Used cars for sale near Thousand Oaks, CA
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$23,483
Est. $429/mo AutoNation Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram Valencia
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- Ext. color
- Diamond Black Crystal Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
- Stock #
- LC429609
- VIN
- 1C4RJEBG6LC429609
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
AutoNation Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram ValenciaReviews
AutoNation Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram Valencia review
This is best experience I have had with a Dealership, 1st the price that I seen was the price I paid, No high pressure from the Salesman & the Manager, the Salesman Adrian made this a great experience, I highly recommend him to anyone looking for a vehicle, he is easy to work with ??
2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee review
I've been driving for 43 years now and have owned an array of different vehicles, however I've never been financially fortunate to purchase a luxury model - until now! I was looking for a mid size vehicle that would check many boxes for my snowy Michigan commutes, along with distant travel comfort to and from my cabin and some towing capacity. I have only had this for roughly 1500 miles and wow.. My first impression was luxury. So many base options included in a mid sized and mid priced SUV that pleasantly surprised me. Secondly was the ride quality. Both smooth and quiet and handling. I've read other reviews discussing power inadequacy, but not at all. Plenty of passing and get tup to speed power. Next was the snow. I have Michelin defender tires and wow - what have I been missing? The snow 4x4 duaratac features combined with these tires make this a beast in the snow, slush and rain. It definitely gives me a much more safety reassurance while driving in these conditions. I have not tried the towing yet and have not had any "reliable" issues to report, but we are very fortunate with our pick and one very capable snow commuter.
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$52,990
Est. $969/mo AutoNation Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram Valencia
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- Ext. color
- Diamond Black Crystal Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 16-23
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Hurricane 3L I-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve
- Stock #
- TR215933
- VIN
- 2C3CDAMPXTR215933
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
AutoNation Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram ValenciaReviews
AutoNation Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram Valencia review
Very smooth buying process. True price no hidden fees. Everything clear before going to the dealership. Very responsive from email. No need to have call or come to the office before you finalize the price.
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- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 30-40
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 28537297
- VIN
- 5NPLS4AG9PH109239
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
Dealer
CarMax West SaharaReviews
CarMax West Sahara review
Best car buying experience my wife and I have ever had. They still use the age old "up" system in greeting walk in prospects, which is fair to the sales people, but we didn't feel like we were just a number. No price negotiations here as the posted price is what it is and the sales people don't work on commission. We had searched their inventory via internet and indicated the vehicle which we were interested in looking at. It was parked at the front entrance waiting for us when we arrived at our appointment time. We ended up buying it. Will buy our next car here too.
2023 Hyundai ELANTRA review
After getting 284K from our 2003 Elantra GLS and Currently 108K trouble free miles from our 2019 Elantra SEL so far, I just bought a Certified (Passed 173 Point Inspection) 2023 Elantra Limited (Scarlet Red) with 19K miles. It is the most beautiful and Safety Rich (Accident Avoidance) "High Tech" Computer on Wheels Car I ever bought (I'm 65 Years Young!). The Tesla Phase 2 "Highway Driving Assistance" is "Best in Class". Also, The 46-48 MPG average per TANK full (Non Hybrid) is simply amazing! I like the 8 Speed Manual Performance Mode when I want a more spirited FUN to drive ride! Infotainment system and Bose sound system is also very good. The only nice feature NOT including until 2024 Elantra is 360 degree camera monitoring. I might purchase & install an aftermarket 360 camera setup from a Stereo shop in a couple years if I really need it?
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- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- GRAY
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-34
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 28362915
- VIN
- JF2GTHRC7PH217169
Features
- Convenience
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Lane Departure Warning
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax PleasantonReviews
CarMax Pleasanton review
The facilities were clean. The car buying and trade in process was easy. Customer service was great and I was given thorough explanations for everything.
2023 Subaru Crosstrek review
Great dependable car. comfortable driving, the 6 speed trans is awesome(same as in the wrx) so stop talking stupid. People who don't like this doesn't know how to drive a manual. handled great in snow, and remember you are controlling this car not the computer
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- Ext. color
- Black Sapphire Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- GP9R90111
- VIN
- 5UX43DP00P9R90111
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Beverly Hills BMWReviews
Beverly Hills BMW review
Excellent service. Everyone was very responsive and helpful. The car took a while arriving at the dealership, so the staff had to move quickly to handlle the sale.
2023 BMW X3 review
Love it. Car is comfy, quick and the wonderful B58 Twin-Scroll Turbo I6 makes all the right noises! Awesome daily driver. Period! Interior has all of the amenities you could ever ask for. Ride is luxury-oriented but also can grip & RIP through the corners, almost as well as any sports sedan out there pretty much.
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- Ext. color
- Alpine White
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, inte
- Stock #
- 228961
- VIN
- 5UX53GP03T9168094
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Pacific BMWReviews
Pacific BMW review
I could not be happier with my experience at Pacific BMW. Serj and Alex, in particular were great. I can't wait to pay this one off so I can upgrade. Beautiful car and great service. I won't go anywhere else
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- Ext. color
- Caviar
- Int. color
- Black w/Black Open Pore
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.4L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, Dual VVT-i variable valve
- Stock #
- U31358T
- VIN
- 2T2BAMBA2PC009636
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
South Bay LexusReviews
South Bay Lexus review
Came in to the branch thinking it's going to be a overwhelming experience but as soon i started talking to Naoki I felt like I was talking to a long time friend, had the vehicle ready, we test drove it, we had a friendly conversation nothing about numbers just enjoying the test drive, afterwards we met with Jay(finance) and he was clear on every aspect of the contract, no pressure at all, I'm so comfortable with them that I recommending all my family to purchase a vehicle with them....thank you so much, you guys make me really happy😃
2023 Lexus RX 350 review
Mike Marine was amazing awesome experience to say the least. Definitely plan on referring back business. He’s very knowledgeable at knows what to say to customers
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- Ext. color
- Ice Cap
- Int. color
- Boulder
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 48-47
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- eCVT
- Engine
- Dynamic Force 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, VVT-iE/VVT-i
- Stock #
- 1PJ7373
- VIN
- 4T1DAACK3TU719947
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Longo ToyotaReviews
Longo Toyota review
Higher quality customer service they personally have great performance guidance very clear fast and very reliable educated taking care my wife and I Very special
2026 Toyota Camry review
we have owned this car for about 18 months. We get about 49.7 mpg i saw other reviews that gave a value rating of 4 out of 5. Name me one car that gets this good gas milage, and the most reliable hybrid system available and holds its value 5, 10, 15 and 20 years better than a Camry!!
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- Ext. color
- Iridium
- Int. color
- Black w/Black Cascade Trim
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.4L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, in
- Stock #
- RC046669
- VIN
- 2T2BAMCA2RC046669
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Lexus of CerritosReviews
Lexus of Cerritos review
I always come to Lexus to get my maintenence done and its always a good experience. The wait area is nice and clean and advisor, Tony, is quite friendly.
2024 Lexus RX 350 review
Just picked up 2024 RX350 Premium+. Overall a nice car. I’m not a big fan of the 4 cyl. Powertrain however. Rather noisy and fuel economy is about the same as the 6 cyl. In my old 2019 RX with premium fuel required. Not a great trade off. New technology is pretty good and touch screen is much. Etter than the old RX touch pad. I think this is a better value than BMW X5 or Genesis GV80 with much better resale value.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Uyuni White
- Int. color
- Obsidian Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I4 16V PDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- SU154938P
- VIN
- KMTG34SC4SU154938
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
GENESIS OF SOUTH BAYReviews
GENESIS OF SOUTH BAY review
Buy and service all my vehicles with South Bay Genesis and South Bay Hyundai. Cedric and his sales and service teams are top notch, highly recommend.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Ice Cap
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, VVT-iE/VVT-i variable valv
- Stock #
- RU908801
- VIN
- 4T1G11AKXRU908801
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Wondries ToyotaReviews
2024 Toyota Camry review
I have been a Toyota owner for 20+ years and have been pleased with the "past" quality, reliability and performance. I purchased a 2024 Camry SE about 2 months ago and I have noticed the quality has definitely declined in the newer years lots of cheap plastic and carpet is really cheap. The under carriage plastic splash guards are a total joke! I had to remove the cheap plastic guards because they were loaded with about 10 lbs. of road gravel and dirt "not" an easy job to do to remove all the plastic clips. other than that no complaints on the performance so far. The Camry gets pretty good gas mileage for a 2.5 litre 4 cylinder sedan.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Cloudburst Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I4 16V PDI DOHC
- Stock #
- NC002242P
- VIN
- 2T2ADCAZXNC002242
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
GENESIS OF SOUTH BAYReviews
GENESIS OF SOUTH BAY review
I recently completed my due diligence in selecting a new car and selected the new '26 GV70. I visited several dealers and selected So. Bay Genesis. My first visit was OK, but the salesman never followed through. I went back several days later and met David Martinez. I explained that I had visited the dealer before and didn't want to cause any problems, but I sensed that David would be my guy. He answered all my questions and those that he didn't, he said he'd get back to me. As soon as I was home, he called and provided the answers to my questions. He was attentive, and his follow-up was spot on. The process was simple, easy and I received a more than fair price. I would highly recommend David if you’re looking for a sales individual that follows through, answers your questions and is delightful to work with, no pressure! My old car was a Macan S that was great, but the new GV70 (same size) comes with everything, except a trailer hitch, lol. It's an amazing car that is quieter than anything I've ever owned and quick. Go see David, he'll take care of you.
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$40,000
Est. $731/mo Penske Chevrolet of Cerritos
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- P17592C
- VIN
- 3GNKDARMXTS101270
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Penske Chevrolet of CerritosReviews
Penske Chevrolet of Cerritos review
It was a pleasure doing business with you. An oil change only took an hour and a half. Paying was only five minutes. Everyone was extremely friendly and efficient.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Skyscraper Grey Metallic
- Int. color
- Cognac
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3L I-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, Double VANOS variable va
- Stock #
- 99T9138019
- VIN
- 5UX13EU05T9138019
Features
- Convenience
- Automatic Parking
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Beverly Hills BMWReviews
Beverly Hills BMW review
I had a really great experience with Lucas. He was super patient and easy to work with from the start. Even though the car I went in to see was sold right before I got there, he didn’t rush me or try to push anything else. Instead, he took his time showing me around and helped me look at a few other options. You can tell he genuinely cares about finding the right fit for his customers. I really appreciated how professional and down to earth he was throughout the process. Definitely someone I’d recommend asking for if you’re in the market for a car. L.Montoya
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Supersonic Red
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 53-50
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Dynamic Force 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, VVT-iE/VVT-i
- Stock #
- P65146
- VIN
- 4T1DAACK2SU067997
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Penske Toyota of DowneyReviews
Penske Toyota of Downey review
I always have a pleasant experience at Toyota. Nancy Velasco was very helpful, attentive, and provided great customer service.
2025 Toyota Camry review
I got the LE but everything still feels high quality and stylish, little expensive like everything these days but still very happy with my car.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Nightfall Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Jet Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- P17609
- VIN
- 3GNKBCR44LS650089
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Penske Chevrolet of CerritosReviews
Penske Chevrolet of Cerritos review
Felipe Ovalle was very helpful in selecting and very helpful in setting up my car. He?s a good salesman . Location has a great choice of cars and trucks
2020 Chevrolet Blazer review
This SUV is solid in almost every way, but if I had to have any complaints I would say: *The design isn't really original, or even "Blazerish". Do I really care? No, but it's just kind of the reality that it doesn't look a lot different than the Equinox, Traverse, and many other vehicles by other manufacturers. Anyway just saying that they could have tried a little harder to have a signature defining figure to separate from everyone else. *The other complaint is that it doesn't have a CD player. Like who decided to save $100, and not put one in? Some Gen Z kid? Again, I see that a lot of cars are this way, but it's just being forced on us by this young crop of kids...At the very minimum take a survey to see who would elect to have one put in, or elect to have one not put in...people are just going with it
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