned. Had one small problem with the sliding doors, showing me that I should wash sensor under car. Learned that all you have to do is pull a fuse under the hood and the signal on the dash goes away. Haven’t had that problem for over 30,000 miles. Runs great drives great and is comfortable. I don’t know what more I could ask. Most of the time 29 miles to the gallon on the highway or more. It is true that stop start won’t work if the batteries are bad or low I just replaced my batteries and now everything is fine again.
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$37,912
Est. $688/mo Pilson Auto Center of Charleston
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- Ext. color
- Lunar Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 gasoline direct injection, i-VTEC variable valve contro
- Stock #
- CP8578
- VIN
- 5FNRL6H86RB030310
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- HomeLink
- Rear Seat Entertainment
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Pilson Auto Center of CharlestonReviews
Pilson Auto Center of Charleston review
I have purchased 2 -Ford F150 from pilson auto . Every time they were great to buy from. Will purchase in the future also Curtious and professional . And the staff were great to work with
2024 Honda Odyssey review
An excellent comfortable kid hauler. Or if you prefer to haul a furniture it will get the job done better than a pickup truck. We love our Odyssey. This is our third Odyssey having owned a 2007. 2013 and now a 2024.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Deep Chroma Blue
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 port/direct injection, DOHC, CVVT variable valve contro
- Stock #
- P17403B2
- VIN
- KNDNB4H32P6214291
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Pilson Auto Center of CharlestonReviews
Pilson Auto Center of Charleston review
In all my experiences in buying vehicles (around 50 years) I never had a more accommodating and excellent experience than with Pilsen . My salesman was top notch knowledgeable in everything from finance to delivery. I purchased a 2011 Chevrolet HHR . What put these folks over the top was several days after purchase I had an issue with fuel leak being it was 4th of July holiday I couldn’t get it to them I live in Newton Illinois. So that being said a very reputable mechanic in town repaired it the bill was 416.00 dollars. Upon contacting Brian G . The salesman explaining the situation he talked with General manager they agreed to pay for repairs even though technically they weren’t liable . But did the right thing sent me a check for the repairs which I received several days later I was overwhelmed with appreciation. I am retired and live on fixed income so this was huge I can’t thank them enough. Ted Barnhart very happy customer
2023 Kia Carnival review
We have had our Carnival for about 6 months. I love it!! It is my favorite car ever and I was a Ford Explorer fan before. It is so comfortable and rides like a dream. We can comfortably carry 8 adults with no problems. It has plenty of power and still gets 25-27 MPG around town. The seating configuration is amazing the way they lay down or come out. Being able to see the back while driving is a definite plus, carrying grand babies. And it even becomes its own WiFi spot! The warranty is unbeatable and the service is so good. Highly recommend!!!
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$14,912
Est. $271/mo Pilson Auto Center of Charleston
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Billet Silver Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Alloy/Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, eng
- Stock #
- PU7777B
- VIN
- 2C4RC1DG2MR516514
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Pilson Auto Center of CharlestonReviews
Pilson Auto Center of Charleston review
I was looking for a new car and was looking at local dealerships. I knew several friends and family members who purchased from Pilson's so I figured I would give it a shot. I looked at their inventory online and found several cars I was interested in. There was one in particular. I went to take a look at it and met Nicole Jones a sales representative. She showed me my options in my budget. I was pretty nervous because I don't have the best credit and my current car I didn't think was worth very much. I was on a tight budget but Nicole said, "Just wait. We have something for you." She then showed me another car and I instantly fell in love. I had a bad car buying experience with my first car so I was pretty anxious about starting the process over again. Nicole made me feel comfortable every step of the way by thoroughly explaining everything. She had other customers in the store but never let me feel neglected. I worked with her all day and somehow with her magic, she got me approved for the car with monthly payments I could handle. It felt like she was a fairy godmother! She made me feel so comfortable and so excited about buying another car. I highly recommend Nicole Jones to anyone who is shopping for a car at Pilson's!
2021 Chrysler Voyager review
I love everything about this vehicle! Was upset when Dodge stopped making the Caravan, but this one filled the void nicely. Great price as well.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White Knuckle Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Light Graystone
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unl
- Stock #
- PU7848
- VIN
- 2C4RDGBG3KR680306
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- USB Port
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Pilson ChevroletReviews
Pilson Chevrolet review
Let me tell you I drive 150 miles one way 2 times to buy my 2016 Corvette from here. I would have drive back and forth 10 times over based on my awesome experiences here. Top to bottom bottom to top the place is 1st rate. If the say it, they do it! No pressure at all and they talk to you respectfully and not down at you like some dealerships thos dealer has a Vision amd I will tell you it’s a simple one. Customers are job one. I don’t need to say anything else! Look up Jess for you sales associate. You won’t be disappointed Jeffery M. Stovall
2019 Dodge Grand Caravan review
I do have a problem with the hood,because I have rust on the edges .I don't think I should have to worry about rust on the xxxx hood.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ceramic Gray Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- 26162A
- VIN
- 2C4RC1GGXPR557229
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Pilson Auto CenterReviews
Pilson Auto Center review
Our experience was AMAZING. Kristy went above and beyond to help us find the right car for us and our needs, and she made the whole experience smooth and easy. There were so many great cars to choose from it was tough to decide which one we liked the best. Highly recommend Kristy and we definitely will come back again for our next car.
2023 Chrysler Pacifica review
Andrick was very nice and very helpful. I don't have the best credit or a good down payment but he did everything possible to get me into a car. Very helpful!
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