Used compact SUVs for sale near Hollywood, SC
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- Ext. color
- Silver Sky Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-35
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Dynamic Force 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, VVT-i variab
- Stock #
- SC364627
- VIN
- 2T3C1RFV7SC364627
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
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AutoNation USA CharlestonReviews
2025 Toyota RAV4 review
Bought my XLE premium FWD RAV4 towards the end of 2025 before non-hybrid powertrains were discontinued. I’m old school and didn’t want the hybrid driving experience or system. Couldn’t be more pleased with the vehicle after a year of ownership and look forward to many years of driving pleasure. Anyone in the market for a similar non-hybrid vehicle-do yourself a favor and pick a 2025 model year RAV4, you’ll be glad you did so.
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- Ext. color
- Fusion Red Metallic
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- 8fa3b2ffac1840c24df218080330eb60
- VIN
- YV4L12RK3R1819518
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of Charleston -





$25,490
Est. $474/mo Automaxx of the Carolinas
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- Ext. color
- Shadow Black
- Int. color
- Ebony/Roast
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 1.5L I-3 port/direct injection, DOHC, Ti-VCT variable v
- Stock #
- K4705
- VIN
- 3FMCR9C66NRE29914
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
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Automaxx of the CarolinasReviews
Automaxx of the Carolinas review
Great experience with this dealer . . The salesman was very knowledgeable and we were treated very well . . We bought the car that we were there to check out. . Thanks Auto Maxx of Summerville.
2022 Ford Bronco Sport review
I have a '22 Base. My wife and I love it. We needed a 4x4 when we move to a more rural state and although we're generally happy with the vehicle, we can't help roll our eyes of the number of recalls and reliability questions surrounding the model. Had I known about the difference in the 1.5L to 2L engines, I'd have opted for the 2L engines, but that's only available at the top trimmed Badlands. This is almost the perfect vehicle for a two person household who has a dog, likes to take day trips and it pretty good on fuel economy (32mpg over 15k miles). The interior is pretty cheap, however. I would recommend the vehicle, however, but only with the 2L engine and only with a warranty. There are just too many concerns with this vehicle to own it without a warranty
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$24,761
Est. $460/mo Automaxx of the Carolinas
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- Ext. color
- Sting-Gray Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-22
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, intercooled tu
- Stock #
- D1441T
- VIN
- 1C4HJXFN5LW339351
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
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Automaxx of the CarolinasReviews
Automaxx of the Carolinas review
My salesperson was Cy6nthis, and she was wonderful. She helped me find the car that I wanted, and answered all my questions. It was a great experience, and I would recommend Cynthis if you are looking to purchase a vehicle at Automaxx.
2020 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited review
I love my 2020 Sahara Unlimited. She is beautiful but still drives and handles like a jeep, which is why I wanted her. The stock tires for the unlimited are bigger than regular tires, and makes her fierce! I have almost 30K on mine and have had no problems (knock on wood) whatsoever. It is a joy to ride with or without the top off. Easy to remove the driver and passenger top for a quick fun ride. Easy but a little heavy to remove the entire top, but totally worth it. I've even had it on the beach and it handles like a dream!
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$34,140
Est. $634/mo Automaxx of the Carolinas
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- Ext. color
- Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 43-36
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, i-VTEC variable valve co
- Stock #
- D1560
- VIN
- 7FARS5H82RE008970
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Automaxx of the CarolinasReviews
Automaxx of the Carolinas review
Molly was fantastic she deserves more than 5 stars for her hard work highly recommend automaxx
2024 Honda CR-V Hybrid review
We purchased a 2024 hybrid sport touring last July 2023. We had been driving a BMW X3 prior to this car. So far I really enjoy the vehicle. It is not a BMW in terms of handling and engine performance. The upside is hopefully it will not cost as much to keep on the road as the BMW. Also gas mileage is pretty amazing for a large vehicle like this. Most of the time we average around 40 miles per gallon around town and 35 or so as long as we're not driving 75 plus miles per hour. The Bose stereo system is great, better than the BMW in my opinion. Even though the sunroof is not panoramic we didn't open the BMW sunroof because if it broke replacing or fixing it would have been three plus thousand dollars!
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$33,989
Est. $632/mo Automaxx of the Carolinas
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- Ext. color
- Radiant Red Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 40-34
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, i-VTEC variable valve co
- Stock #
- AD1460
- VIN
- 7FARS6H99RE065259
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Automaxx of the CarolinasReviews
Automaxx of the Carolinas review
I purchased a 2020 Honda Accord from Automaxx Summerville on May 23. My salesman Justin B. was phenomenal. He made sure we were taken care of and he was very patient with us. He took care of everything seamlessly. Thank you Justin!
2024 Honda CR-V Hybrid review
Good handling car in all weather. Blind spots in back causes me to pay extra attention to people coming up on my sides. Great mileage if you avoid excessive speed. Quite riding vehicle.
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- Ext. color
- Magnetic Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I-4 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
- Stock #
- JW311859STK
- VIN
- JN8AT2MV7JW311859
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
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DriveTime of CharlestonReviews
DriveTime of Charleston review
Made buying my car alot less stressful! Would recommend them to any body looking for a car!!!!! Can't remember the name of the gentleman who helped us but I will be buying there again
2018 Nissan Rogue review
This car is great in every way. Smooth ride and excellent features. Mileage is very good. It is much better than I had thought it would be.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sterling Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Medium Ash Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-31
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- 13872
- VIN
- 3GNAXKEG7RL254152
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
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Marchant ChevroletReviews
Marchant Chevrolet review
I accompanied my parents to Marchant Chevrolet, in Ravenel, SC, in their search for a new vehicle. The young man who assisted them, Adrien Limmel, was excellent. He was kind, courteous, humorous, and helpful. I was impressed when he held the door for all of us. Such a polite act has more positive impact than many people would guess. This was only the beginning of a pleasant vehicle buying experience, which was a second purchase, by my parents there. When I next choose to purchase a vehicle, Marchant Chevrolet will be my first stop. The satisfied smiles on the faces of my parents, was enough to make me one day return, and to highly recommend Marchant to others who want to buy quality vehicles, with great service. My husband is also a happy customer. Thanks to all concerned.
2024 Chevrolet Equinox review
I've had my fwd lt for a few months now. Great car. At first I thought it was a bit underpowered, but it more than makes up for it in fuel economy. Clean interior, not too many buttons and the standard screen is small but really intuitive to use. Overall an excellent vehicle that fully meets my needs
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- Ext. color
- Thunder Grey Metallic
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- 5dea4728ac183200ff501480496cb1dd
- VIN
- YV4L12RL7R1712643
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$18,797
Est. $349/mo Mercedes-Benz Van Center - Baker
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- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Saddle Brown
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- SP1892
- VIN
- WDC0G4JB4JV053785
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Mercedes-Benz Van Center - BakerReviews
Mercedes-Benz Van Center - Baker review
My service advisor was Francisco and he was awesome. He kept me informed and hit every promise time he gave me. I NEVER had to wonder what was going on with my vehicle
2018 Mercedes-Benz GLC 300 review
This car met all my needs. Very reliable and comfortable car. It has excellent quality and interior design. I drive my kids around the town safely.
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- Ext. color
- Crystal White
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Stock #
- 3ee7e8b1ac1858fe65a8f852ba13ca19
- VIN
- YV4L12RL9R1729993
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of CharlestonReviews
Hendrick Volvo Cars of Charleston review
I stopped by to have my washer fluid topped off and my tire pressures checked. Courtney helped me and got the work taken care of super fast!
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- Ext. color
- Silver Dawn Metallic
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- a957d633ac183460372772b83c80cf14
- VIN
- YV4L12DE0P1375707
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of CharlestonReviews
Hendrick Volvo Cars of Charleston review
Everyone at Rick Hendrick Volvo was friendly and attentive to our needs. Damon Delaney is a great salesman, with personality, patience and extensive knowledge of Volvo vehicles. He never pressured us into making a purchase yet provided the facts we needed to find the car we desired. I will recommend Damon to friends looking for a Volvo. Drew and Addison were also helpful with pricing/ financing and closing the deal.
2023 Volvo XC60 review
This is 100% one of the best cars I’ve owned. Comparing it to my previously owned Acuras, Audis, BMWs, Buicks, Cadillacs, GMCs, Land Rover Range Rovers, Mercedes-Benzs, Porsches, Volkswagens, this is one of my top favorite vehicles for comfort, performance, technology, driving, etcetera. I 10/10 recommend.
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- Ext. color
- Crystal White Metallic
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
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- 0574c2dfac18361d01ce19085f2f69ba
- VIN
- YV4L12RL9R1800853
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of Charleston -


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- Ext. color
- Silver Dawn Metallic
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- 5dea491fac184bdbc270439510a738f2
- VIN
- YV4L12RL9R1831326
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of Charleston -


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- Ext. color
- Denim Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- fa4c2e2cac18361d01ce1908eb498337
- VIN
- YV4L12RL8R1767361
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of CharlestonReviews
Hendrick Volvo Cars of Charleston review
I have used Damon Delaney for the last 4 Volvo rentals can’t say enough about him, easy to work and plus he listens to you…..
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- Ext. color
- Onyx Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- 90ec83d2ac182bafa05e7fee765848b0
- VIN
- YV4L12RL8R1739396
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright Dusk Metallic
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- fa4c302fac18361d01ce19087238e744
- VIN
- YV4L12RL4R1768135
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of Charleston -


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- Ext. color
- Crystal White Metallic
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- a957d844ac1822397e42545e2301016f
- VIN
- YV4L12RL5R1800736
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of Charleston -


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- Ext. color
- Vapour Grey Metallic
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- 893621deac1802145ae4dc74070e4d32
- VIN
- YV4L12RL0R1757195
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of CharlestonReviews
Hendrick Volvo Cars of Charleston review
We had a fabulous experience buying our car from Ryan Schmitt, he made the entire process from first contact to delivery very easy and fun.
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$37,474
Est. $696/mo Hendrick Volvo Cars of Charleston
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- Ext. color
- Denim Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- 0574c4b9ac18089568e355714adb1d11
- VIN
- YV4L12DF9P1354024
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of CharlestonReviews
2023 Volvo XC60 review
Love this suv however when driving just a half hour the dash screen went black with a message “infotainment system cooling” restarted the car but no change. This had to be a recall but can’t find any info. Poor quality in an expensive car. Service department at dealer won’t answer their phone. Hoping they will call back
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- Ext. color
- Silver Dawn Metallic
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- fb8fc46fac18518c500bfccbb8242140
- VIN
- YV4L12RK0R1791323
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of CharlestonReviews
Hendrick Volvo Cars of Charleston review
Great place to purchase cars. It is my 6th vehicle in the last 13 years with Damon Delaney. Dedicated and professional salesman.
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- Ext. color
- Crystal White Metallic
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- f56bd1e7ac18131a5dcf4e6a3a1fca51
- VIN
- YV4L12RL4R1792709
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- Ext. color
- Denim Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- 90ec85aaac180aac8449eac668ed4865
- VIN
- YV4L12RK8R1713808
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- Ext. color
- Silver Dawn Metallic
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- 46d7d091ac18460841a55025685af84f
- VIN
- YV4L12RE9P1359787
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of CharlestonReviews
2023 Volvo XC60 review
I'm a 18 year loyal Toyota SUV guy and I switched to a new XC60. Lovering Volvo in Nashua were great. Sales Mgr Dan was fantastic. No pressure. This is the nicest & most comfortable car I've owned. Fun to drive & easy on gas. Too new to comment on reliability but its safety systems are impressive. Sound system is next level too. I would highly recommend.
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- Ext. color
- Denim Blue
- Int. color
- Blond
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Stock #
- aefaa4ccac1817e23fdc224a9767a1ab
- VIN
- YV4L12RN3P1391361
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Hendrick Volvo Cars of CharlestonReviews
2023 Volvo XC60 review
Wonderful experience. The dealership was very pleasant and he made sure we got a good deal. We appreciated all the time and patience. Love our car!
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- Ext. color
- Green
- Int. color
- BROWN
- Drivetrain
- 4WD
- MPG
- 28-35
- Fuel type
- Gas
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 29083113
- VIN
- JN8BT3DD4TW311421
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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CarMax ColumbiaReviews
CarMax Columbia review
Just viewed on the internet hadn't had a chance to visit a faculty or received personal service
2026 Nissan Rogue review
I’ve only had my Rogue Platinum for three weeks so not much history, however, I am very pleased with my purchase so far. The comfort level is terrible, the ride is smooth. Personally, I also think the exterior has a really good look. As for the interior, we specifically chose the Chestnut color and it is exactly what I wanted.
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- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- WHITE
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- 70143464
- VIN
- 7SAYGDEE7SF255746
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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CarMax Columbus SawmillReviews
CarMax Columbus Sawmill review
By far best dealer experience I've ever had with car dealership. Never pushy and was as friendly as you could ever ask for. Two thumbs up!!!
2025 Tesla Model Y review
I got a significant discount by purchasing a Tesla from inventory plus the 7500 tax credit It has more than met my expectations. Fun car to drive even without self driving