Used RAM 3500 trucks for sale near Reminderville, OH
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- 6-Speed Automatic
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- 6.7L I6 24V DDI OHV Turbo Diesel
- Stock #
- 1C263004AP
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- 3C63R3JL4HG747810
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Fred Martin SuperstoreReviews
Fred Martin Superstore review
Just got my 3 car from Fred Martin I love the car I just got,my sales man Tim Smith did a great job getting my loan through the bank,I would recommended Tim to all my friends .if I ever need another car I will be back
2017 RAM 3500 review
This is the best truck I have every driven. Great Looks, Power, Comfort and reliability! It will tow anything you hookup to it. I have driven every make and model of truck and this is the best.
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$39,448
Est. $718/mo Sarchione Chevrolet of Garrettsville
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- Ext. color
- Delmonico Red Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Diesel Gray/Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- Cummins 6.7L I-6 diesel direct injection, intercooled turbo, die
- Stock #
- W0850
- VIN
- 3C63RRGL0JG311763
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Sarchione Chevrolet of GarrettsvilleReviews
Sarchione Chevrolet of Garrettsville review
Marcus and the team made the experience seamless and fast. They have gained a customer for life!
2018 RAM 3500 review
It tows my fifth wheel with ease! It is also fun to drive, as a truck guy, it is the best truck I have owned.
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Not Priced
Est. $0/mo Sarchione Ford Randolph
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- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Cummins 6.7L I-6 diesel direct injection, VVT intercooled turbo,
- Stock #
- 1294A
- VIN
- 3C63R3HL2NG260638
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- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Stability Control
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$47,396
Est. $863/mo Lenz Truck - Fond du Lac, WI
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- Ext. color
- Delmonico Red Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- Cummins High Output 6.7L I-6 diesel direct injection, VVT interc
- Stock #
- B35881
- VIN
- 3C63R3CL4MG619333
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- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
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- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
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- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
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- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Lenz Truck - Fond du Lac, WIReviews
Lenz Truck - Fond du Lac, WI review
Very friendly, unfortunately a long ride to get there. They were very busy, so no one really went over all the features of the truck with us. I am very pleased overall with my new truck and finding it on cars.com.
2021 RAM 3500 review
Well mine is a tradesman. Meaning lowest model. It is a beast. Has plenty of power for a one ton gas engine. I have taken it on a couple of long trips highway drives and I actually got good gas mileage so I am pleased. Only thing I wish I had was a larger information screen. Backup camera is too small for such a big truck
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$31,684
Est. $577/mo Kernersville Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM
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- Ext. color
- Granite Crystal Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- Cummins 6.7L I-6 diesel direct injection, intercooled turbo, die
- Stock #
- 262081A
- VIN
- 3C63R3EL7HG691033
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Kernersville Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAMReviews
Kernersville Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM review
Very easy process and knowledgeable staff. Matt Breedlove was a great guy to deal with on my purchase!
2017 RAM 3500 review
I tow 12,000#’s-16,800#’s regularity for work and our 5th wheel. This is my 2nd ram, first was a 5500 with 11’ flat bed, fantastic rig as long as I had 7 tons or more, rode fine. Semiconductor and current one is a ‘17 3500 dually, tows great and not one issue
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- Ext. color
- Diamond Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 6.7L I6 24V DDI OHV Turbo Diesel
- Stock #
- 26510NCX
- VIN
- 3C63R3MLXSG546402
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- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
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- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
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- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
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- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
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Spitzer Chevrolet North CantonReviews
Spitzer Chevrolet North Canton review
Spitzer is the best in the area. I won’t go anywhere else or trust my vehicle with any any other dealer. We’ve been getting our vehicles from Spitzer for 20 years. Don’t look any further. Spitzer is where it’s at!
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$66,948
Est. $1,218/mo Sarchione Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram
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- Ext. color
- Billet Silver Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Cummins High Output 6.7L I-6 diesel direct injection, VVT interc
- Stock #
- 3794A
- VIN
- 3C63R3JL9RG377231
Features
- Convenience
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Sarchione Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
2024 RAM 3500 review
I have owned many trucks, Chevy, Ford and Ram, Ram is outstanding on performance and reliability. I use these trucks for work, heavy loads including excavation equipment, The high output diesel provides great power. Out performs Ford and Chevy hands down. My only complaint is cheap plastic interior parts that show wear easy. Every Ram over the years has been the same cheap plastic parts. Door panels and such mar and scratch easy from normal wear and tear. My opinion is Ram builds a real workhorse. In the past there were a lot of transmission issues, I believe they have resolved those past issues Cummins power is unbeatable and for years the trans just could not handle the power. I have noticed a big difference on the 2024 model, the trans seems to shift better and does not overheat under heavy load. There is a lot of hype about who builds the best truck, and most of that is sales driven commercials. So I give Ram a 9 out of 10 rating totally based on ownership satisfaction, performance, and long term cost of maintaining the truck.
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$57,394
Est. $1,045/mo Progressive Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAM
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- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Diesel Gray/Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Cummins High Output 6.7L I-6 diesel direct injection, VVT interc
- Stock #
- DPS18777
- VIN
- 3C63RRGL6SG534648
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Stability Control
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Progressive Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAMReviews
Progressive Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAM review
Dealing with Candice in service is truly a pleasure our truck was fixed on the first visit. Candice is very professional, kept us informed every step making sure we knew what was being done and when the truck would be done. A loaner car was provided it was a great truck as well. Jerry the head tec took my truck for a test run to make sure it was ready and done correct.
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- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Cattle Tan / Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 6.7L I6 24V DDI OHV Turbo Diesel
- Stock #
- 260549A
- VIN
- 3C63RRNL6RG109363
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Fairway FordReviews
Fairway Ford review
Josh Nussbaum was the sales person we worked with. He was knowledgeable, personable and very helpful. You can tell he cares about his customers. It was a great overall experience.
2024 RAM 3500 review
I needed a 1 ton dually truck as I have a 34 foot Eliminator SS Continental and a 28 foot Eliminator SS race trailer, both are heavy as they are outfitted as mobile shops. We maxed the 28 out moving the shop and the truck pulled like a freight train. I have 17,000 miles on the odometer zero issues and a respectable return in fuel economy 13-14.5 considering how much in town driving we end up doing and how heavy the truck is so roughly what a 1/2 ton V8 gas truck gets. I bought the Big Horn CC 4X4 Dually with the Blackout Package body in white. The paint is good holds wax and shines nicely when clean. I got the 12" touchscreen and the Alpine 9 speaker system with the subwoofer and it is a worthy expense as it actually sounds better than the Harmon Kardon system in the wife's Durango RT Premium, she's jealous. I got 4:10:1 rear with the AISIN Transmission, I could have waited for the TorqueFlight and the additional 75 ft. Lbs of Torque with the 2025 model but I don't like experimenting with 1st year engines and Transmissions, I've had the experience. Plus we got a really great deal that with comparable options 2024 GM and Fords were more money. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one but I plan on retiring with this truck, it's a good one! The dealership and factory support are great, I've never had a problem getting anything done within reason and warranty items are no questions asked unless you chipped up your truck. These trucks don't need anymore than what they came with, @1,000 lbs. ft Torque. The post 2019 Cummins 6.7 requires synthetic oil but consider the fact that oil changes can extend two times or more of conventional oil and the benefits pay off. I would not hesitate to recommend this truck.
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- Ext. color
- Maximum Steel Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Diesel Gray/Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- HEMI 6.4L V-8 VVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, engi
- Stock #
- 14749
- VIN
- 3C63R3CJ4FG609998
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- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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YalcarsReviews
Yalcars review
Very wonderful car dealership to work with payments are low and easy and affordable and the customer service is hands down excellent made me feel comfortable and happy buying my new used car.
2015 RAM 3500 review
This used truck is very nice and the factory options it came with suit all my needs. Had a 2500 prior, but the 3500 is certainly much better!!
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- Ext. color
- Patriot Blue Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Diesel Gray / Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 6.7L I6 24V DDI OHV Turbo Diesel
- Stock #
- P10179
- VIN
- 3C63RRHL9PG644163
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
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Wooster Chrysler Jeep Dodge RamReviews
Wooster Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram review
I had been looking for a used vehicle and this dealership was very nice and never pushy like some can be.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Diamond Black
- Int. color
- Mountain Brown
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 6.4L V8 16V MPFI OHV
- Stock #
- 26070A
- VIN
- 3C63R3KL2NG180829
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Loudon Motors FordReviews
Loudon Motors Ford review
Tim did a great job, it was quick and painless, and the truck is as described. ( I drove down from Cleveland)
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$85,274
New 2026 RAM 3500 Laramie
$75,393
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$80,111
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$88,880
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$73,469
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$83,478
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$76,277
New 2026 RAM 3500 Big Horn Crew Cab 4x4 8' Box
$84,823
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$85,404
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$84,823
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$76,000
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$60,227
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Diamond Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 6.7L I6 24V DDI OHV Turbo Diesel
- Stock #
- P9535
- VIN
- 3C63R3EL8KG550429
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
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Serpentini Chevrolet OrrvilleReviews
Serpentini Chevrolet Orrville review
Saved some coin!! Got my truck. Tyson was very knowledgeable and very helpful. Only thing negative , I got the truck with 80 miles on it ,someone named Austin had his I Phone & music loaded in the radio & left candy and some trash under the seat.
2019 RAM 3500 review
Built solid, tons of room in the crew cab as well as in the long bed, gets better mileage than I thought it would 15.2- City and 17.8 HWY, 8.3 with 22K lb. 5th wheel. I don’t feel the Grand Design 397TH behind it on travel days. This truck is equipped with the 4:10’s H/O, A transmission. The vehicle when bought had 10,500 on it and I just rolled 15,835 with zero issues.
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$57,994
Est. $1,055/mo Progressive Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAM
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- Ext. color
- Diamond Black Crystal Pearlcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Cummins High Output 6.7L I-6 diesel direct injection, VVT interc
- Stock #
- D26507A
- VIN
- 3C63R3PL6LG120543
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Progressive Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAMReviews
Progressive Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAM review
Great experience Candice was awesome of course she explained everything to me about my jeep and the repairs. Thankyou for your dedication and your kindness.
2020 RAM 3500 review
beats the 6.4 gas motor 2500 towing all day long and in town. The cummins is the only way to go and the HPF pump hasn't been a deal since I pull maintenance. and the new 12" display is awesome!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 6.7L I6 24V DDI OHV Turbo Diesel
- Stock #
- 261022A
- VIN
- 3C63RRML2NG295575
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Fairway FordReviews
Fairway Ford review
Josh had helped me before with finding a car when he worked at kia, so contacted him and told josh that I was in need of a vehicle and that I would be bringing my son up to see if he can get a vehicle too. I got approved, my son got a truck,then my husband got approved. I didn't think it would happen. Thank you so much Josh. And the people that work there are really nice. Keep up the good work.
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$53,999
Est. $983/mo Progressive Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAM
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- Ext. color
- Granite Crystal Metallic Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Diesel
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Cummins 6.7L I-6 diesel direct injection, VVT intercooled turbo,
- Stock #
- D26429A
- VIN
- 3C63RRGL4KG688212
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Progressive Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAMReviews
Progressive Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAM review
Had a very nice experience, with Brock.Very nice young man. He was there for me through it all. He made it very easy. Thanks again Brock!
2019 RAM 3500 review
I love it everything works great it’s comfortable, has lots of power drives good is great looking very peppy zero to do this absolutely awesome
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$36,994
Est. $673/mo Progressive Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAM
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Bright White Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Diesel Gray/Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- HEMI 6.4L V-8 VVT variable valve control, regular unleaded, engi
- Stock #
- D26506A
- VIN
- 3C63R3GJ4JG229398
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Progressive Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAMReviews
Progressive Chrysler Jeep Dodge RAM review
Very good as always thanks to Candice and her caring ways she made sure that my car was serviced and made sure that l knew what was going on and made sure all my needs were met. That you Candice you are awesome.
2018 RAM 3500 review
Only complaint i have is why does it take so long to make a recall.My truck is for mostly pleasure so miles are low.Its out of bumper to bumper warranty and now abs pump hcu is out and they dont have one available or will not recall it knowing its been a problem for alot of trucks!!!!! CHRYSLER YOU NEED TOO MAKE THIS RIGHT!!!! THANKS!!! ALOT OF MONEY FOR THESE VEHICLES TOO BE SO FLAWED!!!!
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