Used cargo vans for sale near River Vale, NJ
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$17,059
Est. $310/mo Stream Auto Outlet Valley Stream
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White Metallic
- Int. color
- Pewter
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic with Select-Shift
- Engine
- Duratec 2.5L I-4 DOHC, iVCT variable valve control, regular unle
- Stock #
- 7404
- VIN
- NM0LS7E74H1335755
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Stream Auto Outlet Valley StreamReviews
2017 Ford Transit Connect review
I hadn't had a Ford in years but I'm happy with my Transit Connect Wagon. Previously owned a Honda Element but the Connect has done its job.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Frozen White
- Int. color
- Grey
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, iVCT variable valve cont
- Stock #
- 11504
- VIN
- NM0LS7T28N1525951
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
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Vans Vans VansReviews
2022 Ford Transit Connect review
Nothing but good things to say about the Ford Transit Connect Van. Easy to drive, great on gas mileage and extremely reliable. this has lots of room for our family of 6 plus tons of room for storage.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Dark Palazzo Gray
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, re
- Stock #
- B7476
- VIN
- 1FBAX2C85SKA73941
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
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Wayne FordReviews
Wayne Ford review
The transition from one lease to another was absolutely incredible. Sean and Jordy made the process go smoothly. I would highly recommend Wayne Ford and their team to anyone looking to lease purchase a vehicle.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Grey
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 11-17
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Vortec 4.8L V-8 variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
- Stock #
- 11553
- VIN
- 1GTW7AFF0H1235558
Features
- Safety
- Stability Control
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Vans Vans VansReviews
2017 GMC Savana 2500 review
Friendly staff, great price for the car. There was a far bit of waiting around but with the volume of cars they are shifting on a daily basis, it was kind of expected. From the very short test drive to driving out with my car was around 45 minutes.Would definitely use then again.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Oxford White
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, re
- Stock #
- TU2905
- VIN
- 1FBAX2Y84MKA12382
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Turn Auto MallReviews
Turn Auto Mall review
My name is Keisha and I came in today on Halloween was 50/50 to purchase a vehicle I was looking at. Well I ended up purchasing the vehicle. I had a great experice thanks to Authur and Bryant. They were very help with me being unsure as to what I wanted to do. Go check them out. You will get a great price and a great experience!!! 🙌🏽
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed 948TE Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- LM513656
- VIN
- 3C6LRVVG7SE513656
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Luxury Motor CarsReviews
Luxury Motor Cars review
Georgiy provided professional support in choosing a car, providing all the necessary details and information that helped me make my decision. Thank you for the good service.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Ebony
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- 526431
- VIN
- NM0LS7S27N1526431
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
Dealer
Only Vans Inc.Reviews
2022 Ford Transit Connect review
i love this car i can wait for ford to make the new transit connect if you take car of it and do all your recomeded service this car will go 200,000 + miles but if you dont take car of it you know what is going to happen
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- 112711
- VIN
- 3C6URVJG6LE112711
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Only Vans Inc. -
Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- A11345
- VIN
- 1FTBR3XG3MKA11345
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
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Only Vans Inc. -
Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Oxford White
- Int. color
- Grey
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.7L V-6 DOHC, Ti-VCT variable valve control, regular unleaded,
- Stock #
- 11374
- VIN
- 1FTYR2XM6KKA63155
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Exterior
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Vans Vans VansReviews
2019 Ford Transit-250 review
This cargo van met all my needs, plenty room in the cargo area, reliable driving, nice rear view in the driver and passenger mirrors and very big windshield.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- E85 Flex Fuel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 DOHC 24V
- Stock #
- 17345
- VIN
- 1FTYR2CG7HKB30712
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Hill Top A-1 Auto SalesReviews
Hill Top A-1 Auto Sales review
I had a great experience working with Hill Top A1 Auto Sales. They fit me into a van that worked best for my company that was completely serviced. Also had van for 6 months and am planning to add another. I would recommend them to anyone.
2017 Ford Transit-250 review
This commercial van is perfect for for my business. It is very spacious and drives really great. It’s a very reliable van and fits all my needed supply’s.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Grey
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 4.3L V-6 gasoline direct injection, variable valve control, regu
- Stock #
- 11465
- VIN
- 1GCWGBFP1K1157006
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- WiFi Hotspot
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Stability Control
Dealer
Vans Vans VansReviews
2019 Chevrolet Express 2500 review
it has 3 charge ares and a lot of seats for my family i have a wife and 12 children so we fit in the van perfect
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$56,460
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$31,274
Est. $569/mo Rockland Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram
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- Ext. color
- Black Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- E551655
- VIN
- 3C6LRVVG9PE551655
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Rockland Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
Rockland Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram review
Cyrus is a god: the entire RCDJR team pulled off a miracle. Been getting my vehicles with RCDJR for two decades- they always make the process pleasant!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- 115569
- VIN
- 3C6LRVCG6NE115569
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Only Vans Inc. -
Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright Silver Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- J5231
- VIN
- 3C6TRVDG1KE563793
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Sawmill Auto SalesReviews
Sawmill Auto Sales review
I have buying cars at Saw Mill Auto since 2001,(that s right 2001 ) They are the best, otherwise I would not still be a customer.To those who gave them a poor review, one visit doesn't determine how they are.
2019 RAM ProMaster 2500 review
Excellent work van I have all my shelving in it plus a gang box and I can still fit my Harley in the back. And I still have room for my dog
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Patriot Blue Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- G-518106
- VIN
- 3C6TRVDG6KE518106
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Cargo Auto GroupReviews
Cargo Auto Group review
Made an offer and they will notify me if price comes down,so all is good!!
2019 RAM ProMaster 2500 review
If you want a cheap yet capable vehicle that can haul and tow anything than this is a good vehicle for you. The van is relatively comfortable but not luxurious. The rear beam suspension makes bumps turn into jitters. The engine is strong enough if the van is empty, but as you start to pile things in, the passing acceleration is decreased. The cabin does have minor wind noise but not too much tire noise. The seats pletny supportive enough for a van but I wouldn't recommend driving for very long distances while sitting in them as they aren't amazing. Mine is almost fully loaded and had an MSRP of $44,949. The transmission is a six speed auto which has enough gears most of the time, but sometimes when you put your foot down, the kickdown is slow.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- 526463
- VIN
- 3C6LRVDG0ME526463
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Cargo Auto GroupReviews
Cargo Auto Group review
Rafael was very helpful in the process of grabbing the vehicle we wanted. Even across from another state everyone was very helpful. Would recommend to other buyers!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9 speed automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- 56836W
- VIN
- 3C6LRVDG7PE506439
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Import MastersReviews
Import Masters review
Was able to get my luxury used car with no hassles all questions answered. Would buy future cars there and refer friends/family. Melissa was a great help.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9 speed automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- 56837W
- VIN
- 3C6LRVDG6PE564784
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Import MastersReviews
Import Masters review
I had a great experience with my time at Masters. I was assisted by David and I must say he was a excellent salesman. He was very patient and understanding of my needs while shopping for a new vehicle. He’s prompt with his responses and is always available to answer any questions. Highly recommend him to anybody inquiring to buy a new car. Great thorough guy all the way around.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9 speed automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- 57394W
- VIN
- 3C6LRVDG9PE584124
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Import MastersReviews
Import Masters review
From the moment I contacted European Masters, Alejandro treated me with top service. He answered all of my questions, got me the best deal and finance options, and made the process smooth. He will be my go to guy for all cars in the future.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Pewter
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.7L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- B09361
- VIN
- 1FTYE2CM8KKB09361
Features
- Entertainment
- Satellite Radio
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Only Vans Inc.Reviews
2019 Ford Transit-150 review
This vehicle drives very nice. I am normally a Chevy buyer but this Ford is very nice. I was never in the Ford dealership but they really treated me well
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Oxford White
- Int. color
- Dark Palazzo
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, re
- Stock #
- B79834
- VIN
- 1FTBR1C80LKB79834
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Carz4UsReviews
Carz4Us review
I recently bought my first car from Carz4us, and the experience was fantastic. The staff was incredibly helpful, guiding me through the entire process with patience and professionalism. The selection was great, and I found the perfect car within my budget. Highly recommend Carz4us for anyone looking for a hassle-free car buying experience!
2020 Ford Transit-250 review
Great cargo van - just what we were looking for to convert into a camping base camp for hiking and fishing excursions in our retirement.
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$46,995
Est. $854/mo Cargo Auto Group
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Arctic White
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 diesel direct injection, DOHC, intercooled turbo, diesel,
- Stock #
- A-230025
- VIN
- W1Y4NDHY0ST230025
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
Dealer
Cargo Auto GroupReviews
Cargo Auto Group review
Had a wonderful experience with these people. I was referred here by a friend who previously purchased a vehicle here. I recommend these guys.
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$30,600
Est. $556/mo Rockland Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- E507852
- VIN
- 3C6LRVDG8SE507852
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Rockland Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
Rockland Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram review
This was my second purchase from Rockland CDJR,l. Once again easy, no games, no hassle, and professional. I'll never waste time at the Dodge dealer closest to me ever again. Mike was awesome!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Pewter
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.7L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- A81829
- VIN
- 1FTYE1CM7HKA81829
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Only Vans Inc.Reviews
2017 Ford Transit-150 review
This is a surprisingly great vehicle to drive. The plastic trim parts are poorly executed and rattle, but it can't be beat for drivability. It's also much cheaper to service than my prior Mercedes Sprinter
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$92,995
Est. $1,691/mo GM Motors Inc.
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- 7-speed automatic
- Engine
- 3.0
- Stock #
- 1035
- VIN
- W1X8EC3Y5NT120745
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
GM Motors Inc.Reviews
GM Motors Inc. review
The dealership was great and David was knowledgeable and answered all my questions. I highly recommend shopping here.
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$39,495
Est. $718/mo GM Motors Inc.
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Silver
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- 7-speed automatic
- Engine
- 3.0
- Stock #
- 978
- VIN
- W1X4EBHY6MP430024
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
GM Motors Inc.Reviews
GM Motors Inc. review
Love the van I got here from these guys. 2017 Mercedes Sprinter crew van. They really helped me out with everything from start to finish!!! Highly recommend these guys.