Used Ford cars for sale near Upton, MA
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- Ext. color
- Agate Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve
- Stock #
- PT3797
- VIN
- 2FMPK4J91PBA40167
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
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Rodman FordReviews
2023 Ford Edge review
I bought this vehicle in December of 2023, and I have been pleased with the performance and the room inside the car. The boot (trunk) has lots of space. The silver paint with the black wheels looks really sharp. The best appeal for me to purchase this vehicle is that it's reported to rarely need to be in the shop for repairs. It's always been my experience that if you take care of your vehicle then it will perform well.
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$56,674
Est. $970/mo Central Chrysler Jeep Dodge of Norwood
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- Ext. color
- Oxford White
- Int. color
- Dark Palazzo Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic with Overdrive
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, re
- Stock #
- 914287
- VIN
- 1FBAX9C81RKB00698
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Central Chrysler Jeep Dodge of NorwoodReviews
Central Chrysler Jeep Dodge of Norwood review
Tony and Justin made the experience of buying a car extremely easy and stress free. The customer service and knowledge that Tony demonstrated was the best I ever worked with. By far, the best car buying experience ever!
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- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 5.0L V8 32V PDI DOHC
- Stock #
- SPF85397
- VIN
- 1FTFX1E58JKF85397
Features
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Ron Bouchard Chrysler Dodge RAMReviews
Ron Bouchard Chrysler Dodge RAM review
The team was very kind and helpful to locate the car we were seeking. The sale was very comfortable and we were never rushed. Overall a pleasant experience
2018 Ford F-150 review
Eight years in my Ford truck. I love it. I looked at GM trucks (Chevy & GMC), still nowhere nears as comfortable as a Ford. Yes I’ve had all the known issues but carried warranties for my truck so transmission has been overhauled. Cam phasers twice (Covered by Ford one and Warranty 2nd time). Just overhauled the front end (bushings, control arm assembly, etc…). Truck still runs like new and rides even better now than when I bought, she is finally broken in and I love my truck. For taller drivers like me, Ford is way to go. Ford has more cabin space than any other truck out there. Ford trucks have the best styling and more towing capacity than anything else in the mkt. Next truck will either be a Raptor or F-250 super duty.
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- Ext. color
- White Gold
- Int. color
- Medium Light Stone
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-34
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Shiftable Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 1.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, Ti-VCT variab
- Stock #
- BLT26T1299A
- VIN
- 3FA6P0HD5HR227313
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Bob Johnson UsedReviews
Bob Johnson Used review
Great easy my salemen Jason was helpful and worked with me highly recommend . well worth the trip.
2017 Ford Fusion review
The Ford Fusion SE FWD has proved itself to be a solid choice. It is reliable in stop-and-go traffic and is nimble enough to overtake other cars on highways. It is also quite comfortable, although the headrest is quite uncomfortably placed. The suspension absorbs most of the road's vibrations. When turned on at lower speeds, the motor can be louder than expected, but the transition between electric and ICE power is quite smooth. The design is aggressive, and it looks quite good. The car is also reliable, and parts aren't hard to find. The infotainment system, however, is not as sophisticated as expected, but not in a pleasant way. Overall, I would still recommend the car; it's practical, reliable, and nimble.
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- Ext. color
- Space White Metallic
- Int. color
- Medium Dark Slate
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- 1-Speed Direct-Drive Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- GVD5350
- VIN
- 1FTVW3LU0SWG10744
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bob Johnson UsedReviews
Bob Johnson Used review
Bob Johnson LeRoy delivers exceptional service, honest communication, and a hassle-free buying experience. Their friendly, knowledgeable team makes every visit enjoyable.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Area 51
- Int. color
- Black Onyx
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-17
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.7L V6 24V PDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- 6652
- VIN
- 1FMEE5DP3PLB28877
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bonnell FordReviews
Bonnell Ford review
I only bring my Fords to Bonnell. My Fusion and Explorer (both purchased at Bonnell) are serviced without a problem. Done correctly the first time. In the rare event there is an issue, they take care of it with no argument.
2023 Ford Bronco review
I bought a brandnew 2023 Ford Bronco Black Diamond 2.7L with Sasquatch packaje in November 2024, there are no complains up to now, it runs better than I expected and is very comfortable inside. Acceleration is also better than expected in spite of 35 inches factory tires, I love it.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue Jeans Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-21
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V PDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- 26-F15018A
- VIN
- 1FTEW1E41LFA44063
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Bonnell FordReviews
Bonnell Ford review
Amazing service, Would love to thank Bonnell Motors for letting me buy my new car !
2020 Ford F-150 review
I was searching for a specific vehicle and I found a few on cars.com. 2020 F-150 Super Cab 2.7L Ecoboost, 10 speed transmission. At first I was concerned since I've never had a truck with a small V6. I was looking for good HP and good MPG. I liked the sporty trim STX look. Great acceleration and great MPG. Much better than my previous 2006 F-150 5.4L, which was a great truck, but it was time for a change. I do recommend this vehicle if you want MPG, power, and great towing capacity.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Agate Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.0L V6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- P8500
- VIN
- 1FM5K8GC4PGA68779
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Bonnell FordReviews
Bonnell Ford review
Richard King was very helpful and made this such a positive experience. He is responsive and dedicated to making sure that we enjoy the car.
2023 Ford Explorer review
Apple play used to connect but no longer does. Didn’t notice passenger door wasn’t installed properly until I took a road trip and the noise!!! Drivers side arm rest squeaks as though it’s about to come apart. Very noisy engine over 40 mph.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Oxford White
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 42-36
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I4 16V MPFI DOHC Hybrid
- Stock #
- P8440
- VIN
- 1FMCU9NZ1PUA31530
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Bonnell FordReviews
2023 Ford Escape review
Good on gas and a comfortable ride. Drive it to West Virginia and back home no problem. I like it a lot definitely recommend it for people who travel for work and schoool
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- Ext. color
- Oxford White
- Int. color
- Dark Palazzo Gray
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- E85 Flex Fuel
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V PDI DOHC Flexible Fuel
- Stock #
- P8502
- VIN
- 1FBAX2C86RKB12059
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Bonnell FordReviews
Bonnell Ford review
Quick friendly, service. Helpful personnel. Clean facility.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Eruption Green Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- 24-BST72
- VIN
- 3FMCR9D96RRF73753
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Bonnell FordReviews
Bonnell Ford review
Awesome and Attentive their staff did a great job on my car
2024 Ford Bronco Sport review
Great overall small SUV. Good styling, and a more truck feel than most small SUV's. Nice road feel. And good color selection. Definitely recommend this one.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Carbonized Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-31
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, iVCT variable v
- Stock #
- 21333
- VIN
- 1FMCU9NA8SUA42026
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Jaffarian ToyotaReviews
Jaffarian Toyota review
Thanks to Fernando Columna for his attention and professional treatment, this was a nice experience ; the way we were treated was exceptional and we are in love with our vehicle’s choice. Thanks for everything.
2025 Ford Escape review
traded in my 2016 Mustang GT in for the 2025 Escape and so far I'm loving it, good gas mileage, reliable, such a smooth ride and fun to drive.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Molten Magenta Metallic Tinted Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black Onyx
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 2.3L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve co
- Stock #
- 0047843A
- VIN
- 1FAGP8UH4T5105291
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Columbia FordReviews
Columbia Ford review
Went in for oil change and tire rotation. The friendliness of the service people and the quality of work is why I keep going back!
2026 Ford Mustang review
We have had the Mustang Ecoboost for sbout two weeks. We love the way the car looks (people staring all the time), we love the way the car handles and drives and it it is surprisingly fast. The torque comes on quick and at low RPM. We drive in SPORT mode all the time for very spirited driving. In TRACK mode it holds the rpms and is very fast. The cockpit is like a spaceship. We have an older GT but this cockpit is fantastic. Looking forward to tons of fun in this cincertible
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Carbonized Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 5L V-8 port/direct injection, DOHC, Ti-VCT variable valve contro
- Stock #
- K874A
- VIN
- 1FA6P8CF3M5137775
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
Dealer
Sullivan Brothers ToyotaReviews
Sullivan Brothers Toyota review
They were honest with me about pricing of the vehicle. I purchased their service department has been nothing short of exceptional. Turn around times of any sort of maintenance down the same day. They want your vehicle to run well. And that's evident by their thorough inspections. They won't perform a service. You didn't ask for and if it's a service you do ask for that. Normally doesn't occur at a certain mileage, or at that point in the car's lifetime, they're going to ask why, which shows you, that honest in upfront about therapy business are. Lastly, and i forget their names (im sorry guys) they were both around my age of 39, and one of them was just extremely professional. I'm greeted me got me in and out of there service wise. The other guy I was willing to work with me. Because I need to downsize the truck As a conversation got deeper, and i began talking about some ongoing thing health wise, he never stopped me, he just listened, then gave me words of encouragement, told me things always get better. And told me when I'm ready. Good people down there
2021 Ford Mustang review
I bought a 2021 Mustang Mach I and couldn’t be happier. The car is everything I dreamed of. The quality of the vehicle shows each and every time I drive it. Best vehicle I’ve owned. Sales staff was the greatest in helping me get my dream car.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Rapid Red Metallic Tinted Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Blue
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 3.5L V-6 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve co
- Stock #
- FP4488B
- VIN
- 1FTFW7LD1SFA48395
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Empire Ford Inc.Reviews
Empire Ford Inc. review
Great place for service and hassle-free purchase, Service Dept is great my truck is always done on time.
2025 Ford F-150 review
I purchased a new 2025 XLT powerboost about a month ago. Got around 1500 miles on it. The overall performance of the truck is awesome. Its a good looking truck. I have added tint windows, hard bed cover and I am getting the upgraded leather package for it as well. The gas mileage is great and with hybrid it gets even better. The handling is good. The stop & go is also great. I went from a 2020 Nissan Titan to this F150 and must say I am impressed overall with the truck. I happy about the warranty that ford provided and look to maybe get the extended warranty when the time comes.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Magnetic Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 15-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 5L V-8 port/direct injection, DOHC, Ti-VCT variable valve contro
- Stock #
- 009-26-283T
- VIN
- 1FA6P8CF4L5191651
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Stability Control
Dealer
Modern Auto SalesReviews
Modern Auto Sales review
Another buyer beat me to the car but I was very impressed by the professionalism, information and great communication provided by this dealership!
2020 Ford Mustang review
I love this car. So many mods can be done to make it your own and unique to you. Move currently produces more hp than a stock GT 350. The looks and performance are outstanding for a car in this price range. My only gripes are that occasionally one of the mirrors (actually happens on both sides just not at the same time) will go all the way in one direction until it can't go anymore then click constantly until you press that mirror and touch the manual adjust button. Then you can hit your pre set of you have one and everything will be fine. It's always when I unlock the car to get in that this happens and it's totally random. If course the dealer can never find anything wrong with it. My other gripe was that on occasion it wouldn't recognize my fob. The only way I could start the car was to lift up the cup holder mat and stick the fob in the slot. But then if I went somewhere and turned the car off, it would be fine. Again totally weird and random. Overall though, I wouldn't give this car up for anything. So much fun to drive, and the sound of that V8 exhaust just gets the blood flowing. Not to mention the all the looks you'll get from people.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Antimatter Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- E85 Flex Fuel
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 5.0L V8 32V PDI DOHC Flexible Fuel
- Stock #
- CG13148A
- VIN
- 1FTFW1E58PKF14342
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Tasca Mazda CranstonReviews
Tasca Mazda Cranston review
I recently had a problem with my 2022 CX5 headlight fan with 27k miles on my SUV. The fan that cools the headlights continues to run after the car is shut off. I reached out to Tasca Corp and got a case #. I was told to get a diagnostic done to find out what the problem is. I was also told if the repair is extensive to call the Mazda Customer Experience Center for review for assistance with cost eligibility. I went to get a diagnostic at Tasca in Cranston RI. I worked with Julie Mahoney who was both professional and kind. Tasca helped reach out to Mazda Corp on my behalf. Even though they were unsuccessful in getting Mazda Corp to assist with the extremely expensive repair cost ($2,600) Julie was able to help me by waiving the diagnostic cost, not charging for the rental, and offered a discount on my oil change and tire rotation. Thank you Tasca Mazda for assisting, but still not happy with Mazda Corp for not helping with the repair cost of a known faulty part. Look up TSB SA013223. It’s a well documented issue on the 2022 CX5, yet Mazda Corp refused to assist because I was 2k miles over the warranty.
2023 Ford F-150 review
My experience is very positive. Great looks. Great power. Fit finish inside and out first class. Handling on road no complaints. Off road the truck is a beast. 34” tires help appearance and ground clearance. I think it’s the right choice in this segment of trucks. But man the recalls blow. This axle bolt half shaft one has taken forever to get done. It kinda throws manure on a great truck. Other than that it’s a keeper ! The ecoboost 3.5 is really strong. It also sounds like a small V6 which is not so great. As long as it keeps small V6ing and doesn’t break I’m good. But no coyote sound check needed. The paint is maybe the biggest surprise. It’s really good. Interior highlights are just normal comfortable observations. Nothing over the top but adequate. It handles deep snow well. It handles 75 mph in 100 degree heat well. It’s smooth sleek and fast. Stopping power is real good. I’d buy another one for sure. It has the recall issues but they all do so that’s all l gotta say about that.
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