Used Subaru Forester for sale near Fletcher, NC
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal White Pearl
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- 31399XB
- VIN
- JF2SKAJC3PH520613
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Hyundai of AshevilleReviews
Hyundai of Asheville review
Courtney was so great and helpful I definitely recommend and will definitely be back and I’m more than positive I’ll receive the same great customer service as last time
2023 Subaru Forester review
LOVE this car, maybe a little biased since this is my 5th Forester, my 2nd Wilderness. My first Wilderness was totaled in a head-on collision when a young driver spilled coffee and veered into my lane and struck me head-on. That was my 1st Subaru Forester Wilderness and IT SAVED MY LIFE. Full curtain all-around airbag deployment with a roll, the Wilderness coming to rest on it's right side, me still strapped into seatbelt, and the Subaru automatic crash notification with a live person on the speakers asking me if I was ok and needed 911! Smoke still coming from the airbag deployments, and there is a live person coming over the speakers asking me if I'm ok. It was surreal. SUBARU FORESTER WILDERNESS SAVED MY LIFE! TYVM Subaru! LOVE this car! Gets 25+ MPG with conservative driving, a great ride and suspension, superior traction in mud and snow, load-out practically anything/rack bikes (or whatever on the roof racks), sleep in the back with ample room, superior rear-gate lift mechanism with memory, seats super-comfortable and easily adjustable, solid rear-seat leg-room, easy rear-seat fold-downs for massive cargo area that takes my full HVAC tool load-out for servicing ice baths all over the NorthEast US. A great value, especially CPO with +10K mileage (vs. new) MONEY WELL SPENT! SUBARU FOR LIFE
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal White Pearl
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- 31399XB
- VIN
- JF2SKAJC3PH520613
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Hyundai of AshevilleReviews
Hyundai of Asheville review
Courtney was so great and helpful I definitely recommend and will definitely be back and I’m more than positive I’ll receive the same great customer service as last time
2023 Subaru Forester review
LOVE this car, maybe a little biased since this is my 5th Forester, my 2nd Wilderness. My first Wilderness was totaled in a head-on collision when a young driver spilled coffee and veered into my lane and struck me head-on. That was my 1st Subaru Forester Wilderness and IT SAVED MY LIFE. Full curtain all-around airbag deployment with a roll, the Wilderness coming to rest on it's right side, me still strapped into seatbelt, and the Subaru automatic crash notification with a live person on the speakers asking me if I was ok and needed 911! Smoke still coming from the airbag deployments, and there is a live person coming over the speakers asking me if I'm ok. It was surreal. SUBARU FORESTER WILDERNESS SAVED MY LIFE! TYVM Subaru! LOVE this car! Gets 25+ MPG with conservative driving, a great ride and suspension, superior traction in mud and snow, load-out practically anything/rack bikes (or whatever on the roof racks), sleep in the back with ample room, superior rear-gate lift mechanism with memory, seats super-comfortable and easily adjustable, solid rear-seat leg-room, easy rear-seat fold-downs for massive cargo area that takes my full HVAC tool load-out for servicing ice baths all over the NorthEast US. A great value, especially CPO with +10K mileage (vs. new) MONEY WELL SPENT! SUBARU FOR LIFE
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Silver
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 70097303
- VIN
- JF2SJADC7FH452961
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
Dealer
CarMax Baton RougeReviews
CarMax Baton Rouge review
Ashley, Tana, Will and Bree did a terrific job at answering our questions. They were very professional and made us feel very comfortable. It?s a very well organized operation.
2015 Subaru Forester review
Bought my 2015 Subaru 2.0XT Touring brand spanking new off the Subaru dealership's lot. Have owned it all this time about 9 years straight. Take care of your car with regular oil changes, servicing at recommended intervals, and your car will take care of you. Performed the required recalls during service periods. Not 1 single regret on owning this car, ever. It rides smooth and true. Had a clicking issue in the ball joints 2 years ago which Subaru fixed free of charge. Other than that, this car has been my dream machine.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Green
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 29010792
- VIN
- JF2SLDDC3SH573749
Features
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Lane Departure Warning
Dealer
CarMax WichitaReviews
CarMax Wichita review
Easiest car purchase ever! Frank Degiso is a great guy and I LOVE my new car! Donny was VERY helpful also. Great experience all around!
2025 Subaru Forester review
My Forester is roomy enough for me and several passengers, yet small enough to park easily. It’s reliable, responsive, and I get 35 mpg. The safety features are excellent.
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$27,472
Est. $500/mo Fred Anderson Kia of Greenville
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Magnetite Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Lineartronic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- TG426911B
- VIN
- JF2SLDDC3SH561083
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Fred Anderson Kia of GreenvilleReviews
Fred Anderson Kia of Greenville review
Management was very friendly and the service crew was very efficient. My vehicle was ready in less than an hour.
2025 Subaru Forester review
My first Subaru although each of my kids had a used one as their first cars. Very well made, It is quite comfortable but I wish the seats went up a little bit more. I bought the Premium model and it has everything you could ask for. Handles great, has more than enough oomph, and I am averaging around 26.5 mpg in mostly city driving. Took a 200 mile out and back trip, and averaged 34.8 mpg. I will certainly buy another Subaru when it is time, usually every 2-3 years.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ice Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Lineartronic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
- Stock #
- TB015356A
- VIN
- JF2SJADC2GH477090
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Fred Anderson HondaReviews
Fred Anderson Honda review
Noah in service dept was very thorough …kept me updated throughout process. Thanks so much!
2016 Subaru Forester review
I've never owned a Subaru before but after purchasing the Forester, I may never own anything but a Subaru again! I love the Eyesight Drivers Assistant that it came equipped with. I can see why this car has one of the best safety ratings out there. The interior is very open, spacious, & comfortable and the panoramic sunroof is amazing! It drives and handles like a dream. I would recommend this car to anyone. You won't be disappointed!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal Black Silica
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Lineartronic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L 4-Cylinder DOHC 16V VVT
- Stock #
- MH563457P
- VIN
- JF2SKAXC6MH563457
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Fred Anderson AcuraReviews
Fred Anderson Acura review
Trent was amazing. He took time to explain everything and kept me updated constantly. Made everything super easy. Love the Acura crew!
2021 Subaru Forester review
Other than battery replacement , car has been amazing ! 1 exception cup holders are located too far aft and require driver to look down to locate cup without removing eyes from road ! This issue has been partially addressed in later years by offsetting passengers holder slightly forward of drivers, but still awkward position ! both should be more forward nearer to dash !
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Lineartronic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- 11503
- VIN
- JF2SLDBC2SH466999
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Toyota of EasleyReviews
Toyota of Easley review
Toyota of Easley had the exact 4Runner I was looking for within a few hundred mile radius of me. Mary Beth immediately called me back to confirm. From there she was very quick to respond to all my questions and concerns. We used email, phone calls and even texts to communicate. Very easy to work with and it was actually a positive experience, even though we were 300 miles away! I would absolutely use this dealership again in the future even though I have another one 5 miles away from me.
2025 Subaru Forester review
Bought this car and took off for a 2000miles trip so learned along the way, Not a speed demon but enough to get into traffic and gas mileage is great...over 30 on highway. my only complaint was I couldn't see during a bad storm because the center screen was so bright it was blinding me and had to turn it off. I have over 15000miles on it and owned for over a year and I would buy another one,
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ice Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- N26363A
- VIN
- JF2SJARC8JH595340
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Benson Nissan EasleyReviews
Benson Nissan Easley review
Hal was awesome and very helpful. I didn’t feel pressured to purchase. Everything was very transparent. I really appreciated everything they did about cleaning chairs , tables etc with covid going on
2018 Subaru Forester review
Great value considering the superior safety features, low maintenance and reliability. Rear wheel bearings have been replaced twice and just had the AC compressor and serpentine belt replaced. Albeit expensive repairs, all cars need something after the first 3 years. It's been 8 years and the car still run and drives like new.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 29137648
- VIN
- 4S4SLDB69T3019878
Features
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Lane Departure Warning
Dealer
CarMax GreenvilleReviews
CarMax Greenville review
Raphael Tucker was amazing to work with while I was buying my car. From the first time he called to talk to me about the idea of buying a car he was professional, caring, and kind. Then when I was test driving cars and asking a million question he was patient and reassuring. By the end of the experience I had fun working with him and LOVED how Carmax takes care of people. I will forever be a Carmax buyer and I will totally be seeing Raphael Tucker again. Can't wait to tell everyone I know to go see Raphael Tucker.
2026 Subaru Forester review
I just recently purchased my first Subaru although all of my family members owned them for years. I purchased a touring Forester and I love it It is spacious and very quiet and ride beautifully. It's a great value and my insurance company agrees with the safeties of Subaru.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal White Pearl
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- TT3034138
- VIN
- 4S4SLDD64T3034138
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Subaru of SpartanburgReviews
2026 Subaru Forester review
This is my first Subaru. So far I love it. We will be taking it on a 300+ mile trip this weekend and it will be the real test!
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$32,398
Est. $590/mo Team Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram of Morganton
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ice Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, regular
- Stock #
- MT26196B
- VIN
- JF2SKAJC7RH529012
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Team Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram of MorgantonReviews
Team Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram of Morganton review
Replaced entire dashboard (under warranty). This was a major job. I was concerned about having problems rattles or things not working afterward, but there was not a single issue. I'm very impressed. Overall the tech did an excellent job.
2024 Subaru Forester review
I’ve owned this car for about 18 months. It has I bought it new and it now has about 17,000 miles on it. I love driving it. The safety features are excellent! The performance is good. I’m getting around 32 MPG for all around driving. I have the car maintained at the dealership and haven’t had any mechanical issues. I would definitely recommend this car.
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$33,402
New 2026 Subaru Forester Premium 
$34,560
New 2026 Subaru Forester Premium 
$34,560
New 2026 Subaru Forester Premium 
$41,386
New 2026 Subaru Forester Touring 
$39,062
New 2026 Subaru Forester Limited
$34,560
New 2026 Subaru Forester Premium 
$37,667
New 2026 Subaru Forester Sport 
$40,961
New 2026 Subaru Forester Touring 
$39,007
New 2026 Subaru Forester Limited 
$31,641
New 2026 Subaru Forester 
$41,132
New 2026 Subaru Forester Touring 
$34,560
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sapphire Blue Pearl
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- 26U1142A
- VIN
- JF2SKAJC8PH497006
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Fairway Ford, Inc.Reviews
Fairway Ford, Inc. review
I recently took my car in for oil change, tire rotation and 5 point inspection. Everything went smoothly except no one checked the tire pressure and made the needed adjustments. In fact I’m not even sure the tires were rotated. I knew the tire pressures needed to be adjusted …..I guess it was my assumption they would check / correct the tire pressures. After I was on my way home I checked the tire pressures and the numbers are the same as before I took the car in to them
2023 Subaru Forester review
Overall, at 60k miles, I’ve had no problems and am very happy. I average around 34 mpg’s with mixed driving. I’m happy with the acceleration as well, even though Subaru’s without a turbo are sometimes labeled as slow. I have no problem merging onto highways. The Forester is an easy to live with SUV/car. The rear room is adequate, although the CRV offers about 10 cubic feet more rear capacity. Visibility is excellent. The CVT is smooth and has simulated shifts, just make sure you change the fluid every 30k! I own the Limited with leather seats that are very comfortable. Sometimes the response time on the radio/touch screen can feel a little delayed. I also opted for the dimming driver/rear view mirrors which is great during winter commuting. It saves your eyes from glare. Very view cars offer this which is why I went with the Subaru. My only “major” complaint with the car is a slight rattle coming from the dash board area. It isn’t always there, but is present enough to bother me. Aside from that it is an excellent vehicle and value for the money!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- BROWN
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 29069847
- VIN
- JF2SKAMC7RH495598
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
CarMax GreenvilleReviews
CarMax Greenville review
I was in the market for a newer smaller car and had searched everywhere. Seemed like no one could help me get in to my dream car. I finally decided I would try carmax and no regret whatsoever. They helped me find the exact car I wanted and the approval was fast and easy. Would reccomend to anyone shopping for a car.
2024 Subaru Forester review
the forester sport is very reliable get 26 mpg on most of my daily commutes. Drives great in the winter (even though I have the same tires they came with). Traveling in it on road trips are great, 31 mpg using the cruise control and lane assist. It's not a very fast SUV but it honestly worth it. I tend to speed, but it's not something that actually bothers me. I was worried it would be too sluggish. I picked the forester for my road trips, and extra stuff I drive with.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Autumn Green Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-28
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 0.0L
- Stock #
- TNH404763
- VIN
- JF2SKAMC0NH404763
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Subaru of SpartanburgReviews
2022 Subaru Forester review
My purchase history has been that of a General Motors enthusiast. My wife worked with Subaru owners; they had no complaints. Decades of commercial truck driving exposed me to witnessing the site's of too many bad accidents. The Subaru safety record has earned my loyalty.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Magnetite Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- APH511213
- VIN
- JF2SKAEC5PH511213
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Subaru of SpartanburgReviews
2023 Subaru Forester review
Likes: spacious interior despite modest exterior dimensions, easy to maneuver, great visibility all around, comfortable ride, good traction, handling, and braking, nice interior finish on sport model, strong steering responsive headlights yet they don't blind opposing traffic, very good optional Harmon sound system, numerous effective safety features, low insurance premiums, adequate acceleration..a few cons: actual economy slightly under EPA estimates, seat may be a bit too firm for some but easy to address by adding a thin seat cushion, mandatory sunroof on all but the base model..I wish Subaru would just make that a single option..rough engine start-stop ..however I disable it each time I start engine so it can be a non issue...no reliability issues yet but since this has a cvt and fairly complex safety features, long term reliability is unknown..
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