Used vehicles for sale near Stone Park, IL
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- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- X6398
- VIN
- 2C4RC1GG4SR515129
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- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
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- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
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- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
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Hawk CDJR -
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- Ext. color
- Granite Crystal Clearcoat Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- F1082A
- VIN
- 2C4RC1BG1MR556425
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- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
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Wickstrom Auto GroupReviews
Wickstrom Auto Group review
Eric Jensen was a pleasure to work with. He carefully walked me through all my options without pushing anything specific. This was the best car buying experience I've had.
2021 Chrysler Pacifica review
We got the new 2021 Pinnacle edition. Most dealers/sales persons did NOT know the second row of seats were not stow n go. Most of them also really did not know how to install/work with CarPlay. We had to figure out most of the stuff ourselves because they couldn’t. You tube really helped!
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$20,198
Est. $380/mo Hertz Rent2Buy Des Plaines, IL
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- Ext. color
- Silver Mist Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black/Alloy/Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unl
- Stock #
- 16204878
- VIN
- 2C4RC1CG6PR520314
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
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Hertz Rent2Buy Des Plaines, IL -
$42,999
Est. $808/mo Albo Auto Sales
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- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- Automatic 5-Speed
- Engine
- BlueTEC 3.0L Diesel Turbo V6 188hp 325ft. lbs.
- Stock #
- ExecVan
- VIN
- WD3PE8CC2FP150044
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Albo Auto SalesReviews
Albo Auto Sales review
I purchased a used car here at a very reasonable price. Shortly after arriving in the U.S., they were very polite to me even my English communication skill is not so good. They were so quick to maintain my car!! I've had many bad experiences at other car dealer in the US but not with Albo Auto Sales! I am grateful to have been able to purchase a car from Leo here and to have met him. Thank you so much!
2015 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter review
After 40 years of driving pick-up trucks,we decided to try one of these and we are stoked. It handles great , gets great gas milege holds alot of cargo and is comfortabe to drive. We are going to give it a year and see. The salesman was Edwin Sarhad at818-400-5603. Great guy and best price in area.Would highly recommend him
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Medium Pewter
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 13-17
- Fuel type
- E85 Flex Fuel
- Transmission
- 4-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 5.3L V8 16V MPFI OHV Flexible Fuel
- Stock #
- 201419
- VIN
- 1GCSHAF46E1201419
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Safety
- Stability Control
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Nelson AutomotiveReviews
Nelson Automotive review
Excellent customer service from start to finish. They answered all of my questions patiently and made the whole car-buying process easy and stress-free. I ended up buying a car at a great deal and had a really good experience overall. Everyone was professional, helpful, and honest. I definitely recommend this dealership to anyone looking for a vehicle!”
2014 Chevrolet Express 1500 review
It's really worth. and It never have broken the is model car. If you’re looking for a time-tested van that can handle almost any task in any weather, the 2014 Chevy Express Van is for you. Its traditional van profile makes it easier to park in smaller garages, and unlike its competitors, the Express offers a choice of gasoline-, natural gas- and diesel-powered engines.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 4.0L DOHC 24-Valve V6
- Stock #
- 2687
- VIN
- 1N6BF0LY4LN810356
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Grand Lux AutoReviews
Grand Lux Auto review
Highly recommended. Sam was very helpful throughout the whole process, made my purchase very easy and staid in touch with me at all times even after i left the dealership to make sure everything is working well.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 18-26
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.6L V6 24V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- 26186
- VIN
- 2C4JRGAGXER213047
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Asia Motors Inc.Reviews
Asia Motors Inc. review
Great experience with the staff and owners, I have purchased (5) used police explorers for my security company within 6 months. I would recommend ASIA MOTERS for your used police vehicle purchases.
2014 RAM Cargo review
I picked this over a Ford Transit and I am glad I did. Good Towing power and load capacity and an 'econ' button to save gas when running unloaded. Longer wheelbase than the transit and a tow hitch with a 3600 pound tow capacity also. Heater (especially in the foot area) is poor, takes forever to warm up. The power outlets are hard to reach, on the floor at the center console, if the cup tray is open they are impossible to see or reach. "Blacked' out windows are acrylic plastic - forget about magnetic signs. Overall, very happy with the vehicle. One note- if you want the tow package - be sure to order it from the factory - the dealer installed 'kits' are inferior and they will charge you extra for the install, and extra again to wire it.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Red Hot Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 17-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 9-Speed 948TE Automatic
- Engine
- Pentastar 3.6L V-6 DOHC, VVT variable valve control, regular unl
- Stock #
- D60083A
- VIN
- 2C4RC3GG4RR178614
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
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DuPage CDJRReviews
DuPage CDJR review
Another excellent service experience with the dealership’s service staff; in this case, Service Advisor Roland and two porters, Manny and Jose! Roland addressed me immediately at my scheduled service appointment time, the inspectional and other need commenced, and Porters Manny and Jose provided transportation to and from my home during the efficient service of my vehicle (second one purchased through the dealership). Roland and the porters were attentive, professional, and friendly. Roland kept me apprised of the service process. DuPage Chrysler Dodge and Jeep is a winner!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic 5-Speed
- Engine
- 4.0L V6
- Stock #
- B014
- VIN
- 1N6BF0KL3FN805742
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Summit Auto CenterReviews
Summit Auto Center review
I inquired about a vehicle and got a prompt response. It may have been AI, but quick regardless.
2015 Nissan NV Cargo NV1500 review
Love the comfort and style this van has to offer. I Own a small audiovisual company,I can pretty much load up all my sound and lighting in one trip is awesome.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-20
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic 4-Speed
- Engine
- 4.3L V6
- Stock #
- A0125
- VIN
- 1GCFG15X191133536
Features
- Safety
- Stability Control
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Summit Auto CenterReviews
Summit Auto Center review
Bought 3 work trucks. Good price, no nonsense or upsell. 2 months have gone by and I am very happy so far. The amount of trucks they have is beyond belief.
2009 Chevrolet Express 1500 review
Verizon Fleet van. Comes with racks, shelves and a ladder rack. 9 years old with 32k miles. We hope that it keeps running for another 120k. Shouldn't be a problem.
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$85,990
Est. $1,616/mo Auto Gallery Chicago
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- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Cream
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- BLUETEC 3L V-6 diesel direct injection, DOHC, intercooled turbo,
- Stock #
- 7357
- VIN
- WDAPF4CC0JP583546
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Auto Gallery ChicagoReviews
Auto Gallery Chicago review
I bought a 2011 VW Routan from Auto Gallery. Steve went above and beyond to make my car buying experience painless and easy. Great guys to work with. Will recommend to friends and family.
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$28,995
Est. $545/mo Blue Sky Auto Sales - Brighton Park
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- Ext. color
- Cavansite Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3L V-6 diesel direct injection, DOHC, intercooled turbo, diesel,
- Stock #
- KP080231
- VIN
- WD4PF0CD5KP080231
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Blue Sky Auto Sales - Brighton ParkReviews
2019 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 2500 review
The gas motor is outstanding, features are amazing and very safe. The entire van is very well engineered for ease of use and great features.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Frozen White
- Int. color
- Pewter
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Duratec 2.5L I-4 DOHC, iVCT variable valve control, regular unle
- Stock #
- V1562
- VIN
- NM0LS7E76F1179974
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Golden Motors SaleReviews
2015 Ford Transit Connect review
I love this van. It's like driving a space ship - very high visibility. I've had a recall on the side doors but Ford made it good. Be sure to keep up with the recalls. I wasn't aware of the side door recall since I bought it used so I paid out of my pocket for them - but Ford reimbursed me.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Flare Red
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V6 24V PDI DOHC
- Stock #
- L25512AA
- VIN
- KNDNC5H30R6440531
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Third Row Seating
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Wickstrom Auto GroupReviews
Wickstrom Auto Group review
Love my Ford Escape! The car drives like a dream and the dealership and Woody did everything they could to give me a great car. I would recommend this dealership to everyone.
2024 Kia Carnival review
I've had this car since I leased it when it was brand new. Just converted the lease to buying it. The car is roomy and has all the options you could ask for. The car is comfortable and does verywell on gas mileage on the highway.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Oxford White
- Int. color
- GRAY
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.7L V-6 DOHC, Ti-VCT variable valve control, regular unleaded,
- Stock #
- 10992
- VIN
- 1FTYE1YM3JKA74116
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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North Naperville AutosReviews
North Naperville Autos review
Dave at North Naperville Autos gave excellent customer service and helped me buy a car/Hyundai Santa Fe Limited at a great price. He also made such the car had new tires and a complete inspection. We are very pleased with the service and car. I highly recommend this dealership. They also ship cars!!
2018 Ford Transit-150 review
This van is great! Very easy to drive with minimal blind spots that are common in a van. It travels up and down the Pa. Turnpike with a breeze and little crosswind problems.
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- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 11-17
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 4.8L V8 16V MPFI OHV
- Stock #
- 287338
- VIN
- 1GAZGZFF2F1287338
Features
- Safety
- Stability Control
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Multi AutosReviews
Multi Autos review
Nice xars -nice service-Okay prices.the cars were clean.to me some were over priced
2015 Chevrolet Express 3500 review
This van is perfect for small transportation to large groups of people and great on gas! Also has power for the typical mountain passes where i live.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- 1509
- VIN
- WD3PG2EA7J3360741
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Car Hunter ExpressReviews
2018 Mercedes-Benz Metris review
New tires and brakes, service done. Three row with removable back benches for cargo space also. great color combination. Four cylinder with turbo power fuel efficient.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Medium Pewter
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 4.3L V6 12V GDI OHV
- Stock #
- 301570
- VIN
- 1GTW7AFPXM1301570
Features
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Stability Control
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Nelson AutomotiveReviews
Nelson Automotive review
Eddie help finding the perfect car for me and my family. Thank you for great customer service.
2021 GMC Savana 2500 review
Tons of room , plenty power , very fancy and high tech for a truck worth every dollar and look very nice on the outside
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$33,372
Est. $627/mo Baha Auto of Cicero
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- Ext. color
- Arctic White
- Int. color
- Black/White
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3L V-6 diesel direct injection, DOHC, intercooled turbo, diesel,
- Stock #
- 23513
- VIN
- W1Y4ECHY9MT073592
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Baha Auto of CiceroReviews
Baha Auto of Cicero review
I appreciate it and the well versed info, I would like to get further information on purchasing
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$26,965
Est. $507/mo Libertyville Chevrolet
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Medium Pewter
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 4.3L V-6 gasoline direct injection, variable valve control, regu
- Stock #
- AP9843
- VIN
- 1GCWGBFP4P1115632
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- WiFi Hotspot
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Stability Control
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Libertyville ChevroletReviews
Libertyville Chevrolet review
The quail and price for my breaks nobody can bite it the staff nd the service director are super professionals Also the location is very close from home
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Medium Pewter
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 11-17
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Vortec 4.8L V-8 variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
- Stock #
- A2038
- VIN
- 1GCWGFCA3E1134242
Features
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Stability Control
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Ali Luxury MotorsReviews
Ali Luxury Motors review
Wow so impressed amazing customer service. Great cars must visit they go over and beyond to make you happy and satisfied.
2014 Chevrolet Express 2500 review
The Express 2500 Van is a heavy duty van platform with tons of configuration options from the manufacturer and the aftermarket. There are 3 engine choices and several trim levels to suit. Great unit!
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$35,995
Est. $677/mo High Quality Auto Sales - Archer Ave
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- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3L V-6 diesel direct injection, DOHC, intercooled turbo, diesel,
- Stock #
- 14717
- VIN
- WDZPF0CD7KT005385
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
High Quality Auto Sales - Archer AveReviews
2019 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 2500 review
This vehicle is very fun to drive for a commercial service vehicle. It is very sharp and handles very well. We love the cameras for backing up and parking. 360 degree view around the vehicle. This will be much safer than our RAM.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- GRAY
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 36-36
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Hybrid
- Stock #
- 28801700
- VIN
- 5TDKRKEC2SS259666
Features
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Seating
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
CarMax St. Louis Mid Rivers MallReviews
CarMax St. Louis Mid Rivers Mall review
Great service dept, helpful. Sales was helpful in locating the car I have been looking for. Would/will shop atCarMax again. They make it easy and I appreciate the no pressure sales.
2025 Toyota Sienna review
If you are looking for a vehicle that gets good gas mileage and long range then the Toyota Hybrid is for you. On the open road you can get over 35 miles to the gallon and go slightly over 500 miles on a tank of gas.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- GRAY
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 27701358
- VIN
- 5FNRL6H78MB044841
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
CarMax MaplewoodReviews
CarMax Maplewood review
This was my 1st experience with CarMax and I have absolutely nothing but WONDERFUL things to say about the entire process. Everyone that I dealt with, throughout the entire process had amazing attitudes and willing to help in any way possible. I truly felt like everyone enjoyed their jobs and their main goal was to make sure all their customers got into the vehicle that they truly wanted. I can't thank this team enough, for making our Yukon purchase as smooth as it was!
2021 Honda Odyssey review
Bought the 2021 EX-L model end of 2023 with 21,000 miles. I test drive the Sienna and was very disappointed in every aspect which led me to the Oddessy which I had not previously considered. One test drive and I was sold. The amount of space for my three kids to sit comfortably, the ample trunk space, the magic slide seats, automatic sliding doors & heated seats with a sunroof are among my favorite things about this minivan. It's fun to drive and has plenty of power with its 280hp. As long as you have proper snow tires in snowy conditions, this FWD minivan will do just fine. I had no issues in squalls and other winter conditions. I took my snow tires off prematurely and got caught in a winter storm and hit a guard rail and my whole family was safe and sound with no injuries. It has since been repaired back to its original condition. Keep your winter tires on til late Spring to be safe. I will absolutely drive this thing til the wheels fall off and then I'll buy another. Thank you Honda for keeping the Oddessy in your lineup! I hope it never goes away.