New and used minivans for sale near North Springfield, VA
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Maximum Steel Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Regular Gasoline V-6 3.6 L/220
- Stock #
- KR594991
- VIN
- 2C4RC3BGXMR594991
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
King KiaReviews
King Kia review
Last week, I purchased a new 2023 Kia Forte from King Kia in Gaithersburg, and it was a great experience. Felipe was very patient, honest, and very helpful. The dealer didn't have the car I wanted in stock, but he was able to get it from a different dealer. The process was quick and easy!!! Felipe also called me the day after to make sure I was happy with the car. Everyone I met was very courteous and friendly. r Felipe is definitely the best person for your next car purchase!
2021 Chrysler Pacifica review
We wanted another dodge Durango, until we drove a Pacifica, we love it and would recommend to anyone, it handles better than our Mercedes or jaguar
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$42,000
Est. $759/mo Ourisman Honda of Tysons Corner
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed 948TE Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular gas
- Stock #
- A190701
- VIN
- 2C4RC3PG4RR190701
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Rear Seat Entertainment
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Ourisman Honda of Tysons CornerReviews
Ourisman Honda of Tysons Corner review
Mike was s awesome and took care of my needs for service. I would recommend
2024 Chrysler Pacifica review
This car is very nice very comfortable got power jet black inside white and black and it only had 42,000 mi we love the car thank you
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$22,500
Est. $407/mo Ourisman Honda of Tysons Corner
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Diamond Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed 948TE Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular gas
- Stock #
- A598044
- VIN
- 2C4RC1BG5SR598044
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Ourisman Honda of Tysons CornerReviews
Ourisman Honda of Tysons Corner review
Good selection and professional sales job from Jimmy H. New showroom is comfortable. Financing was smooth with knowledgeable folks. Only down side was high pressure to purchase extended warranty.
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Vehicle Information
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V SOHC
- Stock #
- 41770
- VIN
- 5FNRL6H6XVB003068
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Bill Page HondaReviews
Bill Page Honda review
I went in to test drive a CPO 2018 EL-X Accord. At first, I was on the fence between a Camry and an Accord but driving it helped my decision. The whole experience from setting up the test drive through the negotiation was stress free. Both Adeel and Larry were honest and fair, and I ended up getting the car that day.
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Vehicle Information
- Drivetrain
- AWD
- MPG
- 35-36
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L I4 16V PDI DOHC Hybrid
- Stock #
- 00N21434
- VIN
- 5TDYSKFC1TS302330
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Alexandria ToyotaReviews
Alexandria Toyota review
My car was stolen and destroyed, and I was left without transportation. This was devastating to me, but I had to keep it moving as life does not wait so, I had to look for new transportation. I ended up at Alexandria Toyota. Never in my life have I met so many nice and wonderful people in one place and never has such a huge process been so easy! The manager, the finance team and all the salespeople were all just top notch, and I am so glad I chose them to help me start a new chapter in my life! Special shout out to Tre Neal who made sure I got everything I wanted in a new car and even went all the way to Maryland to personally pick up my new ride!!! Thank you everyone at Alexandria Toyota you all made one of the worst weeks of my life, the best and man did yall sell me some super sexy wheels, LOVE IT!!!!!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Platinum
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 35-36
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L I4 16V PDI DOHC Hybrid
- Stock #
- 00N20727
- VIN
- 5TDESKFC4TS285526
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Alexandria ToyotaReviews
Alexandria Toyota review
This is the first time I buy a car from a Jack Taylor Toyota dealership, and I had the best experience. Ebo Grant was very professional, patient and thorough. I felt absolutely no pressure and he made sure I had everything, and it was set up before I left. I med was also very helpful in the finance department, and Mike the manager. My first Toyota and I loved handling the team at Jack Taylor in Alexandria first class. Thanks to everyone who helped me, I highly recommend them if you want to buy a car.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Wind Chill Pearl
- Int. color
- Gray
- Stock #
- KTTTS34D548
- VIN
- TS34D548
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ice Cap
- Int. color
- Gray
- Stock #
- KTTTS30M505
- VIN
- TS30M505
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Granite Crystal Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Alloy
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, eng
- Stock #
- CU8070
- VIN
- 2C4RC1BG4JR142972
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Cars2Us WoodbridgeReviews
Cars2Us Woodbridge review
Amazing experience. I’m glad I got to speak and work with Paul, Seth, and Rene
2018 Chrysler Pacifica review
I bought my van new. It has 150k mikes and I have only had very minor issues with it. It has been a reliable source of transportation for me as I drive long distances several times a year. I particularly love the way the seats go into the floor. I have hauled so much stuff. I love my van.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ruby Flare Pearl
- Int. color
- Macadamia leathertrim
- Stock #
- KTTTS34B311
- VIN
- TS34B311
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Wind Chill Pearl
- Int. color
- Macadamia leather trim
- Stock #
- KTTTS34C019
- VIN
- TS34C019
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Cement
- Int. color
- Black Softex
- Stock #
- KTTTS31D456
- VIN
- TS31D456
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ruby Flare Pearl
- Int. color
- Macadamia leathertrim
- Stock #
- KTTTS34B952
- VIN
- TS34B952
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Midnight Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Macadamia leather-trimmed
- Stock #
- KTTTS33C331
- VIN
- TS33C331
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Granite Crystal Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Caramel/Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- S260700A
- VIN
- 2C4RC1N7XMR575308
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Rear Seat Entertainment
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Stohlman Subaru of Tyson'sReviews
2021 Chrysler Pacifica review
We got the new 2021 Pinnacle edition. Most dealers/sales persons did NOT know the second row of seats were not stow n go. Most of them also really did not know how to install/work with CarPlay. We had to figure out most of the stuff ourselves because they couldn’t. You tube really helped!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Heavy Metal
- Int. color
- Gray
- Stock #
- KTTTS33D737
- VIN
- TS33D737
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Heavy Metal
- Int. color
- Gray
- Stock #
- KTTTS34D742
- VIN
- TS34D742
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Cypress
- Int. color
- Gray
- Stock #
- KTTTS32D350
- VIN
- TS32D350
Dealer
Koons Tysons ToyotaReviews
Koons Tysons Toyota review
Awesome Fantastic Deal. Best deal ever anyone could get. Highly recommend. Loved the quality and friendliness. They were very helpful and Jason did the extra ordinary job while explaining the car details. Pushkhar was awesome with handling the financial part.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Midnight Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Black SofTex
- Stock #
- KTTTS34C079
- VIN
- TS34C079
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Wind Chill Pearl
- Int. color
- Black leather-trimmed
- Stock #
- KTTTS32D588
- VIN
- TS32D588
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Brilliant Black Crystal Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Alloy
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, eng
- Stock #
- CU8343
- VIN
- 2C4RC1BGXJR214385
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Cars2Us FairfaxReviews
Cars2Us Fairfax review
Best dealership ever. I have bought 2 cars from their Fairfax location - their service and cars are the best.
2018 Chrysler Pacifica review
I leased a new Pacifica Limited S in 2018 and when the lease expired after three years I bought it and drove it for three more years. I liked it so much that I just leased a new 2025 that is very similar to the 2018. The 2018 was extremely dependable and served us well for transporting my boys (grandsons), other family and friends, kayaks, bikes, skis, and numerous trips to Goodwill Industries. It never needed any significant mechanical repairs and it never left us at the side of the road in the nearly 90,000 miles we had it.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Heavy Metal
- Int. color
- Gray
- Stock #
- KTTTS35C977
- VIN
- TS35C977
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Cypress
- Int. color
- Gray
- Stock #
- KTTTS31D636
- VIN
- TS31D636
Dealer
Koons Tysons ToyotaReviews
Koons Tysons Toyota review
Wait before going to the dealer with Jonathan and unfortunately, the cars that I had selected it already been sold, but he was very helpful and helping me find something that I want that was in my budget
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Midnight Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Stock #
- KTTTS34C303
- VIN
- TS34C303
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blueprint
- Int. color
- Macadamia leather trim
- Stock #
- KTTTS35C465
- VIN
- TS35C465
Dealer
Koons Tysons ToyotaReviews
Koons Tysons Toyota review
Jonathan at Koons Toyota was a great help. He was patient while we worked through options to meet our needs over several months and kept us updated daily as we waited for our vehicle to arrive.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Midnight Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Black Softex
- Stock #
- KTTTS32D417
- VIN
- TS32D417
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
$28,400
Est. $513/mo Fitzgerald Used Cars Germantown
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Diamond Black Crystal Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular gas
- Stock #
- DR39439
- VIN
- 2C4RC1GG7SR539439
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Fitzgerald Used Cars GermantownReviews
Fitzgerald Used Cars Germantown review
The salesman Gabriel was extremely helpful and knowledgeable. No BS. It was efficient and thorough. As advertised, no-haggle no hassle and everything was fair and aboveboard with pricing and everything! I had done my research pretty thoroughly before I came in and everything went as smooth as it should be
2025 Chrysler Pacifica review
Nice vehicle. We purchased new...price was one reason why compared to other vans. Our old vehicle was a Town & Country, this vehicle has some pleasant surprises. Better power and a better ride. Handling & response are very good, not clumsy like some vans. Great safety features throughout the vehicle. Things I don't like... the power rear side flare windows are gone and there isn't as much storage . In order to get better storage, you have to upgrade to higher end models. No overhead storage panel in some models. I certainly don't like the fact that there is no spare tire anymore but I know that the car industry is moving that way, which is just a cost saving measure for them. Door protection side strips have disappeared - they used to just be a standard item but now, are an "option", which is pretty lame. Roof pillars tend to cause more obstruction in my view as I'm driving but the Pacifica has alert safety features that are helpful. Information screen is pretty easy on Chrysler. Overall, its a nice vehicle.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Cypress
- Int. color
- Macadamia leather trim
- Stock #
- KTTTS33D648
- VIN
- TS33D648
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Midnight Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Stock #
- KTTTS32B568
- VIN
- TS32B568
Dealer
Koons Tysons ToyotaReviews
Koons Tysons Toyota review
I’ve been a dedicated Toyota customer for the past ten years, and Koons Toyota Tysons continues to deliver an exceptional experience. My recent purchase of a 2026 4Runner TRD Off-Road was outstanding from start to finish. Maria Lazo, Sales Consultant, provided exceptional customer care and made the buying process smooth and enjoyable. Azmi Sabah, Business Manager, offered an exceptional level of support while guiding me through financing options and was extremely resourceful in helping me understand warranty coverage choices. Thank you to the entire team for exceeding my expectations once again!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Midnight Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Stock #
- KTTTS31C640
- VIN
- TS31C640
Dealer
Koons Tysons ToyotaReviews
Koons Tysons Toyota review
We had a great experience working with Chance Fisher at Koons Toyota! Chance was knowledgeable, professional, and respectful of our time throughout the car-buying process. He had a great personality, made the experience easy and enjoyable, and was a pleasure to work with from start to finish. I would highly recommend seeking out Chance if you're in the market for a new car. You won't be disappointed.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Midnight Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Black Softex
- Stock #
- KTTTS31D775
- VIN
- TS31D775
Dealer
Koons Tysons Toyota -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Velvet Red Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Alloy/Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 Hybrid Engine
- Stock #
- 509988
- VIN
- 2C4RC1L74PR509988
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Trust AutoReviews
Trust Auto review
Keith was very professional and got me out of the office in no time. Will definitely recommend this dealership.
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$19,950
Est. $361/mo Easterns Automotive Group of Baltimore
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ceramic Gray Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Alloy/Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular gasolin
- Stock #
- 175001
- VIN
- 2C4RC1L74PR618225
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Easterns Automotive Group of BaltimoreReviews
Easterns Automotive Group of Baltimore review
Thanks Myron I love my new car so much im definitely buying you lunch. See you soon
2023 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid review
I had a 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 (that I absolutely loved), but the lease was ending. Since that purchase, I have had two grandchildren, and though I could take them with me in the Ioniq, it was a tight squeeze (again, it was a GREAT car). I decided I needed something with more seating, which meant a three row SUV or a minivan. I was used to an all electric vehicle and wanted to get something that was at least hybrid. I honestly thought my days of a minivan were way behind me when my children got older so I was kind of dreading that option. The truth is I couldn't be happier. The mileage has been fantastic - I've been averaging about 50 mpg. Because the van is a plug-in hybrid, I drive a lot of local miles on all electric which helps immensely with the mileage. There is plenty of room for my kids (and their kids). Lots of places to plug in all of their devices. My wife's aunt told me that the back seats were incredibly comfortable as well. The only thing I wish it had were a few more amenities - but that is entirely my fault. I bought it used and picked up the first decently priced one I found. I should have waited a bit for one that was a bit more loaded, but again, that's on my, not the vehicle. The ride is incredibly smooth and the power is just fine for a minivan - obviously not what I was used to with the EV, but then I don't expect that. I'm enjoying driving in comfort and getting in and out is much more comfortable on my old back!