Used cars for sale near Wright, NY under $60,000
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$46,675
Est. $859/mo Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram of Amsterdam
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-22
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.0L V6 24V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- U0672
- VIN
- WP1AA2AY3PDA00786
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram of AmsterdamReviews
2023 Porsche Cayenne review
One of the top 3 best SUVs in the market by far, only rivaled by RR and Bentley. The quality is flawless; it drives like a car but with the comfort of a luxury SUV. Best of both worlds. I have a 911 and I am shocked how fantastic is the driving experience of the Cayenne
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$23,175
Est. $427/mo Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram of Amsterdam
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.3L I4 16V GDI SOHC Turbo Hybrid
- Stock #
- U0941
- VIN
- ZASPATCW1R3026975
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
Dealer
Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram of AmsterdamReviews
2024 Alfa Romeo Tonale review
What a fun car to drive and incredibly efficient. With a short commute to work, I can go several months without filling up the 10 gal tank. On longer highway trips, it still gets 40+ MPG. The Active Assist lane centering feature is really nice too. Highly recommend.
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$25,675
Est. $473/mo Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram of Amsterdam
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Diamond Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- U0200
- VIN
- 2C4RC1BG8SR516985
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram of AmsterdamReviews
2025 Chrysler Pacifica review
Nice vehicle. We purchased new...price was one reason why compared to other vans. Our old vehicle was a Town & Country, this vehicle has some pleasant surprises. Better power and a better ride. Handling & response are very good, not clumsy like some vans. Great safety features throughout the vehicle. Things I don't like... the power rear side flare windows are gone and there isn't as much storage . In order to get better storage, you have to upgrade to higher end models. No overhead storage panel in some models. I certainly don't like the fact that there is no spare tire anymore but I know that the car industry is moving that way, which is just a cost saving measure for them. Door protection side strips have disappeared - they used to just be a standard item but now, are an "option", which is pretty lame. Roof pillars tend to cause more obstruction in my view as I'm driving but the Pacifica has alert safety features that are helpful. Information screen is pretty easy on Chrysler. Overall, its a nice vehicle.
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$30,950
Est. $570/mo DePaula Chevrolet
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Cherry Red
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-22
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 5.3L V8 16V GDI OHV
- Stock #
- 9T3259
- VIN
- 3GCUYEED5MG479939
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
DePaula ChevroletReviews
DePaula Chevrolet review
Khan the salesman was excellent. We told him what we wanted and they made it happen. We were done with the deal in recorded timing.
2021 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 review
A hard clunk bump on acceleration still looks new I've got a 24 mile stretch of road. Need reliable Vehicle. No break downs ....................................... No more to write.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Nordic Forest Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, i-VTEC variable valve control, re
- Stock #
- CIP31833
- VIN
- 3CZRZ2H51RM732179
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Mohawk HondaReviews
2024 Honda HR-V review
I have owned my HR-V for about a month. Did have to tint my windows was no big deal. I think it had great power has alot on get up and go. Just the right size for me. Still learning what all the buttons do. Overall I am very pleased. First Honda owned.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Meteorite Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, interco
- Stock #
- CUP31730
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H48RH434103
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Mohawk HondaReviews
2024 Honda CR-V review
My CR-V EXL is outstanding overall. It was a little pricy but worth it so far. I have over 11,000 miles on it in a little over a year.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Urban Gray Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, interco
- Stock #
- CUP31818
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H45RH455023
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Mohawk HondaReviews
Mohawk Honda review
The staff member at this dealership were very helpful, accommodating and understanding. They took the time to work with me knowing my situation and we were able to close the deal.
2024 Honda CR-V review
Can't enjoy music or conversation while driving due to road and outside noise. I'm used to a Ford f150 that is very comfortable and quiet.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, interco
- Stock #
- CZ0627A
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H75RH458370
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Mohawk HondaReviews
2024 Honda CR-V review
My 2024 Honda CR-V is everything I expected and more. It has great pickup, quick stopping ability, U-turn small radius like I've never seen, and good on gas mileage.
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$22,850
Est. $421/mo DePaula Chevrolet
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 1.2L I3 12V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- 10T3317
- VIN
- KL47LBE29RB136019
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
DePaula ChevroletReviews
DePaula Chevrolet review
I had a great experience with DEPAULA Chevrolet every time I go there they are fast and the atmosphere is very friendly and welcoming with free coffee and breakfast snacks thank you for taking care of my vehicle I will always be grateful to bring my car here
2024 Buick Envista review
Working on 2 years now with my new Buick, looking at this vehicle from the outside you really feel like you’re looking at an expensive car, the inside of the car is nicely done for the price point. First model year for the Envista. You have to expect some issues., I had my car in twice to have the radio reprogrammed or updated whichever you wanna call it. I’ve had the sunroof motor replaced as that has worn out. I haven’t had any other issues with the vehicle, the ride is great. It’s fairly quiet, it gets great gas mileage and it totally suits my need as far as space , comfort, and appearance. There are just a couple of things that I would change about this vehicle if I could. First, I would upgrade the sound system to something better, the sound system is pretty good but I bought the Avenir and one would think that model should’ve had a premium sound system. Express up windows could’ve been added, not just expressed down. The car could’ve used some additional sound deadening material. Buick are known for being quiet vehicles, I think the additional sound deadening and also maybe an 18 inch wheel in the satin nickel finish would’ve been nice. I have the 19 inch wheels and I think the 18 inch would’ve given it a better ride but it’s still pretty decent. The car is quiet however it is not that Buick quiet that I’ve had before in other Buicks. Would I buy this car again, probably not but not because there’s anything wrong with it, just because I would probably want to change. I’m at retirement age so I did buy this vehicle knowing I’m going to keep it probably as my last vehicle. Is it a nice vehicle absolutely, is it worth the money? Absolutely, should you buy one of these that’s entirely up to you after a test driving it, but I don’t think you would be disappointed as long as you understand what you’re paying for. You are not spending 40 to 50,000 on a vehicle buying this car and you’re getting something that looks definitely like it could be worth 40,000.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Fluid Metal
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 30-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- Nu PE 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular unlead
- Stock #
- SU861563R
- VIN
- KMHLS4DG0SU861563
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Lia Hyundai AlbanyReviews
Lia Hyundai Albany review
Seen promptly and treated professionally very happy with agent and service was in and out in 20 minutes no charge for covered service
2025 Hyundai ELANTRA review
We are very pleased with our purchase. This is our second Hyundai and part of our purchase decision was based on excellent warranty service on our first car. This Elantra has had excellent reliability and wonderful gas mileage. Comfortable with better performance than expected. The price range for purchase was just what we needed.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 28466493
- VIN
- 1C4RJFBG3EC567889
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
CarMax AlbanyReviews
CarMax Albany review
My boyfriend and I don't speak English very well. But the assistants in Carmax are very patient. They helped us a lot. We bought the BMW x3 and are satisfied with it.
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee review
We purchased our 2014 Grand Cherokee Overland new and after 11 years and almost 150,000 miles it easily the BEST vehicle we have ever owned. It is comfortable, delivers reasonable mileage, is quiet, well built, incredibly durable and looks as good today as the day we took delivery.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Nordic Forest Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, i-VTEC variable valve control, re
- Stock #
- CUP31746
- VIN
- 3CZRZ2H51VM719846
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Mohawk HondaReviews
2027 Honda HR-V review
I went from a 2017 Honda HR V with 113,000 miles to a 2027 Honda HR V with 7 miles and I love it! I hated to say good bye to my 2017, but when they offered me $7,000.00 on a trade in, I decided I had gotten my money's worth out of my first one and it was time to upgrade. I went with a black exterior and a black leather interior so that I could have the sun roof. Nothing better than turning on the heated seats and opening the sun roof on a sunny 40 degree day in January. This model is a bit bigger and I appreciate the extra size. I loved my 2017 and I really love my 2027!
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$45,520
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Shimmering Silver
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic with SHIFTRONIC
- Engine
- Smartstream 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, CVVT variable
- Stock #
- PH275744L
- VIN
- 5NMJFCAE5PH275744
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Lia Hyundai AlbanyReviews
Lia Hyundai Albany review
Service tech was prompt and professional. Michael Carpenter explained all work performed and all costs involved. Got me in and out of there in less time than I expected. I was very pleased.
2023 Hyundai TUCSON review
I've had this vehicle limited fwd edition over a year now and it's still awesome as the first day I bought it. Smoother ride and quieter ride than the Honda CRV or the Toyota RAV4. I love that it has GDI and multiport injection which the competition does not. I also love that it has a regular transmission and not a CVT. This vehicle comes with all the luxuries my old Cadillacs had plus a lot more features. This car has plenty of pick up and go. You just have to learn to push down on the accelerator not punch it. I would highly recommend this to anyone in the small SUV class. Cause believe me I test drove them all, and this was by far the quietest smoothest ride and most comfortable car that I test drove.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Platinum White Pearl
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, interco
- Stock #
- CUP31597
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H49RH457731
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Mohawk HondaReviews
2024 Honda CR-V review
Purchased at Lease return, a 2019 with 20k miles, I am at 70k and its been consistent. Gas, Oil change, minor filters, wipers etc. getting average around town 32 MPG on long trips if i stay under or at 70 MPH it gets close to 40 MPG (Its not a hybrid)
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sterling Metallic
- Int. color
- After Dark
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic with Overdrive
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, interco
- Stock #
- UPR31772
- VIN
- 3GKALUEGXTL392859
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Mohawk HondaReviews
2026 GMC Terrain review
This will be my 3rd GMC Terrain. Each has been reliable for me, and on my 1st put over 200,000 miles on before trading in. for this 2026 I traded in my 2020 with almost 100,000 miles, but the deal was right and came at a good time. I love the comfort of this year's version, the acceleration and performance outdo previous versions. Spacious for 4, and room enough for 5, with plenty of cargo space. Compared to other cars of similar size and style, this one was right!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 30-41
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 70102474
- VIN
- 3MZBM1U75GM260344
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Rain Sensing Wipers
Dealer
CarMax AlbanyReviews
2016 Mazda Mazda3 review
I bought the 2016 Mazda 3 with manual transmission brand new. Since then I've driven 280,000 miles through new York City traffic . I've just change my original clutch at 278000 . Most reliable car ever owned!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-22
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- EcoBoost 3.5L V6 GTDi DOHC 24V Twin Turbocharged
- Stock #
- 97205
- VIN
- 1FMJU2AT9LEA34745
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Metro FordReviews
Metro Ford review
The whole staff were friendly and energetic and treated me like a family member. Thanks again for your concerns. I'm very excited to know Metro Ford gave me a New beginning. Thanks again
2020 Ford Expedition review
2020 Ford Expedition was purchased Feb 2020 (Springfield Va). I started having transmission problems Jun 2020 (15,000 miles). I informed my service representative what was occurring during an oil change and she informed that she would have a transmission specialist look at it. I was given the all ok and l departed, but my transmission is still producing a rattling sound and it buck's when l go from park to drive, also when it changes gears it slips from time yo time. This is my Fourth new Expedition and l have never experienced anything like this. I have made 4 request that they check my transmission and it has always come back (No problem). Oct 2022 l received a call from the service department stating that my truck hadn't been in over a year. I indicated to them that l was last in for an oil change with them, April 2022. Not only did they not have records showing my oil changes, but they didn't record any of my complaints about my transmission. I took my truck to AAMCO and they indicated that it was an electrical component ( brains of the trans) that was faulty and that l needed to return to Ford to repair. I attempted to have this resolved before my warranty expired and now l have no warranty on it because l'm at 95K miles on my truck. I know that there is a recall on 2015-2019 Ford Expedition for faulty transmission gear box. I'm experiencing the exact same issue with my transmission. Vin #1MJK1JT8LEA27351 Model: XLT Max Grey
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Urban Gray Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- 2L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, i-VTEC variable valve control, re
- Stock #
- CUP31859
- VIN
- 3CZRZ2H50RM704292
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Mohawk HondaReviews
2024 Honda HR-V review
So slow it’s almost unsafe! Front seats are not comfortable. Blind spot in side mirrors. Everything else is good. Base engine needs 40 more horses. Sport trim should have a turbo engine.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black Obsidian
- Int. color
- Monaco Red
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- VC-Turbo 2L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve cont
- Stock #
- PF113728P
- VIN
- 3PCAJ5FB6PF113728
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Lia INFINITIReviews
Lia INFINITI review
Michael Bingham was a service manager and he was very helpful and got us in and out efficiently with all the work done in a timely manner. Thanks Michael!
2023 INFINITI QX50 review
Goran and Brandon at Orlando Infiniti are the best sales people and general sales manager. They are a pleasure to deal with this is my 10th lease with this dealership. They are amazing very knowledgeable and always willing to help.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Canyon River Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-31
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, interco
- Stock #
- CZ0430A
- VIN
- 2HKRS4H70TH473205
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Mohawk HondaReviews
2026 Honda CR-V review
It is a great ride and the features are amazing It was very affordable . The color is great also very roomy and stylish I would recommend it to anyone looking for a crv
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Pearl White Tricoat
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT with Xtronic
- Engine
- VQ 3.5L V-6 direct injection, DOHC, CVTCS variable valve control
- Stock #
- UP31604
- VIN
- 1N4AA6FV2PC512963
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Mohawk HondaReviews
2023 Nissan Maxima review
This is my 4th Maxima. I have the SR version and it has four things that I don’t like. The CVT, cheap paint, “too light” steering in corners and the harsh ride. The CVT is actually not bad but I prefer a true automatic or manual gear box for more spirited driving. I had my CVT fluid changed at the dealer at 23,000 miles, I’m gonna keep a schedule to change it every 20,000 miles or two years to be on the safe side. The paint job is probably the cheapest quality paint I’ve ever seen on a car. It scratches easily and I’m sure with the Vegas heat, it will probably be prone to fade in 3 years so I got it treated to prevent that from happening. The steering is fine in straight driving and changing lanes but when you hit a curve, it feels so light that it’s like being disconnected from the road. This is the first car I’ve ever had that felt that way. Lastly is the harsh ride. I like a vehicle that has a firm but composed ride. It’s composed but too firm. I think I’m gonna buy some Continentals, the rubber is softer than what I have now. I bought this car as a collector item I want to fix up that I drive only a few times because they don’t make them anymore. It’s a nice ride but Nissan should have let it go out in style. They should have made it all wheel drive and a 9 speed automatic. I may look into getting it converted but it’s gonna cost a lot to do it. It’s a very nice car, gets good gas mileage and is trouble free so far. Nissan should have kept it around and just updated it.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Amazon Gray
- Int. color
- Light Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 30-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- Nu PE 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular gasoli
- Stock #
- SU958191R
- VIN
- KMHLP4DG1SU958191
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Lia Hyundai AlbanyReviews
Lia Hyundai Albany review
Lia Hyundai is an excellent dealership!! Management, Sales and Service are Excellent. Everyone is pleasant and professional. Especially Harris Bhatti & Caitlin Bendick they both go above and beyond to make a customer happy. Her sales knowledge and customer service is pristine. Harris makes the stress of purchase or leasing a car comfortable, relaxed and stress free. I have purchased and leased several vehicles from this dealership. I send all My Family and Friends to Lia Hyundai!
2025 Hyundai ELANTRA review
This is the first car I have bought brand new in Sept of 2024. It is an extremely nice looking car. I had bought the turbo, N-Line version because I wanted more power. For the almost 2 years I have had it now, it runs great. I have only had one issue of the ABS module going bad in it. That was an uphill battle with getting the dealership to take a stab at fixing the problem (claiming the manufacturer wouldn't allow them to make guesses on issues unless they experienced it firsthand). Thankfully months later (and from getting in contact with the manufacturer directly), the problem of the ABS kicking on briefly had been resolved. This issue was extremely sporadic so it was hard to identify. I now have 20k miles put on this car and I love it. It runs great, the turbo could engage a bit faster compared to other comparable cars I have driven, but besides that it is very nice. Interior is fantastic beside the weird passenger, center-console handle. I'd recommend this to anyone looking for a new, base model car. You can get the more expensive packages if wanted, but the price of the base model would warrant enough of a purchase out of me.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Intense Blue
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 31-40
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- Nu PE 2L I-4 DOHC, D-CVVT variable valve control, regular unlead
- Stock #
- RU737532
- VIN
- KMHLM4DGXRU737532
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Lia Hyundai AlbanyReviews
Lia Hyundai Albany review
Andrew who assisted me in leasing the 2026 Grey venue was professional and efficient in making the lease go through.
2024 Hyundai ELANTRA review
Elantra 2024 hybrid is a stylish, powerful, great on gas, and nice to drive on highway or around town. Seems durable so far, no issues.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Magnetic Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 41-38
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- eCVT
- Engine
- Dynamic Force 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, VVT-i variab
- Stock #
- SJ070305R
- VIN
- JTMRWRFV4SJ070305
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Lia Toyota of ColonieReviews
Lia Toyota of Colonie review
Jarred Cain was awesome keep me updated on what was going on with my vehicle
2025 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid review
It’s a great practical car. No frills, reliable, and spacious. Very efficient given its size and space. Is it going to win any competitions for speed and luxury? No. But will it get you from A to B with a bunch of space, slowly sipping on gasoline? Yes!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Garnet Pearl Metallic
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-36
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, CVTCS variable valve control, r
- Stock #
- 3260714P
- VIN
- 1N4BL4DW5PN426064
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Destination NissanReviews
Destination Nissan review
I went to Destination Nissan on July 6 to purchase a new 2026 Rogue. I meet Ian Leon. I told him what I was looking for. He went out of his way to help me. A few hours later. I purchase a 2026 Rogue SV. I was very happy with it and Ian did a great job.
2023 Nissan Altima review
I bought my Nissan Altima in August at Lee Nissan in topsham, Maine. I absolutely love it . It rides great steers amazing and has the get up and go that I have missed . It’s sharp looking and I have had a lot of compliments on the color it says grey but looks purple sometimes or at night it looks white..
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Serenity White
- Int. color
- Dark Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-37
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic with SHIFTRONIC
- Engine
- Smartstream 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, CVVT variable
- Stock #
- PA272650T
- VIN
- KMHL64JA1PA272650
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Lia Hyundai AlbanyReviews
Lia Hyundai Albany review
Karen Kingsley was an outstanding sales professional. She was incredibly thorough and knowledgeable throughout the entire process. Karen is caring, kind, and genuinely committed to helping her customers—she would never steer you wrong when purchasing a vehicle. She truly deserves a rating higher than excellent.
2023 Hyundai SONATA review
Purchased a 2023 Hyundai Sonata SEL. The car had 27000 miles on it. It met my requirements for power, ride, comfort, and options. I've had it for about a month now and it is everything I was hoping to have in a good performing, comfortable, reliable car. I especially like the interior cabin space and the display screen, Nice big, clear backup camera, and the some of the options for driver assist are great including the variable cruise control, the blind spot warning alert, and the lane departure warning alert.
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$46,675
Est. $859/mo Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram of Amsterdam
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-22
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.0L V6 24V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- U0672
- VIN
- WP1AA2AY3PDA00786
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram of AmsterdamReviews
2023 Porsche Cayenne review
One of the top 3 best SUVs in the market by far, only rivaled by RR and Bentley. The quality is flawless; it drives like a car but with the comfort of a luxury SUV. Best of both worlds. I have a 911 and I am shocked how fantastic is the driving experience of the Cayenne
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Interstellar Gray
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Variable
- Engine
- 4 Cyl - 2.0 L
- Stock #
- 2261361R
- VIN
- 3KPFT4DE5TE282890
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Destination KIAReviews
Destination KIA review
This is the third lease I’ve done with Jon Hover. He made the process easy and quick, very informative and knowledgeable, found the car and deal that worked for me.
2026 Kia K4 review
The dealership experience was wonderful at Manahawkin Kia My 2026 K-4 is a Hatchback GT . It is a very solid vehicle with many safety features that I love . The interior is beautifully done & is very comfortable .The ride is really smooth & I love the hatchback for loading & unloading . The sound system is incredible ,like surround sound.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Super Black
- Int. color
- Charcoal
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I-4 direct injection, DOHC, CVTCS variable valve control, r
- Stock #
- 3260709
- VIN
- 1N4BL4BV4PN426230
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Destination NissanReviews
Destination Nissan review
Ian was great and helpful with my lease choice...Altima!! Billy was Terrific and very Helpful!! Love Destination Nissan!! The ONLY Destination to buy or lease your vehicle from!!
2023 Nissan Altima review
Aesthetically pleasing. Awesome fuel economy!!! Handles well. I used to drive a 2018 Altima SV until a deer decided that i needed to purchase a new vehicle, otherwise, I'd still be driving that one which was totaled at 227k+ miles...190k+ miles by me (personally) in 4 and a half yrs. The front seats feel slightly smaller though....maybe it's just me.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White Frost
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- 10P1539
- VIN
- LRBFZPR43PD224489
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
DePaula ChevroletReviews
DePaula Chevrolet review
As always the service was outstanding . From the service rep Rick to the tech that worked on my truck . I bought my truck in for running boards and black out kit . Everything turned out great .
2023 Buick Envision review
Just had my first major car repair at 44k miles. Some steering sensor that could cause me to lose power steering. Had I not had the extended warranty I would be responsible for the $5k repair bill. We are barely out of the manufacturers warranty! Other than that, I love this car but already expecting to get rid of in the next year due to the unknown.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Dark Moss
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 6 Cyl - 3.8 L
- Stock #
- 2261264
- VIN
- 5XYP6DGC1RG451756
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Destination KIAReviews
Destination KIA review
Staff was very attentive to my needs and answered all my questions. Excellent job. Excellent
2024 Kia Telluride review
Have driven just over 20,000 miles so far. No issues. Drive between Clearwater and Gainesville regularly plus a couple other family trips and daily around town. Averages about 27 mpg at 75, quiet and pleasant ride. Trips were nice with good visibility front and back and plenty of room for stuff. Highly recommend.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- C48668
- VIN
- 1G6DG5RK6S0119000
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Imperial ChevroletReviews
Imperial Chevrolet review
Great sales and finance teams made my car purchase fast and easy. I have bought several cars from this dealer and highly recommend them to my friends, family and co-workers.
2025 Cadillac CT4 review
Really enjoy the CT4 purchased for the wife. Was looking for an entry level luxury car after driving mid size trucks for the past 20 years. Not to many bells and whistles to figure out the technology components are just basic and all I need for functionality. Could not be happier!
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$44,967
Est. $828/mo Imperial Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Stealth Grey
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- D16710A
- VIN
- 7SAYGDEF8SA363976
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Imperial Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAMReviews
Imperial Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM review
I a was surprised. Sales was very courteous and was very helpful. Pricing was amazing and I ended up walking away with the vehicle I wanted for the price I wanted. I would recommend Omar from the Ram division
2025 Tesla Model Y review
I got a significant discount by purchasing a Tesla from inventory plus the 7500 tax credit It has more than met my expectations. Fun car to drive even without self driving