Used Subaru cars for sale near Upper Arlington, OH
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- Ext. color
- Magnetite Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Lineartronic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L 4-Cylinder DOHC 16V VVT
- Stock #
- V266396A
- VIN
- JF2SKASC8LH458179
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
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- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
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- Android Auto®
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- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
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- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
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- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
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Byers Volvo CarsReviews
Byers Volvo Cars review
Great to deal with quick and honest made buying for them easy great people to buy a volvo from
2020 Subaru Forester review
This car is so comfortable! The driver sits up high, with great sight lines in all directions. The seats are comfortable. The features are very intuitive. My car has automatic door locks so when I walk up to the car with my key fob, put my hand on the door handle the doors unlock. It has automatic headlight dimmer which works great. It has plenty of power for freeway acceleration. All wheel drives makes it great in snow. I’m very happy with this car.
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$35,998
Est. $626/mo Performance Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram Delaware
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- Ext. color
- Blue Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual
- Engine
- 2.4L H-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- R9820326
- VIN
- JF1VBAY61R9820326
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Performance Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram DelawareReviews
Performance Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram Delaware review
Jonathan Barnett, is one of the best saleman I have ever delt with, would highly recommend Delaware Performance, THE BEST
2024 Subaru WRX review
This is my second WRX. My first (which I still have) is a 2002 Impreza WRX. I bought this car (2024) for long trips with the family and dog (cane corso). The foreseeable future does not see me daily driving it, tho I am sure it could handle it without any fuss. It has room for storage on trips and to the grocery store. Excellent platform for autocross, rally cross, track days, overlanding and as stated before long trips. This is a car that is hard to beat for its value and versatility.
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$15,998
Est. $278/mo CarMax Cincinnati
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- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- TAN
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-36
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Gas
- Stock #
- 28659155
- VIN
- JF1GPAL62EH313534
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
Dealer
CarMax CincinnatiReviews
CarMax Cincinnati review
I purchased a Nissan Xterra through this dealer, and I was completely impressed with the entire process. No hassles. Will do business with them again!
2014 Subaru Impreza review
Its been more reliable than anything I’ve owned so far . Not very comfortable at times ! the steering wheels a little cold in the winter but its not the luxury model . The manual transmisions smooth shifting is perfect 5 speed to get you down the road!
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- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- CREAM
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-25
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 28725515
- VIN
- 4S4WMARD2P3426352
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Lane Departure Warning
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
CarMax GermantownReviews
CarMax Germantown review
They were super nice and very helpful. They tried everything to help me get the car that I wanted. My credit is just too poor to do anything at the moment.
2023 Subaru Ascent review
This is my 4th Subaru and my 2nd Ascent. Overall it is a superb vehicle with minor issues in my view. The Driver Monitoring function is basically annoying. Either it disables itself or doesn’t alert at all (I’m always wearing sunglasses). The infotainment screen, at boot up, is agonizingly slow with some improvement after a couple of minutes. I assume that it is a processor issue. The front camera switch is in an awkward position (on the center console). It should be on the steering wheel or an icon on the screen. Acceleration is very good, brakes and steering as well. It is very quiet. Visibility is outstanding. All of the safety features are major pluses. Seats are very comfortable.
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- Ext. color
- Cosmic Blue Pearl
- Int. color
- Slate Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 4 Cylinder AWD Gasoline Automatic
- Stock #
- R3185601
- VIN
- 4S4BTADC3R3185601
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Exterior
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
SVG UrbanaReviews
SVG Urbana review
Thank you Alex for making the transition from leasing to buying my vehicle a smooth transition. I’m glad to have great service and financial assistance.
2024 Subaru Outback review
We currently own the Outback 2024 XT, and it’s a great car to drive. However, its turbo CVT engine does produce a slight lag in acceleration and when slowing down. Just a matter of getting used to. Also had issue with the lift gate button, which broke after only two months in possession. My wife and I are in our 60s, and all our kids have their own families, so thank goodness we don’t have to drive those 8 seater SUVs anymore. This outback has been the best alternative for us.
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$10,471
Est. $182/mo Don Wood Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram
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- Ext. color
- Jasmine Green Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- J373574BT
- VIN
- JF2SJADC0GH426848
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
Don Wood Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
Don Wood Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram review
We found a vehicle online and visited the dealership to check it out. The salesperson was very helpful and allowed us to negotiate a fair price on the trade-in and car in which we were interested. One hint though: if you use the online method make sure you read the fine print on the price listed.
2016 Subaru Forester review
I've never owned a Subaru before but after purchasing the Forester, I may never own anything but a Subaru again! I love the Eyesight Drivers Assistant that it came equipped with. I can see why this car has one of the best safety ratings out there. The interior is very open, spacious, & comfortable and the panoramic sunroof is amazing! It drives and handles like a dream. I would recommend this car to anyone. You won't be disappointed!
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$32,248
Est. $561/mo Hugh White Chevrolet Nissan
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- Ext. color
- Ice Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.4L H4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- 32262221
- VIN
- 4S4BTGNDXR3220242
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Hugh White Chevrolet NissanReviews
Hugh White Chevrolet Nissan review
We have been long time customers. All but one car of ours has been purchased there in the past 40 years
2024 Subaru Outback review
This is the eleventh Subaru I have owned, the third outback; the Outback wilderness is by far the best performer of all of the others I have had. I have been happy with subarus from the first one I bought a 1978 Brat; sure wish i still had it.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Abyss Blue Pearl
- Int. color
- Slate Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Lineartronic CVT
- Engine
- 2.4L H-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- NT21095A
- VIN
- 4S4WMALDXN3452994
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
- Third Row Seating
Dealer
Coughlin ToyotaReviews
Coughlin Toyota review
The best car buying experience I have ever had. Ron Saunders was great. No pressure in the financing dept. Great company. Would recommend to all my friends.
2022 Subaru Ascent review
Purchase our Ascent June of 2022 ,love the vehicle it now has little over 44,000 miles on it put new tires on at 29,000 not because of wear but for long trips,brakes are still in great shape at last inspection,we are retired but travel with our dog companion,this car has traveled to New Mexico across to Florida and to Florida every winter and also to Maine and the comfort is just fantastic and our overall gas mileage is twenty five MPG and yes when and if we need to trade it will be another Subaru!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Magnetite Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray w/Yellow Stitching
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Lineartronic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- NT21128A
- VIN
- 4S4GUHF64R3842196
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Coughlin ToyotaReviews
Coughlin Toyota review
just bought my fifth new vehicle from this Coughlin Toyota. As usual, the buying process was great. The salesman, Ron Saunders as well as all of the personnel at the dealership were very friendly and professional in answering all my questions.
2024 Subaru Crosstrek review
Durable. I got the wilderness sport line. Very reliable and just a good compact SUV. As long as you maintain it, it will last forever.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Magnetite Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-34
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Lineartronic CVT
- Engine
- 2L H-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- FU11738
- VIN
- JF2GUADC3RH226367
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Coughlin Ford of HeathReviews
Coughlin Ford of Heath review
We were looking to update our vehicle , it had been 8 years since our last new vehicle , which was from Mathews Ford. We were browsing the lot and met Justin Coleman . He was a great help in explaining and demonstrating the newer features on the cars . He helped guide us to the best choice for us . Give Justin and Mathews Ford a chance to help you too >
2024 Subaru Crosstrek review
I love my 2024 Subaru Crosstrek! It's great in all weather conditions, which is one of the main reasons I bought it. I live in the Buffalo area and I needed a good car for the snowy winters. It's roomy enough to hold plenty of luggage and even my dog's large crate but easy to maneuver and park. I love all the safety features and special features such as the large media display.
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$22,970
Est. $400/mo Don Wood Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram
Check Availability Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal White Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.4L H4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- J004129P
- VIN
- 4S3BWGN69N3004129
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Don Wood Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
Don Wood Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram review
Yes, incredible. It is not often I experience something incredible. I did at Don Wood CDJR. In fact, my fist experience in October was such a positive experience I was motivated to purchase a second car from them a few months later. For me, customer service is the support you offer your customers before, during and after they buy. BEFORE: Their website is easy to maneuver and up to date with inventory. This is a little lol because I didn't find what I wanted in their inventory and decided to make a custom order from them. DURING: While at the dealership everyone I encountered made my time there an easy and enjoyable experience. I'd describe them as professional and knowledgeable. Good listeners. AFTER: Many companies forget you, not the peeps at Don Wood. The followup care and support continued in a way that made me an absolute believer that their culture in wanting a happy customer is truly far reaching and genuine. They reached out to me just to make sure I didn't have any post purchase questions about the car or they many options I ordered with my new vehicle. I have not had dealings with their Service Department, however, I did pass a couple technicians in the halls etc. Each one made eye contact with me and each one said "hello". Unhappy or disgruntled associates do not do this. In summary, Yes Yes and YES - I drove from New Albany to buy my 2 vehicles here. My first was a Jeep in November and today a RAM 1500 diesel. With my highest recommendation I say YES I give Don Wood CDJR my gratitude and thanks. I am huge fan of their product. IMO their product isn't the cars and trucks they represent/sell, it is the humanity with which they do business and the genuine person to person interaction. It is meaningful. It has been a pleasure to share this recommendation. - JM
2022 Subaru Legacy review
from the first day I had it I haven’t had any issues with it as it handles great and gas economy is awesome. I don’t have a negative to write. I drove Lincoln’s for the last 20 or more years and because they stopped making cars and only Crossovers or SVU’s, I searched high and low to find an equivalent car and googled all the options that were a must and the Subaru Legacy Elite came up and my husband and I went to look and drove out with our new car and couldn’t be happier. The ride is comfortable and the car is just great.
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$12,165
Est. $212/mo Hugh White Chevrolet Nissan
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- Ext. color
- Dark Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 25-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.0L H4 16V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- 35548030
- VIN
- JF2GPAKC9E8242917
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Hugh White Chevrolet NissanReviews
Hugh White Chevrolet Nissan review
Thank You Hugh White for a job well done by building customer's confidence.
2014 Subaru XV Crosstrek review
Best car I ever owned. 135000 miles. No problems will buy a new new new new new new new new new new new new new
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$37,287
New 2026 Subaru Outback Premium 
$37,287
New 2026 Subaru Outback Premium 
$37,287
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$37,287
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$39,136
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$38,159
New 2026 Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid Base 
$35,741
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$36,931
New 2026 Subaru Forester Premium 
$39,347
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$40,041
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$40,436
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Magnetite Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-35
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- 35548020
- VIN
- 4S3BWAN68N3006323
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Hugh White Chevrolet NissanReviews
Hugh White Chevrolet Nissan review
Efficient and great to work with. Waiting room and bathroom were clean. Employees were friendly and kind. I would definitely recommend to associates and friends, whether to purchase or services needed.
2022 Subaru Legacy review
Lots of safety features. Easy to drive. Very comfortable. I think it is well built . I feel good driving it . A car very much worth checking out
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- WR Blue Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Close-Ratio 6-Speed Manual
- Engine
- 2L H-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control, prem
- Stock #
- NT21130A
- VIN
- JF1ZCAC14G9604123
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Coughlin ToyotaReviews
Coughlin Toyota review
I received very good service at Toyota recently by Mr. Green and the work was done in good time. Very efficient check in and check out with all of the necessary things getting done and explained to me so I understood what all was done. Thank you for your good service.
2016 Subaru BRZ review
This car is amazing in more ways than one I love how they made it so smoothly and coming from subaru u know u got them heads turning and for the price it maximizes the cars features worth it for sure
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Solar Orange Pearl
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Manual
- Engine
- 2.4L H-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- FU11684
- VIN
- JF1VBAN68R9819226
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Coughlin Ford of HeathReviews
Coughlin Ford of Heath review
We've dealt with Mike Estep for all of our 4 trucks. Being a long time customer of his says a lot about his caring attitude and his character.We enjoy working with Mike every 3 years... we lease our trucks that pull our 5th wheel camper. We know that we can rely on him to find what we need. Mike is personable and straightforward. He gets the job done and does it very well. We'll see him again when it's time for truck number 5.
2024 Subaru WRX review
amazing WRX so I just bought my first WRX Limited. I have been driving Subaru most of my life and this is the first WRX I have ever around. I love this car. This exterior is sleek with beautiful lines made out of steel and aluminum . The weight of this car dry is 3560 pounds a little bit heavier than a NASCAR Xfinity race car the performance on this car from 0 to 60 is 4.9 seconds in the CVT automatic. The visibility on this car is excellent. The inside has been modified with Ricardo was seats that I was able to pick up at a junkyard for $150 each . interior of this car is extremely sleek with a Black interior with a leather interior not plastic, like the bmw's or Audis . The control is a 10 inch control panel where you can do everything from your steering wheel or by just telling the car what to do. it has a great sound when you start up . on a negative side the trunk is not very big but we're looking for a true sports car without spending a lot of money. This is definitely the way to go. I have also driven the BMW and the Porsche Boxster and there's absolutely no comparison every time I get into this car it's a rush. Enjoy the Subaru WRX. It also comes with a three-year 36,000 mile bumper-to-bumper.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Crystal White Pearl
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H4 16V GDI DOHC
- Stock #
- J554304PR
- VIN
- JF2SKADC7MH554304
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Don Wood Chrysler Dodge Jeep RamReviews
Don Wood Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram review
Jay Grey was great very friendly and professional! Made the buying process seem so easy ! Love my Jeep this is the 2nd I have bought from Don Wood our 6th car we have bought through Don Wood
2021 Subaru Forester review
Other than battery replacement , car has been amazing ! 1 exception cup holders are located too far aft and require driver to look down to locate cup without removing eyes from road ! This issue has been partially addressed in later years by offsetting passengers holder slightly forward of drivers, but still awkward position ! both should be more forward nearer to dash !
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