Used convertibles for sale near Germantown, MD
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$256,190
Est. $4,630/mo Exclusive Automotive Group
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Titanium
- Int. color
- Beluga
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 14-21
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 4.0L V8 32V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- 26N024567A
- VIN
- SCBDG4ZG0RC017657
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Exclusive Automotive Group -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Nero Noctis
- Int. color
- Nero Superleggera
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 10-15
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Manual
- Engine
- 5L V-10 DOHC, variable valve control, premium unleaded, engine w
- Stock #
- WJ7174
- VIN
- ZHWGU22T88LA07174
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Fishers Imports NWReviews
Fishers Imports NW review
I had a great experience with this dealership and I even bought the car that I inquired about. They have very nice high-end cars and they treat their customers with much respect.
2008 Lamborghini Gallardo review
This Car is an Awesome Ride, a Real Head Turner, People in the Street Stopping & taking Pics everywhere I go. The Ultimate Conversation starter. The Amazing Sound & the way the Car is Set up, you feel like your in F-1 Race Car every time your behind the Wheel. Going to Miss this Beauty Simply Stunning!!!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- GRAY
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 28840519
- VIN
- TRUT5CFV7H1020051
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax HartfordReviews
CarMax Hartford review
I purchased a 2009 Nissan Rogue on 10-11-12. It was an easy, actually fun experience. The sales man was not pushy, it was an easy process and everyone was very helpful. I love my new car. I would recomend carmax to anyone who wants a stress free car buying experience.
2017 Audi TT review
I've owned my 2017 Audi TT since new. It's a coupe with a back seat for my two Italian Greyhounds. They sit on a large cushion. The TT has plenty of room for trips and groceries because the rear setbacks fold down, so the trunk goes all the way to the front setbacks. I truly love the dual clutch sport mode which is faster and more accurate than a manual. It's available instantly by touching the shift lever. The driver can shift manually, sort of. The car will downshift automatically if speed drops too low in a gear and upshift when engine revs are too high. On the other hand there are shift paddles on the steering column that rotate with the steering wheel so they can rarely be found in spirited driving. The Quattro drive gives peace of mind in snow and ice. In fact I cannot think of any negatives about the car except for the stupid paddle shifters.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Hypnotique Red
- Int. color
- Saddle
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-36
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.4L I-4 MultiAir variable valve control, intercooled turbo, pre
- Stock #
- J0139534
- VIN
- JC1NFAEK2J0139534
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
MINI of TowsonReviews
MINI of Towson review
Allen and Wayne in the Mini of Towson service department provided multiple, discounted replacement parts including a new turbocharger (extended service contract) at no charge. They provided complete admin support for extended service contract coordination in addition to maintaining consistent communication of vehicle repair status every day. It's a big plus the loaner vehicle and payment processes are centralized making the experience much easier on the customer. Thanks to the service team!
2018 FIAT 124 Spider review
I bought my 2018 Red Fiat 124 Lusso 6 spd manual with 5000 km on the odometer so it was pretty much a new car and it looked new. This is the most fun to drive car I have over owned and at age 73 I have owned plenty of cars over my years. It looks like an Italian roadster should look with long front hood with a short rear deck and looks aggressive. It handles beautifully and takes corners with absolute accuracy plus no surprises. This isn’t a vehicle so see often on the streets so it really attracts attention and is a real conversation starter. I have never owned a car that attracts people and positive comments like this 124 does. For me this isn’t my everyday driver but it is what I drive when I want to have fun. The trunk is big enough that my wife and I have done 2 week outings and can easily fit enough in the trunk. It is reliable and I highly recommend it.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Island Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Carbon Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-38
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual
- Engine
- 1.5L I-3 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- R3R55585
- VIN
- WMW23DL00R3R55585
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
MINI of TowsonReviews
MINI of Towson review
very helpful and pleasant to work with got the car a wanted for the price that was quoted will recommend this dealership to my friends will go back if i need another car
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$74,244
Est. $1,342/mo Jerry's Chevrolet
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Rapid Blue
- Int. color
- Tension Blue/Twilight Blue Dipped
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 6.2L V-8 gasoline direct injection, variable valve control, prem
- Stock #
- C14036
- VIN
- 1G1YC3D46M5109699
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Jerry's ChevroletReviews
Jerry's Chevrolet review
Very courteous. Even though they had to order my parts, they kindly arranged for a ride home and back so I would not have to wait there. Thank you.
2021 Chevrolet Corvette review
This car is definitely and upgrade from my C7! The shifting, the handling and overall driving experience is amazing for the money! So fun to drive every time I get behind the wheel!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Vegas Red Metallic
- Int. color
- Beige
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3L I-6 direct injection, DOHC, Double VANOS variable valve contr
- Stock #
- T8F85728
- VIN
- 3MW43CM08T8F85728
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
BMW of TowsonReviews
BMW of Towson review
Christian was a great help, and the rest of the service staff I will definitely be comming back whenever I need service or a new vehicle.
2026 BMW M240 review
I shopped for this car for a very long time after researching online & test driving several at different dealerships. I had read great things about the B58 powertrain & as an enthusiast since my 1st BMW, a 2002tii manual to my last, a 2009 Z4 3.5i, wanted to try a newer generation. The car had a lot to live up to after owning 2 recent Porsche 991.2 911s and 2 Audi S5 as daily drivers. Only having this Vrgas Red M240i Xdrive less than a week, I'm not fully sold on the build as a great choice. My initial biggest disappointment & gripe is the $800s on my build for Carbon Fiber trim. I had passed on several other choices in build because I loved the CF in my S5s & was willing to wait for the option in my choice. Well, to my unpleasant surprise, driving the car in bright sun, the trim was nothing but CF look tape or decal. I was willing to pass on leather seats at $1,500 for an option that was nothing more than a deceptive, cheap-out wrap or laminated plastic. CF is a material. This was nothing but a simulated look. The rest of the interior follows suit. Not premium like my S5s or 911s were. At this price point, I can understand the downgrade. Fake trim at $800 In can't. On the positive side, the performance is what I expected. Wonderful power & decent handling for a very overweight sports coupe. Minimal turbo lag. The looks have grown on me. I ordered a more aesthetic trunk spoiler & plan to put on quad exhaust tips for some added flair. No other mods planned in ther near future. I give the overall experience a 9. I've had to tune an S5 manual supercharged coupe to get this power.
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$24,150
Est. $436/mo Easterns Automotive Group of Baltimore
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Oxford White
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 2.3L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valv
- Stock #
- 173006
- VIN
- 1FATP8UH6P5105653
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Easterns Automotive Group of BaltimoreReviews
Easterns Automotive Group of Baltimore review
Thanks Myron for all your help you did such a great job me and my family will be back soon.
2023 Ford Mustang review
I bought a GT Premium/California Special and love it. It has more bells and whistles than any Mustang I have ever owned. The Mustang is well insulated and is a solid vehicle.
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$46,325
Est. $837/mo AutoNation Toyota White Marsh
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Performance White
- Int. color
- Charcoal Black w/Black Accents
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual
- Engine
- 5.4L V-8 DOHC, intercooled supercharger, premium unleaded, engin
- Stock #
- C5229708
- VIN
- 1ZVBP8KS6C5229708
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
AutoNation Toyota White MarshReviews
AutoNation Toyota White Marsh review
We worked with Terry Haskins who was wonderful. He educated us on the whole process of obtaining a car at a dealership, clearly outlined the line-item costs in buying a car and made the whole process effortless. We are delighted with our new Toyota RAV4 Hybrid and will go back to buy from Terry when we are ready for our next car.
2012 Ford Shelby GT500 review
My dream car and easily the best car I’ve had. She’s strong and fast abut quiet enough to drive with grandma if you need to (just can’t lay into it). Obviously it isn’t a BMW or Audi, so the interior isn’t necessarily “state of the art” but it definitely well produced, easily functional, and moderately aesthetically pleasing. But we all know, know one gets this car for the material they use on the volume knob. I get head turns everyday and people absolutely love it. My favorite car and I can keep it until they tell us we can’t use gas anymore.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Glacier Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-34
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- U31966B
- VIN
- WBA1L9C54GV325526
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Sheehy Volvo Cars Hunt ValleyReviews
Sheehy Volvo Cars Hunt Valley review
Excellent Customer Service from service to sales. Employees remained consistent the buying process: returned emails and calls in a timely fashion. Would return and recommend
2016 BMW 228 review
2016 BMW 228i xdrive convertible. The best part: reliability. We are approaching 94k miles and we've had no issues with this car. It feels solid, which is remarkable for a convertible. Everything works just as it should with just routine maintenance. I have only three complaints: the sport seats are my number one complaint. The seat has great lumbar support and is supportive, but the side bolsters on the seat cushion are rock hard and hurt my hips. I have to use a pad to raise myself up a little to ease the pain. The 2nd complaint, and this is worth noting, in comfort mode the throttle can be slow to react. This is so bad it got me rear ended once because the car simply did nothing for several seconds when I pressed the pedal down. Sport mode cures this. Lastly, it requires premium gas. Ford and others get similar horsepower results with regular gas, so I think BMW should be able to also.
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$29,500
Est. $533/mo Ourisman Ford of Manassas
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Carbonized Grey Metallic
- Int. color
- Black Onyx
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 2.3L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve co
- Stock #
- P117002
- VIN
- 1FAGP8UH0S5117002
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Ourisman Ford of ManassasReviews
Ourisman Ford of Manassas review
Jhoydn was amazing!!!! Keep me up to date on the whole purchase. Bought the care site unseen and he shipped it to us.
2025 Ford Mustang review
I’ve owned my Mustang EcoBoost Premium Convertible for a while now, and it completely shatters the old stereotype that a Mustang needs a V8 to be a "real" sports car. It is the perfect platform for someone who wants open-air fun without sacrificing premium comfort, daily drivability, or cutting-edge technology. The stock EcoBoost engine is already incredibly punchy, but the platform reacts beautifully to the right modifications. Adding the Ford Performance Calibration—which ups the output to a serious 350 horsepower and 402 lb-ft of torque—along with a Mishimoto intercooler completely wakes the car up. To be honest, this is exactly how the car should have come from the factory if Ford wasn't so worried about tuning it down just to keep it 87-octane compatible. Running it on premium fuel with this calibration gives you massive low-end torque, immediate throttle response around town, and a relentless pull on the highway. Opting for the Premium trim is a must. The interior materials are a massive step up, making the cabin feel like a high-end grand tourer. I am especially happy with the tech in this car. I absolutely love the giant digital screen layout. While some Mustang purists don't like it and prefer old-school physical gauges, I am someone who always embraces new technology. Sitting in the driver's seat makes me feel like I am in an airplane cockpit. Features like the active cruise control work excellently on longer drives. The only thing I wish Ford had included in this tech package is a Head-Up Display (HUD). Because it's a convertible, you do have to deal with open-air road noise, and while the factory B&O sound system is decent, to me it was really lacking—especially with the top down. Fortunately, the platform is incredibly rewarding if you like to customize, so I upgraded the factory audio to a custom, high-end 3-way active system while retaining the stock head unit. Now, even with the top down on the highway, the audio clarity is absolutely incredible. If you are looking for a sharp, tech-forward sports car that delivers genuine performance, upscale daily comfort, and a brilliant platform for subtle, high-quality upgrades, the EcoBoost Premium Convertible is tough to beat.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Charcoal Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.7L V-6 DOHC, Ti-VCT variable valve control, regular gasoline,
- Stock #
- CT431B
- VIN
- 1ZVBP8EM6D5254221
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Premium Sound System
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Malloy ToyotaReviews
Malloy Toyota review
Traded in my Corolla for a Camry, great price and was in and out!! Thanks Jason for everything!!!
2013 Ford Mustang review
I absolutely love my beautiful Deep Impact Blue 6 Speed Manual 2013 Mustang GT. I've had her going on 10 years now. She's very fast, more so with my Brenspeed 97 Race Tune delivered by my Bama Tuner, 1 7/8 Kooks Long Tube Headers, X-Pipe, fed back to my Flowmaster 40 Outlaw Mufflers, an Airaid Cold Air Intake and in the very near future a Ported 2nd Gen Cobra Jet Intake with N/A Detroit Rocker. So fun to drive. Insane throttle Response with smooth handling, pure beast
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black Onyx
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 2.3L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve co
- Stock #
- 26305Z
- VIN
- 1FAGP8UH8R5133541
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bob Bell Nissan KiaReviews
Bob Bell Nissan Kia review
I came in for a new clutch. The service dept. person I spoke to was more than fair. He told me the repairs was more than the value of the car. I decided to buy a new car. I was directed to John Wyatt. He was excellent. He was professional, considerate and well - informed. He helped me pick the right car for me. I am very satisfied. Thank You!
2024 Ford Mustang review
Excellent value for the price. Do not purchase this vehicle without the active exhaust option. The fake vents are disappointing but otherwise the car is perfect.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Mineral White Metallic
- Int. color
- Canberra Beige
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed A/T
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, Double VANOS variable valve contr
- Stock #
- 578920A
- VIN
- WBA43AT00RCP49836
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
BMW of Owings MillsReviews
BMW of Owings Mills review
I understand why BMW of Owings Mills is rated a top dealership. David L. Was a pleasure to work with and extremely helpful throughout the entire process. His knowledge about BMW and his customer service was a huge factor in my decision to purchase my 2022 X7. I was in and out the door with my dream car in less than 3 1/2 hours.
2024 BMW 430 review
Recently purchased a 2024 4 series convertible. Love the way it looks and drives. ‘Ordered the car with the assumption that it had the cruise control and lane as dust that I was used to in my other vehicles. This car does not come standard with a front facing camera. Also does not come standard with the cruise that is what I call “radar” cruise. Just putting it out there for anyone shopping. I do love the car.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Brooklyn Grey Metallic
- Int. color
- Kyalami Orange/Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic Steptronic
- Engine
- 3L I-6 direct injection, DOHC, Double VANOS variable valve contr
- Stock #
- BL12176P
- VIN
- WBS33BA06PCL12176
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Passport BMWReviews
Passport BMW review
professional attitude. seems honest. Seems to be genuinely interested in making a sale. Better than most i have experienced
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