Used Porsche hatchbacks for sale in Oak Park, CA
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.9L V6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- PL103580
- VIN
- WP0AJ2A77PL103580
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Valencia BMWReviews
Valencia BMW review
Our Sales Advisor found us the car we that we want; 2026 X3 30 with MSport, Premium (which is a must) and Harman Kardon Sound in Vegas Red (Beautiful color). The Buying process was excellent. Staff was excellent and our Sales Person, Mazen went above and beyond.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Frozen Blue
- Int. color
- Black/Kalahari Grey
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-SPEED PORSCHE DOPPELKUPPLUNG TRANSMISSION
- Engine
- 2.9L V-6 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, twin tu
- Stock #
- PLSC260055
- VIN
- WP0AA2YAXTL000942
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Porsche Santa ClaritaReviews
Porsche Santa Clarita review
My electric Taycan was completely discharged as I got home at midnight and even the 12volt battery was dead because the car had no power i was partially on my driveway but my charging cable did not reach. Had ro leave it like that overnight. I contacted Santa Clarita service dept in the morning and told.them of my situation. The technician. I spoke with was completely helpful and rght away told me that the foreman could come out and assess the situation. Brian called me in 20 minutes that he was on his way. He jumped started the car so he could access the trunk and power the 12v battery and open the charge port. He ran a diagnosis and then pulled out an extension cable so I could charge. I am so gratefully and thankful for the excellent customer service skills of the service department. What a life saver.
2026 Porsche Panamera review
eHybrid is amazing. Well designed, great performance. Ya gotta love the 60 electric miles on a charge. Tight steering BOOST power is very useful for passing or quick acceleration.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
- Engine
- 2.9L V-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, VarioCam Plus variable
- Stock #
- L9749
- VIN
- WP0AB2A70ML139412
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
LA City CarsReviews
LA City Cars review
Thanks for all your dedication you guys definitely know how to treat a customer fairly. I don't have the best credit but thanks to you guys I can drive a decent Nissan Sentra and build my credit! Incredible people and fair prices! you guys rock🤙🏾
2021 Porsche Panamera review
I purchased the Panamera 4 with the sport pkge. The car is responsive, has great acceleration, awesome handling and is fun to drive. If you’re looking for a four door sports car, give it a test drive.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 29120028
- VIN
- WP0AJ2A79NL100287
Features
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
CarMax Buena ParkReviews
CarMax Buena Park review
I?ve been receiving emails regarding the cars, (MBZ S550 n Audi A8), that I?m currently interested in They have been updating me regarding the vehicle.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Red
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 28634411
- VIN
- WP0AB2A71LL140387
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
CarMax PleasantonReviews
CarMax Pleasanton review
The facilities were clean. The car buying and trade in process was easy. Customer service was great and I was given thorough explanations for everything.
2020 Porsche Panamera review
Awesome luxury sports car! Performance and elegance in one package. Handling and power are excellent, interior is high quality. Ride is very smooth and quite.
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$86,079
Est. $1,574/mo Porsche Downtown LA
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Grey
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed A/T
- Engine
- 2.9L V-6 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, twin tu
- Stock #
- ZP8630M
- VIN
- WP0AJ2A76PL100749
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Porsche Downtown LAReviews
Porsche Downtown LA review
Extremely repsonsive although I purchased from another dealership. If I were 2 buy again I’d definitely consider buying from them
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$169,010
Est. $3,090/mo Rusnak/Pasadena Porsche
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Carrara White Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 4.0L V8 32V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- 13T04892
- VIN
- WP0AG2YA6TL070517
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Rusnak/Pasadena PorscheReviews
Rusnak/Pasadena Porsche review
My service representative was Jason. He was thorough, pleasant and a pleasure to deal with. I had a tricky problem and Jason took care of it very quickly and effectively. Needless to say, I was extremely impressed!!!
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ice Grey Metallic
- Int. color
- Black/Kalahari Grey
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-25
- Fuel type
- Premium gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.9L V-6 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, twin tu
- Stock #
- LP01654
- VIN
- WP0AA2YA9TL002276
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Porsche Long BeachReviews
Porsche Long Beach review
The Staff at Porsche Long Beach replied promptly and answered all the questions that I needed answered. Maybe I'll have a chance to do business there another time.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ice Grey Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-25
- Fuel type
- Premium gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.9L V-6 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, twin tu
- Stock #
- PP12156
- VIN
- WP0AA2YA6SL012553
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Porsche South BayReviews
Porsche South Bay review
Great customer service by Carlos in the service department! He was knowledgeable, thorough, responsive and attentive and took the time to address all of my concerns and explain everything to me, to best maintain my car. Would recommend Carlos and Porsche South Bay without hesitation!
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$92,022
Est. $1,683/mo Rusnak/Pasadena Porsche
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Volcano Grey Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.9L V6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
- Stock #
- 13P05019
- VIN
- WP0AA2YA2RL001169
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Rusnak/Pasadena PorscheReviews
Rusnak/Pasadena Porsche review
My experience with Rusnak was fantastic from start to finish. My sales person Cham was amazing. He was extremely professional, patient, attentive, and honest. If we are in the market for another Porsche I will drive from San Diego just to deal with Cham he is that great. Thanks Cham and Frank Rusnak for a great Porsche experience.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Grey
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed A/T
- Engine
- 2.9L V-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- ZP8527M
- VIN
- WP0AJ2A73PL101051
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Porsche Downtown LAReviews
Porsche Downtown LA review
Making update to my review below. Porsche Downtown LA contacted me directly and agreed to pay for all repairs and make the situation right. They were very apologetic about the entire situation and are willing to go above and beyond to make things better than right. I appreciate their response.
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$83,179
Est. $1,521/mo Porsche Downtown LA
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed A/T
- Engine
- 2.9L V-6 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, twin tu
- Stock #
- ZP8669M
- VIN
- WP0AJ2A77PL101389
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Porsche Downtown LAReviews
Porsche Downtown LA review
Leased a 2018 White on Red Panamera from Porsche of DTLA on 12/15/17 the sales person Roger and the manager Johnathan made everything easy for me from A to Z. Hands down the best Porsche Dealership I've ever been to.
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$125,430
New 2026 Porsche Panamera 4 
$128,190
New 2026 Porsche Panamera Base 
$148,220
New 2026 Porsche Panamera 4 
$152,250
New 2026 Porsche Panamera 4 
$136,590
New 2026 Porsche Panamera 
$148,520
New 2026 Porsche Panamera 4 
$130,240
New 2026 Porsche Panamera 
$140,000
New 2026 Porsche Panamera 4 
$142,505
New 2026 Porsche Panamera 
$141,100
New 2026 Porsche Panamera 4 
$149,290
New 2026 Porsche Panamera 4 -
$81,179
Est. $1,484/mo Porsche Downtown LA
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black/Saddle Brown
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed A/T
- Engine
- 2.9L V-6 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, twin tu
- Stock #
- ZP8666M
- VIN
- WP0AJ2A79PL102351
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Porsche Downtown LAReviews
Porsche Downtown LA review
In 2016, I bought my 2017 Porsche Macan fully-loaded at Downtown L.A. Porsche. The sales experience – from test driving four different Porsche SUV and sports-car models, to the calm negotiations – was the most professional in 31 years of car-purchases. Yet, my 2019 customer service and car repair EXCEEDED this positive sales experience. The one throughline in these experiences is DTLA GM Victor Ghassemi. In short, my tires were defective and there was a battery issue. After I talked with a closer dealer who tried to upsell me roughly $3000 in repairs, I reached back to Downtown L.A. Porsche. Within 48 hours, Victor’s professional driver picked-up (and later delivered) my Macan for free. Victor took care of every issue with astonishing generosity. DTLA Porsche service representative Irwin delivered Victor’s directives with organization and timeliness. The whole experience once again made other car brands and service pale in comparison. Thank you, Victor and DTLA Porsche. Like the car, you put the driver and customer first.
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Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- Black/Limestone Beige
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed A/T
- Engine
- 2.9L V-6 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, twin tu
- Stock #
- P26005563-1
- VIN
- WP0AA2YA8SL007659
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Porsche Downtown LAReviews
Porsche Downtown LA review
After a terrible experience at Rusnak! I had the car there(Rusnak Service Dept." for 5 days with an appointment before they did a "Check Engine Light" Like.. come-on! Really!? I decided to take my Porsche out of there and called Porsche Downtown in L.A. and made an appointment for tomorrow morning with Andy Acevedo Service Advisor. Great guy! I dropped my car the next day and they gave me a beautiful loaner. Which Rusnak never offered me the last four times I had brought my 991. I received a call from Andy around 2 p.m. and told me they replaced a defective engine thermostat and the vehicle was ready for pickup! Like Wow! THANK ANDY AND L.A. PORSCHE FOR THE GREAT SERVICE!
2025 Porsche Panamera review
Underrated sleeper sports sedan. Initial instrument gremlins but resolved with downloads/notifications. The drive, handling, performance, access w active ride, emiles 50+, 23-25 mpg, about 525+ miles(75-85 mph) in hybrid, etc. Do not care for the black facing, where gear shift was as can scratch
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$58,013
Est. $1,061/mo McKenna Preowned Center
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Chalk
- Int. color
- Black/Chalk
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.9L V-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, VarioCam Plus variable
- Stock #
- 205282P
- VIN
- WP0BE2A77JL161348
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- DVD Player
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
McKenna Preowned CenterReviews
2018 Porsche Panamera review
I have a Panamera 4 and it is the best car I have ever owned. After 5 years it has never let me down- not even once- and besides the recall notices that were always handled during regularly scheduled visits nothing has needed attention. The fit and finish and styling are still totally on point after all this time. The car looks and drives exactly like it did when new despite 30,000 miles. Also, I have 21’ wheels and thought I would have to replace the tires by now. However, they are chunky and full of tread. I drove 1000 miles in one day last week averaging 77mph and 29.5mpg. Great performance and a long drive in one day. It was so nice on the road and my body despite the longest drive of my life! Fit and finish, quality of the components, and tech that is totally up to date after 5 years. Wow. Loved it! I also own a cayenne and a 2015 Mercedes S class. The Mercedes is not close to the quality unfortunately.
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$60,913
Est. $1,114/mo McKenna Preowned Center
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.9L V-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- 205276P
- VIN
- WP0AE2A79NL125212
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
McKenna Preowned Center -
$72,998
Est. $1,335/mo New PBB Auto Inc
Check Availability Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Beige
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic, 8-Spd PDK Dual-Clutch
- Engine
- 2.9L V-6 direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, twin tu
- Stock #
- 2557
- VIN
- WP0AJ2A76PL102016
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
New PBB Auto IncReviews
New PBB Auto Inc review
I bought a cla here, and they helped me do a lot in terms of loans. Thank them very much. I like this car very much. The condition of the car is very good. They also helped me with a comprehensive inspection and maintenance for free. I will come here again after changing the car!
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