Used Kia Forte LXS for sale in Del Mar, CA
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gravity Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular gasoline, en
- Stock #
- RI6695
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD8RE768777
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Summit Subaru of El CajonReviews
Summit Subaru of El Cajon review
Summit Subaru did a good job replacing the moonroof on my 2023 Solterra after I too a small rock from a dump truck on the freeway. It was new for them sop it took the technician some time to understand how bu=ig a job it was, but the work was clean and good
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Snow White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular gasoline, en
- Stock #
- P14398A
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD3PE509837
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Kearny Mesa Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAMReviews
Kearny Mesa Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM review
My wife and I purchased a really nice car (2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee) yesterday from Junior Alba at Kearney Mesa Jeep, Dodge. Junior listened to want we wanted and presented us with several cars that met the criteria. Very nice man. Interacted with several people during the purchase process, all nice. Give this team a chance if you are in the market for a car.
2023 Kia Forte review
I bought this vehicle in February of 2023. I have approximately 9,000 miles on it and it has performed flawlessly. It is very easy to drive and gets great gas mileage. Mine is Red (currant red) with black interior.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Deep Sea Blue
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular gasoline, en
- Stock #
- PE572502STK
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD1PE572502
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
DriveTime of San DiegoReviews
2023 Kia Forte review
Bought my Forte Gt line at Mathews of Blakley Kia, great salesman ship, i had Dylan, he was very knowledgeable. My Forte is beautiful paid under 23000. and got a car with alot of options other dealers would have charged you for looks great and performs well, i have read other reveiws that slam the kia brand but they have come a long way
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Deep Sea Blue
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, en
- Stock #
- Fr2
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD5NE432109
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
ThreeSixty Auto SalesReviews
ThreeSixty Auto Sales review
I like wrx and I like your dealer . Wrx dream car . I hope you sales it for me . I need 1 car go to work . 3year I no car
2022 Kia Forte review
Just picked up a 2022 KIA Forte GT Line for my wife. Car has outstanding pick up for a 147hp engine. I don't find any difference in performance in changing the various driving modes available though. The fuel economy isn't bad either. We're seeing an average of 34mpg and that is mostly highway driving. Rear leg room in the back seats is perfectly adequate for adults. We have a child's booster seat in the rear passenger side and I have plenty of leg room up front at my 5'11 height. Trunk is very spacious. I can fit two large and one smal suitcase inside it. Interior is pretty high end for a $26k car. Leather seats are well made. Layout of the dash is nice. My only complaint is something lacking on all cars made now. I miss my in-dash CD player. Sorry, I like my tunes and CD case. Overall I would recommend this car to anyone seeking something fun to drive that is both sporty and also economical at the same time. We've only had the car a couple of weeks and have gotten a number of passing positive compliments from strangers.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- CVT
- Stock #
- K23390A
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD4ME305835
Dealer
Team Kia of El CajonReviews
Team Kia of El Cajon review
Excellent customer service. They make you feel at home. Their friendly and sometimes their not.
2021 Kia Forte review
I own a very nice car, I like it very much, the handling is great I would recommend it to everyone good price performance good
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- CVT
- Stock #
- KP837296
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD9RE837296
Dealer
PREMIER Kia of CarlsbadReviews
PREMIER Kia of Carlsbad review
Angel Torres was patient in making the deal and explained everything in the car how it works.He didn’t rush the sale and spent 2 hours with me being kind and considerate.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- CVT
- Stock #
- KT691027
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD0PE691027
Dealer
PREMIER Kia of CarlsbadReviews
PREMIER Kia of Carlsbad review
I brought my 2021 Seltos in for an oil change. I just moved to the Oceanside area. They were able to handle it that day for me. The customer service that I received was awesome, they were very kind and helpful. I am quite pleased with the service that I received and will definitely be coming back for future service.
2023 Kia Forte review
Bought the vehicle new in October of 2023. Now it’s March of 2025. Have yet to have an issue🤞though have heard of common problems many have had. I’ve put roughly 20 k miles on the car in a year and a half (mostly interstate driving). Technology package is lovely and the vehicle has an overall stylish feel. It’s important to keep in mind, though, that you’re buying a 20k dollar vehicle from 2023. It’s plastics galore in there, so, though stylish, the material quality isn’t the best. If you’re someone who takes care of your things, you shouldn’t have an issue! Use the maintenance schedule found in the Owner’s manual and this vehicle should get you where you’re going for a reasonable amount of years. That being said, if you’re trying to decide between and LX[S] and GT (not including GT-Line), choose the GT. Though you’re paying a little extra, you get a standard transmission with real gears (the car has more power than you’d think too) rather than the CVT found in the LX[S] (and GT-line). CVT tech has greatly improved within recent years, but they’re still known to be problematic at times. All in all, this generation of Kia seems to be more reliable than most previous gens. Definitely a real deal competitor with the carolla/civic and worth the consideration!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gravity Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular gasoline, en
- Stock #
- 61749
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD8NE464116
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Honda of EscondidoReviews
Honda of Escondido review
Honda of Escondido 1700 Auto Park Way •Escondido, CA, 92029 I had a great experience at this dealership-4/13/25 my luckiest day ever! Worked with Ray Sun-Sales Manager and Massud Mainayar-Finance Manager to make my dream car happen. It’s worth my 45 minutes drive. Super friendly and helpful and made the entire process run smoothly. If you’re in the market for a new car I would high recommend reaching out to Ray Sun-Sales Manager. Honda of Escondido also have a very clean and comfortable lounge to wait. Ray was great to work with and really went above and beyond to secure my desired car and ensure top quality. He also kept us well informed along the way about timing and next steps. It was a pleasure working with him and I would highly recommend him. And finally, I had a very pleasant experience working with Massud Mainayar-Finance Manager. He made me understand the whole paperworks process, Massud also went above and beyond to find the best financing solution for my needs, even when I had some specific requirements. I highly recommend them to anyone looking for a finance manager who is knowledgeable, efficient, and customer-focused. Again-I was very pleased with their professionalism and helpfulness. They were all knowledgeable about different financing options and took the time to explain everything clearly, ensuring I felt comfortable with my decision. I truly had an amazing experience at Honda of Escondido, quick process. No xx. No hassle! Ray Sun- Sales Manager and Massud Mainayar-Finance Manager and the rest of the team was great! Had me in the car I wanted in no time, they all had a great attitude while I figured out what I wanted to do and overall was a place to buy a car I would recommend!
2022 Kia Forte review
I drive the 2023 Kia Forte GT Manual, and I couldn’t recommend this car more!! The only complaint I have is now that I’m trying to find a new car with a more fancy name to impress clients, I can’t find anything I enjoy nearly as much. The car is built on a BMW M3 chassis, has the luxury features and interior to match with an average combined fuel mileage of 34mpg and the reliability of a newly redesigned Kia. It handles phenomenally well and is unmatched within its price point. It loses value quickly (until the general population realizes their tech and reliability recently surpassed Toyota and Honda) so buy a used 2023 or 2022, and you’re smooth sailing. I drove this car from Philadelphia to Los Angeles and was complimented by strangers in almost every city I stopped in along the way!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gravity Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Regular gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular gasoline, en
- Stock #
- 572363
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD2PE572363
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Auto CityReviews
Auto City review
This was my first expericene shopping for cars and I was a little nervous, the sales people at Auto City made me feel welcome and did not overwhelm me with sales pitches. Frank was kind and helpful and I appriecated that. I did not purchase a car that day but because of the treatment I recieved will be going back there in the near future.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 70249725
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD6RE765893
Features
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Lane Departure Warning
Dealer
CarMax BakersfieldReviews
CarMax Bakersfield review
The buying process was long but at the end everything worked out in my absolute favor! I appreciate the amazing customer service and the help with the purchase of my very first car!!!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-40
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 29069632
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD9ME272587
Features
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Lane Departure Warning
Dealer
CarMax PalmdaleReviews
CarMax Palmdale review
Recently I had to get a newer car and believe me I was stressed because of the situation but when I went to CarMax which this is my second car from them it was once again amazing to work with them! I had the pleasure of working with 2 amazing sales associates. Helen Mayo who was my main sales associate and Cheyeene Toliver who helped out my wife and myself when Helen was off! They both were very kind and helpful and made the process an ease! I was thinking of other options but since they were amazing I went with them instead if your looking for a car I highly recommend you ask for either of these two women they are a great help!
2021 Kia Forte review
I love this car. It looks great. All the tech and safety features are through the roof cool. So far it has been super reliable. This is my first car that is not American made and I love it.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Steel Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT Transmission
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, en
- Stock #
- P12335
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD2PE651998
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Land Rover Mission ViejoReviews
Land Rover Mission Viejo review
This is a follow-up to a review earlier this week regarding my CPO or Lemon review. We got a hold of the service manager and he was extremely sincere and honest about what had happened with the vehicle and the team was working to get all the new parts installed for me. I'm glad to report that my car was ready the following day and drove like new. I appreciate the team taking the time to triple check the vehicle and didn't rush to give me back the vehicle. I also want to give kudos to Kyle in service for remembering to replace the cover for my key which I forgot about. Honestly, it's the little things like this that counts so thank you Kyle! Now for the sales experience... I appreciate Adam reaching out to me and listening to my concerns. I even stopped by to see him at the dealership today since he was so nice and empathetic of my situation so I wanted to say "hi" in person. At the end of the day, I believe I made a good purchase and I would refer the dealership to my family and friends.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 30-40
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 28080743
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD0KE115625
Features
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Lane Departure Warning
Dealer
CarMax MurrietaReviews
CarMax Murrieta review
Excellent overall experience. Sales representative was not the most knowledgeable, but was very attentive. The facility was clean and sales did not apply pressure. Representative made several follow-up calls which were appropriate and helpful to my search.
2019 Kia Forte review
I am a long time owner of a Kia Forte 2019 bought it in 2018. I have almost had it for 5 years now. It has around 80,000 miles of trouble-free driving. I do the necessary maintenance that's it. The pros of this car it's easy on the eyes and easy to pay for. It didn't take me long to double my payments and pay this wonderful machine off. I also like the fact I don't have to go to the gas pumps much. I can go 435 miles on a simple tank of gas. I get about 43.5 miles a gallon highway and average around 34.5 City and mix driving. I love all of the safety features I have lane keep assist frontal crash anti-lock braking and traction control. I even have done some pretty good snow driving with all season radials Continental. It also has a neat feature where it will drive by itself for about a minute. I have the XLS model. So yes I have the Ivt transmission it has worked very well. I don't understand why everybody was so insecure about this Ivt drivetrain it is ran on a chain not a belt. I have nothing but great things to say about Kia engineering. I don't know why but for some reason the 2019 Kia Forte does not have many of the problems associated in the news. I also have the new anti-theft that Kia Motors placed at no charge to me. I think the days are gone when you can complain about Kia recalls. I think we've seen in the news even Honda, Toyota and Nissan have all had recalls also. I feel like Kia turned a big corner in 2013 on making great automobiles. I like them because they're easy on the budget and very reliable and good on gas. I also like the fact there is a lot of room that comes with these vehicles. I also have a Kia Sorento V6 2019 that is also been a good vehicle. Like they say Kia has the power to surprise. Forget keeping up with the Jones get a car that will save you money.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Fire Orange
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular gasoline, en
- Stock #
- PE580225P
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD8PE580225
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
DCH Honda of TemeculaReviews
DCH Honda of Temecula review
Dylan was amazing! The experience was easy and relaxing. I felt Dylan listened to my needs and never felt any pressure. He was professional and kind.
2023 Kia Forte review
I purchased my GT turbo - automatic in 2021 as 2022 model and my only regret was that didn’t wait for the cooling seats package. Great looking vehicle with above average performance and great fuel efficiency. It’s one of the best affordable sports sedans in the market and one of the few where you can actually fit a 6’ adult in the backseat. I’m looking to add another with my desired package soon.
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Est. $335/mo Lake Elsinore Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gravity Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- LP10651
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD4RE701240
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Lake Elsinore Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
Lake Elsinore Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram review
Great service department. Matt the mgr went out of his way to make sure I was happy. Joel the service advice was very nice, call me twice just to update me. Price was fair.
2024 Kia Forte review
It's too soon to tell how reliable this car will be in the future. However, at just one-month-old, it fits all my wants and desires. I love the interior, its comfort, and the extras that are in this car. The controls on the steering wheel make it safer while driving. The navigation system replaces all maps that I have on my phone and it helps to have the speed limit posted on the navigation read-out. This is my fourth Kia and I have never been disappointed.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Fire Orange
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular gasoline, en
- Stock #
- 597928
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD6PE597928
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Driveline Used Cars MurrietaReviews
Driveline Used Cars Murrieta review
Had a great buying experience here!! Definitely recommended to everyone I know. Thank you all for the great service, love my new car.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Deep Sea Blue
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, en
- Stock #
- 713911
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD8RE713911
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Driveline Used Cars MurrietaReviews
Driveline Used Cars Murrieta review
Mo was a really good sales guy, would definitely recommend to all my friends and famiky
2024 Kia Forte review
I love my kia forte. I got the top tier kia Forte with leather seats which heat and cool and also a sunroof. This car is very comfortable! It is a little on the pricey side for my top tier one, but in the long run it is worth it.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Aurora Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, en
- Stock #
- 12069
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD5RE812069
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Temecula Safi MotorsReviews
2024 Kia Forte review
I bought my Forte LXS in Feb of 2024 and i've driven 9,000 miles on it so far. it's been great and i prefer this over a Corolla or a Camry. on the highway i sometimes get fuel economy in the low 50's mpg and on average i get around 37 mpg combined. not bad at all. i bought this for $21K after taxes and registration. the value can't be beat imo.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Aurora Black
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- CVT Transmission
- Stock #
- PE671872P
- VIN
- 3KPF24AD3PE671872
Dealer
DCH Kia of TemeculaReviews
DCH Kia of Temecula review
Good Service from Sergio and Finance team. I would go back again for possibly a EV
2023 Kia Forte review
Bought a 2023 forte gt-line for my daughter. We have had the car for 13months and have driven about 12,000 miles. I honestly cannot believe the 1star reviews, nor should you. I was a loyal Honda fanboy for over 30 years before I bought this Kia. I bought a totally loaded Forte non turbo for a hair under 25k with a crazy good warranty. Why not? I figured. 13 months and 12k miles later it rides better, has more power and is quieter than the day we bought it! Zero issues with anything. No squeaks, rattles or interior flaws. Sadly no tire wear. I cannot wait to replace the Kuhmos it came with. It handles great and is fun to drive. My wife calls it “a peppy little thing”. And she drives a CX-5 turbo or my 5.7 liter ram. Over 40 mpg on highway and mid 30s driving around town. This is a fine car. Not a cheap version Hyundai. Much nicer IMHO than the Hyundai. For those knocking the resale… run the numbers and try to buy one as cheap as you say you sold yours for. The Harmon Kardon stereo sounds awesome! This is one of my favorite purchases because its value continues to surprise me. And they give a $500.00 military discount. Don’t buy based on my opinions go test drive one! Test drives are free. Go to carvanna or get on car gurus and see how cheap you can buy one a year or two old used one for.
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