Used GMC Terrain SLE for sale near LaBarque Creek, MO
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ebony Twilight Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- R88525
- VIN
- 3GKALTEG4PL157020
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
AutoCenters NissanReviews
AutoCenters Nissan review
i meet steven online for a purchase a vehicle he take all time to help me a out everything go smooth even finance help me a lot first time i buy a car finance persone help the really good i from florida i go all the day to get this car cus they take of me thank you again steven for helping me
2023 GMC Terrain review
We purchased the Denali Terrain 2023. The car is great. I have had four knee surgeries and needed a car to get in and out easily and comfort seating. The controls for adjusting the seat just the way you like are great. I am troubled also by back problems and totally love the heated seat when needed. Sometimes I just want to ride around and turn the heat on and adjust seat so my back feels better. The different controls and are numerous. I love the safety control warnings and info with traffic. The screen is fabulous and helps so much. When ever I park I like to drive in and park and then hold on brake put it in reverse so the screen then comes on and shows how I parked. I like the levers in cargo area for putting seats down and also like how flat they sit. Plenty of room. The back seat is roomy even when person in front is back. Enjoy being up higher than a vehicle. I feel I can see more and it also makes me feel safer. The Terrain looks beautiful and love all the chrome in front. The car seems bumpy but not as bad as our last. The roads are in rough shape here. It has a lot of pick-up my husband demonstrated that to me and he wont be doing that again unless it is necessary. It is a turbo 4 cylinder and can not believe the power you feel. All in all Iove the car and getting good mileage. Purchased car from Boucher in Waukesha. They were not pushy. Explained everything in detail and were very fair. Great place to purchase!
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$20,995
Est. $383/mo Laura Chevrolet Buick GMC of Sullivan, LLC
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ebony Twilight Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, interco
- Stock #
- G261123A
- VIN
- 3GKALMEG5RL343917
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Laura Chevrolet Buick GMC of Sullivan, LLCReviews
Laura Chevrolet Buick GMC of Sullivan, LLC review
I purchased a 2026 Buick Encore GX from James Warden. He did a great job finding me the right car for me. I love my new car. In the future, I will definitely be going back to buy from them again.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, intercooled turbo, regular gasoline, engine with 175HP
- Stock #
- T260654B
- VIN
- 3GKALMEG4RL150402
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
George Weber Chevrolet ColumbiaReviews
George Weber Chevrolet Columbia review
Tony was amazing. Made buying my first car easy and understandable. Would recommend if you're looking for a car.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, interco
- Stock #
- T3741A
- VIN
- 3GKALMEG3RL333614
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
HW Kia of West CountyReviews
HW Kia of West County review
All guys on this service is very good and I hope in the future they gonna stay like that.
2024 GMC Terrain review
The GMC Terrain is a very dependable auto that I have had no issues. The model is the AT4, which has the headsup display. Interior is nice with leather and all the electronics options.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Riptide Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbocharged Gas I4 1.5L/
- Stock #
- BG35910A
- VIN
- 3GKALMEG6RL154726
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Lou Fusz Buick GMCReviews
Lou Fusz Buick GMC review
Fantastic sales by Gus Loftus and support from Quinton. So glad We shopped at Lou Fusz. I’m anticipating good customer service.
2024 GMC Terrain review
One of the most attractive looking t cars GMC has ever designed. Looks just like a Lexus. Extremely roomy. Love every aspect of my Terrain.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue Emerald Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- F6564A
- VIN
- 3GKALMEV4KL396449
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Clement FordReviews
Clement Ford review
My fiancé bought a new Ford from Jim Fox, and we had nothing but a fantastic experience with him. Give him a raise!
2019 GMC Terrain review
I have owned my Terrain for 3 months now, and am absolutely in love with it. Super smooth, great pick up, and I get a lot of complements on both the exterior and interior design. I average 26.3 MPG city and highway combined, which is not bad considering I live in Florida so my AC is never off in the car.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, interco
- Stock #
- 206254-1
- VIN
- 3GKALTEGXRL303410
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
St. Charles NissanReviews
St. Charles Nissan review
After multiple negative experiences at other dealerships, Gabe went above and beyond to find a safe, reliable vehicle at a stellar price. He answered all of my questions, kept me informed throughout the entire process and made the entire thing a very positive experience. I would recommend anyone on the hunt for a vehicle to Gabe!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ebony Twilight Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- R88525
- VIN
- 3GKALTEG4PL157020
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
AutoCenters NissanReviews
AutoCenters Nissan review
i meet steven online for a purchase a vehicle he take all time to help me a out everything go smooth even finance help me a lot first time i buy a car finance persone help the really good i from florida i go all the day to get this car cus they take of me thank you again steven for helping me
2023 GMC Terrain review
We purchased the Denali Terrain 2023. The car is great. I have had four knee surgeries and needed a car to get in and out easily and comfort seating. The controls for adjusting the seat just the way you like are great. I am troubled also by back problems and totally love the heated seat when needed. Sometimes I just want to ride around and turn the heat on and adjust seat so my back feels better. The different controls and are numerous. I love the safety control warnings and info with traffic. The screen is fabulous and helps so much. When ever I park I like to drive in and park and then hold on brake put it in reverse so the screen then comes on and shows how I parked. I like the levers in cargo area for putting seats down and also like how flat they sit. Plenty of room. The back seat is roomy even when person in front is back. Enjoy being up higher than a vehicle. I feel I can see more and it also makes me feel safer. The Terrain looks beautiful and love all the chrome in front. The car seems bumpy but not as bad as our last. The roads are in rough shape here. It has a lot of pick-up my husband demonstrated that to me and he wont be doing that again unless it is necessary. It is a turbo 4 cylinder and can not believe the power you feel. All in all Iove the car and getting good mileage. Purchased car from Boucher in Waukesha. They were not pushy. Explained everything in detail and were very fair. Great place to purchase!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 28995607
- VIN
- 3GKALTEVXKL123705
Features
- Convenience
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
Dealer
CarMax LexingtonReviews
CarMax Lexington review
Talked to Stephanie on the phone and through text. She was able to give me all the info I needed and was very friendly. Called a few days later to pay the shipping fee up front to order my new truck.
2019 GMC Terrain review
I brought this truck in 2019. I kept taking it back to the dealership to get tweaked several times. Once it was figured out, never got any problems ever again. A little weak on the power side, but, other than that, its a magnificent vehicle. A total work horse. Great on gas. It is totally worth it.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 28803936
- VIN
- 3GKALMEV0KL121550
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
Dealer
CarMax AlgonquinReviews
2019 GMC Terrain review
This is my first suv and I was overwhelmed with the style and performance. I have been purchasing General Motor vehicles for a long time. GMC terrain sle is a outstanding investment. I'm enjoying my retirement and my new GMC 👶
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ebony Twilight Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- PBH3641
- VIN
- 3GKALTEG3RL394357
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Bommarito Honda SuperstoreReviews
Bommarito Honda Superstore review
I bought a pre owned Honda from Neil Smith. He is a wonderful salesman. He paid attention to detail and stayed within my budget and worked with me until we were able to come to an agreement. He answered all my questions and at the end of the deal I was completely satisfied with my purchase. He is a great asset to Bommarito Honda and if anyone is looking to buy a car please ask for Neil Smith you will not be disappointed!!!!
2024 GMC Terrain review
I always bought the GMC Acadia (4 times) but decided to try the terrain. I absolutely love it and it's a great car for zipping around in town. I would take it for a weekend trip but not on a long trip as it doesn't have a lot of cab room, but for two people it is fine
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Smokey Quartz Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- T260205A
- VIN
- 3GKALMEV5KL233406
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Newbold ToyotaReviews
Newbold Toyota review
They were so fantastic-Super profesh on phone and in person both! Highly recommend this place!
2019 GMC Terrain review
This car is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than i thought it would be! It is beautiful, tinted and very comfortable!!! i wont ie i look good riding in my baby
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- 16142C
- VIN
- 3GKALMEV2LL273539
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Auffenberg Auto MallReviews
Auffenberg Auto Mall review
Everyone was very cordial and very helpful in purchasing my new car. Hat off to John and Shawn.
2020 GMC Terrain review
I have had this car 5 years 90000 km. No problems so far, it has been exceptionally good. The only money I have spent is gas and oil changes. I. Would buy another one
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sterling Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, interco
- Stock #
- G4006
- VIN
- 3GKALMEG2RL392685
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Bommarito ToyotaReviews
Bommarito Toyota review
This was my first experience with Toyota and it was a positive one. I came to Bommarito Toyota to test drive a pre-owned Mercedes Benz. The sales person I was referred, Tommy Morris, was very nice and friendly. There was no pressure. His main concern was that we were satisfied. He was a great person to deal with for my recent purchase of a used car. I might have made it easy on him because they had the car I came to look at priced right so we didn't feel the need to haggle. Nevertheless, he was super friendly, extremely patient and worked to make sure that I left a satisfied customer. In addition,the finance man (Paul) was outstanding as well. He explained the best options available for monthly payments and length of contract. I was made to feel comfortable during the entire purchasing process. Buying from Bommarito was a unique experience. This was a pleasant car purchasing experience for my husband and I. We felt our business was truly appreciated. I will definitely refer family, friends and neighbors to this location.
2024 GMC Terrain review
It’s beautiful,gas efficient,and has plenty of leg room inside !! I love everything about it !I brought it all the way from Baytown Texas to Atl
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$23,271
Est. $424/mo Clement Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram Florissant
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- K2496M
- VIN
- 3GKALTEGXRL349223
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Clement Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram Florissant -
Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- L266423A
- VIN
- 3GKALMEV5LL344734
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Laura Buick GMCReviews
Laura Buick GMC review
Recently had brakes done on my Canyon. Haley was service under writer. Was extremely happy with how she handled everything, very polite and professional. Noted on paper work of an oil leak, already had extended warranty approval and loaner arranged, just needed to make the appointment. Thanks to everyone
2020 GMC Terrain review
I had my 2020 Terrain for 5 years before I had any major issues out of it. My brake booster needed replaced. After about a month of it being out the shop someone hit and totaled it. Very sad day. I love my Terrain
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- U6160
- VIN
- 3GKALMEG2RL282994
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Quality Buick GMC CadillacReviews
Quality Buick GMC Cadillac review
Amanda gillis did an amazing job and got me a great deal shes awesome and really nice.
2024 GMC Terrain review
To be honest, this SUV impressed me with the great performance even with the small 1.5 liter engine, and huge space inside, it rides like a bigger vehicle, very responsive on the highway and very quiet cabin. My wife really liked it.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Volcanic Red Tintcoat
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, interco
- Stock #
- U7268
- VIN
- 3GKALTEG2PL163771
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
St. Louis CDJRReviews
2023 GMC Terrain review
Pleased with overall package. Not for speed enthusiasm driving but will get you there. Average gas mileage. Ride not the smoothest but okay. Overall, I'm pleased. Haven't had an American car in years. This Terrain SLT is nice 👍🏾.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sterling Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- C19984M
- VIN
- 3GKALTEG1RL338627
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Clement Pre-Owned (Florissant)Reviews
Clement Pre-Owned (Florissant) review
Brandon Wallace got me approved for a luxury car just like that. Thank you again.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- J347723
- VIN
- 3GKALTEVXML347723
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Westplex Auto GroupReviews
2021 GMC Terrain review
READ PLEASE I love my Terrain. DO NOT get the 1.5 L. My engine has barely made it over 100,000 I have had $6k of repairs in less than a year. Things keep going wrong now. I had NO issues before. Catalytic converter went out 75-85k miles. My turbo was just replaced. Just beware of this type of engine… every mechanic that worked on it shared this is not uncommon for this type. I would definitely get another terrain but not the 1.5!
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