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Vehicle information

Ext. color: Granite Pearlcoat
Int. color: Black/Light Graystone
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 17-25
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unl
Stock #: JR328408
VIN: 2C4RDGCG9JR328408

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry, Power Liftgate
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, CD Player
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Roof Rack
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats, Third Row Seating

Reviews

Beechmont Subaru review

The salesman we worked with was Chase and he did an

The salesman we worked with was Chase and he did an outstanding job in helping us find a car

2018 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT review

Runs great, looks great, and my family fits perfec

This car meets all my needs, rides great, and I love the color! Most of all my salesman, Donnell at Fast Lane was truly a fabulous salesman!

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Bright Red
Int. color: Black
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 21-28
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: Tigershark MultiAir 2.4L I-4 DOHC, variable valve control, regul
Stock #: 288291
VIN: ZFBERFAB5H6G36670

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, USB Port
Exterior: Tow Hitch
Safety: Automatic Emergency Braking, Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control

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Mike Castrucci Ford of Milford review

I found the car I wanted.

I found the car I wanted. I went in and met with David sales person. He made the process extremely easy and no pressure. The same thing happened when I went to sign the document, including an offer to buy extended insurance. It was very quick, simple and zero pressure

2017 RAM ProMaster City Tradesman review

Perfect for traveling with a lot of dogs

This car is great for traveling around town with a lot of big dogs. Space for crates, not a high step for dogs, great fuel efficiency!

Vehicle information

Ext. color: White
Drivetrain: Rear-wheel Drive
Fuel type: E85 Flex Fuel
Transmission: 4-Speed Automatic
Engine: 4.6L V8 16V MPFI SOHC Flexible Fuel
Stock #: ADA92331
VIN: 1FTNE1EW2ADA92331

Reviews

Busam Nissan review

very friendly

We dealt with T.j. for the majority of the process of our car purchase. We came in wanting a used altima and found a great selection. Had everything from older ones to newer ones no options to full of options. Ran payments on a few cars. got me a much lower interest rate than other places. He seemed to really care about not only me but my family! I look forward to buying mulitple cars from him!

2010 Ford E150 Cargo review

Very good work or pleasure van. Very tight van.

This van is for moving people or cargo. It's strong with plenty of room. Comfortable ride. Cold ac in hot days. Can be used for a conversion project camper etc. Very good transportation.

Vehicle information

Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 18-27
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 5-Speed Automatic
Engine: 3.5L V6 24V MPFI SOHC
Stock #: 090439
VIN: 5FNRL5H66BB090439

Features

Convenience: Power Liftgate
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, CD Player, HomeLink, Satellite Radio
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Moonroof
Safety: Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats, Third Row Seating

Reviews

2011 Honda Odyssey EX-L review

One of the best minivans of its era.

The ride is smooth and is specifically made to be a family car. The only issue is it’s slow 0-60 second acceleration at about 8.3 seconds but that’s not really what the car was made for, just wish it could go a little quicker. Compared this with the Toyota Sienna is that the Sienna is slightly a bit quicker. However, the Odyssey has way better styling and in my personal opinion one of the nicest minivans you could get back in the 2010s.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Brilliant Black Crystal Pearlcoat
Int. color: Tan
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 17-25
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unl
Stock #: 647268
VIN: 2C4RC1CG8DR647268

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry, Power Liftgate, Remote Start
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, CD Player, DVD Player, Rear Seat Entertainment
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Roof Rack
Safety: Automatic Emergency Braking, Backup Camera, Blind Spot Monitor, Brake Assist, Rear Cross Traffic Alert, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats, Third Row Seating

Reviews

Midwest Automotive Connection review

Great Service

Raheem made our car purchase easy and painless. This is the second car we have purchased from MAC in 3 years. The staff is knowledgeable and friendly. I will definitely keep MAC in mind for any future auto purchases!

2013 Chrysler Town & Country Touring-L review

Great vans

I have enjoyed this car very much. It has 105000 miles and hasn't given me any problems. This is my fourth Chrysler van. The first one got 300,00 miles before I junked it. It was still running very good, but it was over 20 years old.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Cranberry Red
Int. color: Champagne
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 16-23
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: 3.8L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
Stock #: TM419
VIN: KNDMC233086049069

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry
Entertainment: CD Player
Exterior: Roof Rack
Safety: Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Third Row Seating

Reviews

Theis Motor Company review

thank you

I hit a deer with my car, the damage was not to bad. I had them check it out to be sure it was ok. the drivers side door would not open completely, Mike sr fixed it at a very fair price. this is a family owned business since 1929. do your self a favor the next time you need any work or are I need of a fine car come here. thank you Mike sr and all the fine employees,

2008 Hyundai Entourage GLS review

My mom van.

This is my first minivan but I have to say there are a good deal of pros and cons I can find. There isn?t Bluetooth or any usb/aux ports. Which is a con. The second row isn?t stow and go, the seats do release to come out. Con. There?s a DVD player, pro. Plenty of leg room in the front and back, third row is a little cramped for adults. There?s a tray table that folds up/down between the front seats, has 4 cup holders plus the two cup holders for the front seats that fold out. The engine has great pick up. Plenty of power for me, I?m used to driving a Ford Edge(2015). The only thing that would make this Van better to me would be Bluetooth, and a back up camera. It does have back up sensors but no camera. I like that this car came with rims and not hudcaps. The driver seat has multi position memory. And this one has heated front seats which is nice. I know we bought the car used and it?s an 08? but some of the electronics have decided not to work, we?re going to look into having some of it fixed if it?s not too expansive.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Billet Silver Metallic Clearcoat
Int. color: Black/Alloy
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 18-28
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleade
Stock #: 502863
VIN: 2C4RC1CG2HR502863

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry, Keyless Start, Navigation System
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, USB Port
Exterior: Alloy Wheels
Safety: Automatic Emergency Braking, Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Third Row Seating

Reviews

2017 Chrysler Pacifica LX review

Great auto

Have owned 6 pacificas and they are great. We get about 30 mpg on the highway. Can’t complain except the nav system needs some work.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Sandstone Metallic
Int. color: Cashmere
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: 4-Speed Automatic
Engine: 3.5L V6 12V MPFI OHV
Stock #: 36969B
VIN: 1GNDV33L96D140969

Features

Entertainment: CD Player, DVD Player
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Roof Rack
Safety: Stability Control
Seating: Third Row Seating

Reviews

Tom Gill Chevrolet review

Jessika and Chris were great to work with.

Jessika and Chris were great to work with. They helped my wife find and answer question about the new Equinox .Thanks again !

2006 Chevrolet Uplander LT review

This is a good reliable van. Ready for a family.

The van has good gas mileage. Its very reliable. It has good running a/c in front and back. Has a rear DVD entertainment for children.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Brilliant Black Crystal Pearlcoat
Int. color: Black/Light Graystone
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 17-25
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic, 6-Spd
Engine: 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, eng
Stock #: AA2805
VIN: 2C4RDGBG0ER162805

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry
Entertainment: CD Player
Safety: Automatic Emergency Braking, Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Third Row Seating

Reviews

ARM Autos review

I called and asked about the Mercedes.

I called and asked about the Mercedes. I came the next day paid for it. Everything was great. The owner is phenomenal. Also people who worked there our phenomenal. The owner made sure that I had new tires and a new key filled me up detailed my car I called him the next day to let him know about a small issue. He fixed it immediately. I will be coming back to buy another car

2014 Dodge Grand Caravan AVP/SE review

I had 6 of these in the last 15 years.

I had 6 of these in the last 15 years. Mostly do breaks, change tires and fluids. NEVER in any of these did I have a transmission issue. Love the stow away seats. Plenty of power in the V6 3.6L engine. I sold 5 of these, and got only thanks. Was never stranded, Countless Florida and Canada trips, Great family car.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Burgundy
Int. color: Beige
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 19-28
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: 3.5L V-6 i-VTEC variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
Stock #: 100392
VIN: 5FNRL5H68EB100392

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Keyless Entry, Keyless Start, Power Liftgate
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, CD Player, HomeLink, Satellite Radio, USB Port
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Moonroof
Safety: Automatic Emergency Braking, Backup Camera, Blind Spot Monitor, Brake Assist, Lane Departure Warning, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats, Third Row Seating

Reviews

International Auto Outlet review

Zack at International Auto Outlet in Hamilton, OH was

Zack at International Auto Outlet in Hamilton, OH was fantastic. He showed me everything done to my BMW before purchase. Honest dealership with great service. I would definitely come back again.

2014 Honda Odyssey EX-L review

Great used vehicle

We love our minivan. Just make sure you get a mechanic to check it out before you but it and negotiate the price. 2 more words

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Polished Metal Metallic
Int. color: Black
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 17-25
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic 5-Speed
Engine: 3.5L V-6 i-VTEC variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
Stock #: D260337T
VIN: 5FNRL3H74AB075322

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Keyless Entry, Navigation System, Power Liftgate
Entertainment: CD Player, DVD Player, HomeLink, Rear Seat Entertainment, Satellite Radio
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Moonroof
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats, Third Row Seating

Reviews

Automotive Connection review

Top notch salesmen and staff

These guys rock they took a sad disabled veteran and put him in a luxury ride and made him smile(me)

2010 Honda Odyssey EX-L review

Most Reliable vehicle I have ever owned

I love my Odyssey! It is so comfortable, the seat is larger than any of the new cars, it comes out to the back of my knees, and I am 5'6", i know that's a strange thing to like, but its important to me. I also like how versatile it is with the e3rd row seats folding into the floor, or makes the well deep enough for storage! Half or the whole way across! Best car I have ever owned!

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Blue Mirage Metallic
Int. color: Stone
Drivetrain: All-wheel Drive
MPG: 16-21
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: 3.5L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
Stock #: 9S026920
VIN: 5TDBK23C79S026920

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry
Entertainment: CD Player, HomeLink
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Roof Rack
Safety: Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Third Row Seating

Reviews

Midwest Auto Store review

Despite some very negative reviews, I tried this

Despite some very negative reviews, I tried this dealership because they had the vehicle I wanted. I came prepared for bad things because of the warnings in the reviews. I found that they are not the bad guys the reviews suggested. They were very upfront about the vehicle, which was exactly as represented, about their post-sale responsibility (vehicles sold as is) and did not try any bait and switch. Johnny Lee was very helpful and sincere. Only two complaints - 1. after the deal was made it was two more hours before we were able to leave the dealership (i have had this same experience almost every time i have purchased a vehicle, so nothing different here) 2. Their price is no-haggle (I think this is actually good, I hate to haggle, I just wish I had known that before I tried to haggle.) I do not hesitate to recommend them and I would go back. Those bad reviews? I don't know but I suspect those supposed buyers didn't do their homework before shopping, and need someone to blame for the mistake they made. Or else they just like bad mouthing others.

2009 Toyota Sienna LE review

I'll choose this van over any other new van or cars out

I'll choose this van over any other new van or cars out there, it is very reliable and fun very spaceship with no problem highly recommeced

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Dark Charcoal Pearlcoat
Int. color: Black/Light Graystone
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 17-25
Fuel type: E85 Flex Fuel
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: 3.6L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, engine with 283HP
Stock #: 411983
VIN: 2C4RC1BG3CR411983

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Keyless Entry, Power Liftgate
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, CD Player, DVD Player, Rear Seat Entertainment, Satellite Radio, USB Port
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Roof Rack
Safety: Automatic Emergency Braking, Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats, Third Row Seating

Reviews

International Auto Outlet review

I’m very satisfied with my Cadillac from International

I’m very satisfied with my Cadillac from International Auto Outlet in OH. The engine is smooth and reliable. Everything was handled professionally. Great service and a stress-free car buying experience overall.

2012 Chrysler Town & Country Touring review

Well worth the money

We’ve only had the van a few days, but so far it has exceeded our expectations and we are very pleased with our purchase. This is our second Chrysler mini van purchase and love the design and features these vehicles offer.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Summit White
Int. color: Gray
Drivetrain: Rear-wheel Drive
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic 4-Speed
Engine: Duramax 6.6L V-8 diesel direct injection, intercooled turbo, die
Stock #: a240307
VIN: 1GCGG25C691149531

Features

Safety: Stability Control

Reviews

Automotive Connection review

If you need a reliable car shop here.

Great experince, bought a car that is reliable. Friendly staff and dog friendly. They have a great selection on cars and are willing to work with you!

2009 Chevrolet Express 2500 Cargo review

Great for a work van. No frills

Does what it?s supposed to do. I like it a lot for my business. No frills means less to break and or wrong. V8 is powerful

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Slate Green Metallic
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 17-25
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: 3.5L V-6 i-VTEC variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
Stock #: 9B016422
VIN: 5FNRL38669B016422

Features

Convenience: Heated Seats, Keyless Entry, Power Liftgate
Entertainment: CD Player, HomeLink
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Moonroof, Roof Rack
Safety: Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats, Third Row Seating

Reviews

Midwest Auto Store review

Very easy and pressure free.

Very easy and pressure free.Dealing with Johnny was awesome. Second car I’ve bought from him.

2009 Honda Odyssey EX-L review

2009 Odyssey EX.

2009 Odyssey EX. Bought used with 193k miles. Couldn't be more reliable. Great design inside and out. Excellent structural integrity. Everything works. Built solid. Hauls xxx. I average 23 mpg overall with the 244 HP 3.5 V6.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Billet Silver Metallic Clearcoat
Int. color: Black
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 17-25
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
Stock #: 44401A
VIN: 2C4RDGCG5GR255921

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry, Power Liftgate
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, CD Player, Satellite Radio
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Roof Rack
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Third Row Seating

Reviews

Kerry Chevrolet of Alexandria review

Treated professionally and fairly.

Treated professionally and fairly. Received fair trade-in offer on my ?19 Trax to buy up to a ?25 Trax.

2016 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT review

Amazingly reliable

I bought my 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan used in 2017. I’ve got 130,000 miles on it now and I’m still overall very pleased. This is my 4th Dodge/Chrysler minivan in the last 20+ years. I am kind of tired of driving a minivan but don’t know if I could give them up! This van has so many pros and very few cons. First, price is lower than other makes of minivans. Front and middle rows very comfortable on long trips. Good visibility from front and middle rows. I love that it has 2 separate glove boxes. Tons of cup holders! Adequate cargo area behind 3rd row seats. The stow and go feature is awesome. With second and third row seats folded down and hidden underneath the floor, you’ve got a huge open space to haul stuff. Almost like having a pickup truck except no one asks you to borrow it to move! Lol. It’s easy to get in and out of even if you have mobility problems. Drives and handles well. I don’t think we’ve ever had it in the shop. Never broken down on us. I’ve had this van since 2017 and no problems EVER until this summer. The radio quit working. We replaced it, and after a few weeks, the second one quit. Going to have it looked at soon. Also, the wipers have always worked poorly. Even after replacing them a few times with premium wipers, they still seem to “drag”, and are kind of “bumpy” is the only way I can describe it. My husband has to warn me before he turns them on, because they are so loud at first that they startle me very badly. Very irritating. When there’s a heavy rain they work fairly quietly and smoothly.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Gold
Int. color: Tan
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 18-25
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: 3.5L V-6 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
Stock #: 26995
VIN: 5TDKK3DC5ES494112

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, CD Player, HomeLink, Satellite Radio, USB Port
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Roof Rack
Safety: Automatic Emergency Braking, Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Third Row Seating

Reviews

International Auto Outlet review

Buying my Toyota from International Auto Outlet in OH was

Buying my Toyota from International Auto Outlet in OH was a great decision. The staff guided me every step of the way and offered honest advice. The pricing was fair, and the car quality exceeded my expectations. Highly recommended dealer!

2014 Toyota Sienna LE review

We purchased the 2014 sienna SE right off the show room

We purchased the 2014 sienna SE right off the show room floor. It’s very reliable. It sat a lot the first few years as we each hod our own cars. This was a wedding gift to each other. If it sits to long the battery drains easily. It’s comfortable and faster than some sports cars. lol 0-60 7.2 seconds. That’s muscle car territory from the 1960’s. Outside body integrity is only fair. We have 90,000 miles on it. It runs like new. It’s hard on brakes. Maybe it’s my driving style. It’s good in my opinion for 300.000 miles. The v-6 engine is one of Toyota’s best long running engines. Gas mileage on a road trip is 24-25 under 70 mph. In town 18-20.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Dark Bronzemist Metallic
Int. color: Tan
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 19-24
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: 3.4L V-6 regular unleaded, engine with 185HP
Stock #: 201835
VIN: 1G5DX23E54D201835

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry
Entertainment: CD Player
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Roof Rack
Seating: Third Row Seating

Reviews

International Auto Outlet review

Buying a BMW from International Auto Outlet in OH was a

Buying a BMW from International Auto Outlet in OH was a great experience. The team was honest, helpful, and made everything simple. The pricing was fair, and the vehicle quality was outstanding. I would definitely recommend this dealership.

2004 Pontiac Montana M16 w/1SA Pkg. review

My Montana is Still Running Strong

Bought a 2004 Pontiac, Montana 7 years ago for a great price. Overall, this has been a very good vehicle. Yes, I had to repair minor things on it through the years, but that’s fine. It’s been reliable on the highway/never broke down on me. I use my Montana as my commuter for work and also a camping van in summer. It’s very comfortable for long road trips. I can pack a lot of things in it.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Black
Int. color: Black
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 25-25
Fuel type: E85 Flex Fuel
Transmission: Automatic 6-Speed
Engine: V6 3.6L Natural Aspiration
Stock #: KR716848STK
VIN: 2C4RDGCG3KR716848

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry, Power Liftgate, Remote Start
Entertainment: Bluetooth®, CD Player, DVD Player, Satellite Radio, USB Port
Exterior: Alloy Wheels, Roof Rack
Safety: Backup Camera, Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Leather Seats

Reviews

Unlimited Auto Group review

I bought a late model Toyota Tacoma at a whole sale price

I bought a late model Toyota Tacoma at a whole sale price seems to run and drive nice made a 100 mile trip home no problems the sales staff friendly

2019 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT review

Rust on hood

I do have a problem with the hood,because I have rust on the edges .I don't think I should have to worry about rust on the xxxx hood.

Vehicle information

Ext. color: Bright White Clearcoat
Int. color: Black/Light Graystone
Drivetrain: Front-wheel Drive
MPG: 17-25
Fuel type: Gasoline
Transmission: Automatic, 6-Spd
Engine: 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, eng
Stock #: AA3832
VIN: 2C4RDGBG4ER193832

Features

Convenience: Keyless Entry
Entertainment: CD Player
Safety: Automatic Emergency Braking, Brake Assist, Stability Control
Seating: Third Row Seating

Reviews

ARM Autos review

I inquired about the Lexus RX and stopped by the very

I inquired about the Lexus RX and stopped by the very next day without the intention to purchase it immediately. I ended up buying it on the spot because everything just felt right. The owner and the friendly sales team were amazing to me from the moment I walked in. They made sure I had new tires, a full tank of gas, and the car was detailed beautifully. I left feeling taken care of and truly happy with my Lexus

2014 Dodge Grand Caravan AVP/SE review

I've had a 2007 Caravan that I drove for 7 years then

I've had a 2007 Caravan that I drove for 7 years then sold still running well. Then bought a 2009 Grand Caravan that had a couple of minor electrical issues and sold it still running 2 years ago. Just bought another Grand Caravan (a 2014) and I'm hoping to get as much out of it as the others. Cargo space : Awesome, you can get 4x8 sheets of plywood in the back with the Stow N Go down and unlike a pick up your load stays dry. Not super but not bad on fuel. A Fairly comfy ride for around town and on trips but it's build more for family to-and-fros. I hear some folks complaining about transmissions but if you follow the recommended trans fluid and filter changes and don't try to haul anything too heavy you should be ok. I've never had an issue with any CG trans. If you're buying used and want to be sure - avoid any with hitches already on them or obviously had them on at some point. Bottom line for me - great vehicle, fits a tight budget, lasts without constant repairs, very utilitarian, useful investment. Too bad they don't make them anymore.

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