Used compact SUVs for sale near Bothell, WA
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$34,227
Est. $645/mo AutoNation Honda Renton
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- Ext. color
- Eminent White Pearl
- Int. color
- Dapple Gray/Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- PA018905A
- VIN
- JTJAAAAB1PA018905
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
AutoNation Honda RentonReviews
AutoNation Honda Renton review
Very satisfied. Very fast transaction. Thanks to Nhat at sales consultant for helping us get my dream car. We will definitely recommend to our family and friends.
2023 Lexus RZ 450e review
Absolutely love this car! Smooth, quite and just the right size. Beautiful interior and exterior. Some people complain about range but for me this works great. I'm getting between 3.7 and 3.9 kwh and a range of 255. It's a 2023 RZ450e AWD premium with 18 inch wheels. Not the longest range and not the fastest but true quality.
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$34,572
Est. $651/mo Marysville Toyota
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- Ext. color
- Ingot Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Black w/Brown
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- SKYACTIV-G 2.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable va
- Stock #
- T574A
- VIN
- 7MMVABEY1RN172230
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Marysville ToyotaReviews
Marysville Toyota review
I was greeted quickly by a friendly and helpful person. My car was finished a little earlier than was quoted.
2024 Mazda CX-50 review
Other than an error code that was fixed about a month after purchase. The CX-50 has been a pleasure to drive. Very responsive and once you get used to the safety feature built into the cruise control that is fine as well. It will slow down automatically when approaching a slower moving vehicle. If you change to passing lane it will then speed up until set speed or you approach another vehicle. Gas mileage is 24 city and it seems like 28 to 30 highway. Not actually calculated that but miles oer tank increases. Love the car but for me back seats seem to sit too straight. Not sure if they can recline or not.
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$35,190
Est. $663/mo Pierre Chevrolet
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- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- 1-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- U34490
- VIN
- 7SAYGDEE1RF103911
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Pierre ChevroletReviews
Pierre Chevrolet review
We have purchased many vehicles during our lifetime and our buying experience with Pierre Chevrolet topped them all. Our salesman (Theo) and everyone else we dealt with was professional and friendly. At no point during the sales process did we ever feel pressured!!!
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- Ext. color
- Majestic Black Pearl
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-27
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 10-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, VTEC variable valve cont
- Stock #
- 2816LCZ
- VIN
- 5J8TC2H71SL022030
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Acura of BellevueReviews
Acura of Bellevue review
My wife and have a 2011 Acura MDX, not purchased from this dealership. I brought the car to the dealership for service. We were very pleased by the outstanding service and professional staff there. We were given a MDX as a free loaner while our car was getting its services and detailing. We live in Lakewood, and will continue to drive here for service and new vehicle purchase when the time comes.
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- Ext. color
- Ice Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- CVT
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
- Stock #
- A517986
- VIN
- JF2SJAGC3JH517986
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
ZAG Motors EverettReviews
ZAG Motors Everett review
I just bought my second car from ZAG Motors..Very professional and they have very clean and nice cars..
2018 Subaru Forester review
Great value considering the superior safety features, low maintenance and reliability. Rear wheel bearings have been replaced twice and just had the AC compressor and serpentine belt replaced. Albeit expensive repairs, all cars need something after the first 3 years. It's been 8 years and the car still run and drives like new.
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- Ext. color
- Snowflake White Pearl Mica
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- SKYACTIV-G 2.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, VVT variabl
- Stock #
- 22709
- VIN
- JM3KFBCM3K0665857
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Sports Cars InternationalReviews
Sports Cars International review
Great experience with Sports Cars International. The team was friendly, honest, and very helpful. They made the used car buying process simple and stress-free. I’m very happy with my purchase and highly recommend them.
2019 Mazda CX-5 review
This is my second CX-5. This first was a 2016 I bought in 2019 and loved tremendously and then it was totaled when I was rear-ended by someone texting and driving during Covid. I drove a sort of hand-me-down Jeep for a while during the weird Covid period when everything was uncertain but knew I wanted another CX-5 as soon as I felt financially comfortable. The car is extremely comfortable, handles well and has a beautiful streamlined and simply classic look. My partner who is a die-hard Mercedes snob even loves it!
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- Ext. color
- Black Clearcoat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-24
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, intercooled turbo, premi
- Stock #
- MW866356
- VIN
- 1C4HJXDN3MW866356
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Tow Hitch
- Tow Hooks
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Stability Control
Dealer
Port Orchard FordReviews
Port Orchard Ford review
Marshall and team are great. Thank you for the great experience buying the new raptor
2021 Jeep Wrangler review
I have a 2021, 2 door, Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. Is it a decent vehicle - yes. Is it for everyone? Probably not. But if you like to drive with the roof off, don't mind bouncing around on the road a little bit....and it is bouncing around, ok with the wind noise, then this is the vehicle for you. The V6 engine is decent. Do the maintenance and it will be fine long term. I have the manual transmission. Works fine and makes it more enjoyable to drive. It is a very nimble vehicle, no problem on the highway, comfortable, and the noise is not that bad when travelling. Is it a vehicle I would drive in bitterly cold winters and icy roads - I am in Canada where winter is winter and -40 is real....nope I would not. However there are thousands of people around here that do. This vehicle is an acquired taste with a variety of uses, applications, and lots of strengths. Does it have many weaknesses - no not really. But you need to be sure why you have it, accept its nuances - which are not that bad, and enjoy it!! It is a fun vehicle to have especially in the summer when the sun is blazing!!!
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- Ext. color
- Sonic Silver
- Int. color
- Black/Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 45-38
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Dynamic Force 2L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, VVT-i variable
- Stock #
- P2224
- VIN
- 7MUFBABG1SV070911
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Marysville ToyotaReviews
Marysville Toyota review
I liked everything about my experience. The car I was looking for at the price I hoped for and a great team to put it all together.
2025 Toyota Corolla Hybrid review
It’s kind of funny. It’s a Corolla Hybrid, but looks so sporty that I find a lot of people look to race me when the light turns green…it’s a Corolla, and it’s not quick…at all. But, that’s a testament to its appearance. It’s very nice looking in the SE trim. The performance and CVT are prohibitive to excitement, but it is economical and adequate for normal city and highway driving. The road noise is pretty bad, but the suspension supple and it absorbs road imperfections well. The seats in front and the rear are comfortable. It does lack storage space as well. The glove box is basically just big enough to hold your registration. The center console is very small as well. The base sound system is its biggest flaw. It is terrible. I don’t know if the upgraded stereo is much better or worth the upgrade, but with as much road noise as there is, a better/louder stereo is needed to hear the music and drown out the other noise. I am averaging about 44-45 MPG in the AWD SE Hybrid.
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$37,687
Est. $710/mo Rairdon's Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Kirkland
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- Ext. color
- Midnight Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 38-35
- Fuel type
- Hybrid
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Dynamic Force 2.5L I-4 port/direct injection, DOHC, VVT-i variab
- Stock #
- RW209159
- VIN
- 2T3UWRFV6RW209159
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Roof Rack
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Rairdon's Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of KirklandReviews
Rairdon's Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Kirkland review
I got an excellent service at this location for my RAM 1500 diagnostics and RV break installation. I want to praise April for amazing customer service.
2024 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid review
I traded in a Corolla hatchback for this RAV4. I love the size inside. I love the screen and it’s pretty comfortable though. I haven’t taken it on a very long trip. My gas mileage has decline since winter has come, but so far the all-wheel-drive is handling the snow
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- Ext. color
- Green
- Int. color
- Tan
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-31
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 6-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I4 16V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- 017161
- VIN
- JTMWFREV8DD017161
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
Dealer
iDeal Auto SalesReviews
2013 Toyota RAV4 review
I love my 2013 RAV4. It runs great. I haven’t had any problems with it. The key is to always keep up the maintenance Toyota makes the best cars.
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$41,999
Est. $791/mo Lee Johnson Hyundai of Everett
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- Ext. color
- Digital Teal
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- 4799
- VIN
- 7YAKPDDC8TY058369
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Lee Johnson Hyundai of EverettReviews
Lee Johnson Hyundai of Everett review
Everyone was so friendly and nice! The waiting room snacks were some of the best I’ve had.
2026 Hyundai IONIQ 5 review
I’ve only had the car a month. It’s very comfortable and responsive, looks nice, and has lots of great safety and convenience technology. It’s somewhat complex to set up, with multiple menus and some programmable buttons, and the heads-up display doesn’t show up with polarized sunglasses. Otherwise, I’m completely satisfied with the car.
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- Ext. color
- Deep Crystal Blue Mica
- Int. color
- Parchment
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-29
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- SKYACTIV-G 2.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable va
- Stock #
- S13476A
- VIN
- JM3KFBDL7H0205616
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Seattle MiniReviews
Seattle Mini review
Cosmin was a great sales person. He knew the vehicle inside and out and was able to answer all of my questions. Pricing was fair, so no need for haggling. I would highly recommend Cosmin and Seattle MINI!
2017 Mazda CX-5 review
Best car purchase I’ve ever made and would buy another Mazda CX-5. Still fun to drive and reliable. Many friends have bought one after driving mine.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- Gray
- Drivetrain
- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 4-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.4L I4 16V MPFI DOHC
- Stock #
- C720
- VIN
- JHLRD78834C056777
Features
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
Dealer
Aneels Wheels LLCReviews
2004 Honda CR-V review
I've owned Honda's for most of my life. Not once ever disappointed in quality of build and reliability. Have always taken very good care of my vehicles. This 2004 Honda CR-V is no exception. What a great reliable vehicle it has been and is and has never once let me down. Couldn't recommend more.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Sandstorm Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- T477A
- VIN
- 2HKRW2H85JH638857
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Power Liftgate
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
Marysville ToyotaReviews
2018 Honda CR-V review
Honda crv is good transportation. Honda makes terrible electronics. The information system is faulty The multifunction camera is crap If you just need to get from point a to b. Honda will get you there
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Gray
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 8-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- R9V29625
- VIN
- 5UX53DP07R9V29625
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Folding Mirrors
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
BMW of BellevueReviews
BMW of Bellevue review
Work done: Windshield replacement of cracked windhshield. Gald I chose to have the repair done at BMW of Bellevue. Service advisor called to review the upcoming work, reminded me that I had windshield protection, advised me on where to submit a claim and kicked off the process to run the work through the claim process. In the end, there was no fee and I didn’t need to use my own car insurance- windshield protection. The work was done within a day after permaplate approved the claim to be done at BMW of Bellevue. All of the service advisors I’ve met go beyond and seem to remember past services, so much so that I thought we were assigned a specific advisor for all services. (Shoutout to Jennie.). My advisor this time, Angel, also noted that my wiper blades needed replacement and replaced them. There was no charge. I don’t remember if that is part of any plan or a service this service department just provides but I appreciate that the initiative was taken. As usual, I like going to this service department. Beyond the thoroughness, the facilities are clean and organized and the process for reporting on the status of the work and your car (multipoint check report and a video of the exterior state of the car upon completion) is reassuring. And finally, I don’t know if the car is washed but the exterior seems cleaner when I get it back!
2024 BMW X3 review
Only have been driving the car for a week, but it is clearly the best SUV I have experienced. My wife drives the Mercedes 300 - a fine car as well, but I have always preferred BMY engine performance and handling. The X3 is simply a pleasure to drive.
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- Ext. color
- Deep Sea Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- Oyster
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 21-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- H0T07731STK
- VIN
- 5UXWX9C50H0T07731
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
Dealer
APX Auto BrokersReviews
APX Auto Brokers review
Two thumbs up to this dealership! I went in looking for an AWD SUV and I was able to find a 1 owner, clean title Honda Pilot with 3rd row seating. Great customer service from our sales rep Diego, the staff is also very friendly. I highly recommend this dealership to anyone looking to buy a car!
2017 BMW X3 review
STAR AUTO MALL: Worst car dealer EVER! I bought a 2017 BMW X3. They never checked the car! I had problems immediately! I called, emailed & texted... Star Auto Mall would NOT return my calls, texts or emails! I went to BMW dealer, and they found lots of issues! Wires hanging down, tires rubbing, etc. It cost me $480 to fix it! I billed Star Auto Mall, and it looks like they're just chucking me the finger!! AVOID these incompetent thieves! Here's links to my issues with the car they sold me! https://thebassplayer.com/BMW-Bill.pdf https://thebassplayer.com/BMW-1.mp4 If I don't get a check by the end of the month, a lawyer friend told me it's a slam dunk in small claims count.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- 1-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- P00719
- VIN
- KM8KNDDF8RU244920
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
Dealer
Land Rover BellevueReviews
Land Rover Bellevue review
Zoran Bosiljkic Was so accommodating and so incredibly helpful. Kind and made me feel so comfortable. I will highly recommend this dealership to friends and family! I will definitely be coming back but to only Zoran as my sales guy!
2024 Hyundai IONIQ 5 review
The Limited is a great car with loads of high end features. Love all the safety features that the car offers. Performance has been great and love driving an electric car>
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Black Currant Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic 6-Speed
- Engine
- 2.5L I-4 DOHC, VVT-i variable valve control, regular unleaded, e
- Stock #
- JW763242STK
- VIN
- 2T3BFREV5JW763242
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- CD Player
- USB Port
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Lane Departure Warning
- Stability Control
Dealer
Spencer's Auto SalesReviews
Spencer's Auto Sales review
Great dealership! Large amount of inventory and super friendly specialists. Got me into a great car that I love!
2018 Toyota RAV4 review
2018 Rav4 was totaled by someone who ran a stop sign. Miss this car every day. Every single airbag went off and me and the other passenger were safe and able to walk away alive. Thankful for this car.
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- Magnetite Gray Metallic
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- Black
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- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
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- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- MH464071
- VIN
- JF2SKAXC4MH464071
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- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
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- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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AutoNation Honda RentonReviews
AutoNation Honda Renton review
Customer service is always the best . Great service and good quality cars. Good assistance. I
2021 Subaru Forester review
Other than battery replacement , car has been amazing ! 1 exception cup holders are located too far aft and require driver to look down to locate cup without removing eyes from road ! This issue has been partially addressed in later years by offsetting passengers holder slightly forward of drivers, but still awkward position ! both should be more forward nearer to dash !
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- Oxford White
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- Ebony
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- Front-wheel Drive
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- Gasoline
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- Automatic
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- Duratec 2.5L I-4 DOHC, iVCT variable valve control, regular unle
- Stock #
- T718A
- VIN
- 1FMCU0E18PUA28453
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- Adaptive Cruise Control
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Marysville ToyotaReviews
2023 Ford Escape PHEV review
Have had it for a couple of weeks. I just filled the fuel tank for the first time today. I have put about 600 miles on it on one tank of gas. Have plugged it in every night after I have driven it. I love it!
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- Ext. color
- Whistler Silver Metallic
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- No Color
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- Four-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-28
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- Gasoline
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- Automatic
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- 2.4L I-4 DOHC, i-VTEC variable valve control, regular unleaded,
- Stock #
- 2364
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- JHLRE48707C098931
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Northwest Auto Empire LLCReviews
Northwest Auto Empire LLC review
Great people to work with. They got me into the car I wanted and were honest about everything. It made the buying process a lot easier.
2007 Honda CR-V review
In 2026, I received a 2007 Honda CRV EX from my father who no longer can drive. The vehicle is 19 years old and only has 89K miles on it. The ONLY major repair I had to make on this vehicle is a A/C Compressor for $1600. Other than that, the car has been meticulously maintained. I change the oil every 3,000 to 4,000 using Idemitsu synthetic 5w20 oil using a Japanese made oil filter by Honda. The car still runs flawlessly and my goal is to get at least 300K miles or more. The K24Z1 engine with the 5 speed automatic transmission is bullet proof and as long as I change the transmission fluid every 30K and oil changes every 3-4K miles, the vehicle will easily make it to 300K. Best engine/transmission combo Honda ever had.
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- Sterling Gray Metallic
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- Black w/Blue Accents
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- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- 1-Speed Automatic
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- Electric
- Stock #
- CS4171X
- VIN
- 3GN7DNRR9TS124726
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- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
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- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
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- Power Liftgate
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- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Tow Hitch
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
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- Leather Seats
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Chevrolet of BellevueReviews
Chevrolet of Bellevue review
My experience at Chevrolet Bellevue was very splendid. The team there and my specific salesman—Iseah Williams—handle every situation smoothly even when it was as difficult as mine. Iseah made all time spent at the dealership enjoyable, having taken the stress of what buying a car could be away. I would not only recommended this dealership but recommended Iseah Williams.
2026 Chevrolet Equinox EV review
I just purchased a 2026 Chevrolet Equinox from Champlain Chevrolet and I absolutely love everything about the car!!! The look and ride are truly amazing!!! I was very hesitant at first but I'm so happy I decided to purchase it!!! It's worth every cent!!!!
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- Ext. color
- Gray
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- No Color
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- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-28
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3.5L V-6 i-VTEC variable valve control, premium unleaded, engine
- Stock #
- 2434
- VIN
- 5J8TB3H31FL018362
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- Convenience
- Heated Seats
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- Keyless Start
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- Bluetooth®
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Northwest Auto Empire LLCReviews
Northwest Auto Empire LLC review
Bought my first car from the guys will definitely be back for my second thanks guys!
2015 Acura RDX review
Love this car I live in Minnesota and plow snow In the winter.. We recently had a bad snowfall dropping over a foot of hard wet snow. I've never had any issues with unplowed roads and drifts. This vehicle get me there safely ever time..
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- Ext. color
- Sage Green Metallic
- Int. color
- Platinum
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 20-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L H-4 variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine with 1
- Stock #
- 33426
- VIN
- JF2SH6AC3AH728560
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- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
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- Automatic Emergency Braking
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Rich's Car CornerReviews
Rich's Car Corner review
I have now purchased two vehicles from Rich’s Car Corner. I recently purchased a work truck and Dante, my salesman took really good care of me. He Answered all my questions and had great communication. The original vehicle which I bought many years ago, was sold to a friend and he’s still driving it, and it has 200,000 miles on it now. Rich, the owner, worked with Dante to also set me up with a six month or 6000 mile warranty for a piece of mind for my used truck purchase. it was easy to finance this vehicle as I have worked with the same finance company before and the whole approval only took less than 15 minutes. I give this dealer a five star rating and would recommend anyone looking for a good used car to come here. They will take good care of you
2010 Subaru Forester review
This is a follow up review, I did have to change the head gaskets out on my 2010 forester. I've seen this is common, once again, the work is able to be done by a DIY mechanic. Since 2020 Ive had to change the ignition coil, spark plug wires, head gaskets in February of 2024, and also the crankshaft position sensor. The car had 165,000 miles when the head gaskets needed changed. So far it has 173,000 miles and still runs well. Also changed were the clutch and throwout beairng, and another timing belt change. It still runs very well, the exhaust is getting rusty and have had to fix that, overall its been a good car. I've owned it for 12 years and the ability to work on it yourself is what I really like about it, it isn't fast, but its quite utilitarian and my dog loves it as well. So if you don't mind working on your own stuff its one of the easiest cars to work on with the way the engine is oriented in the longitudinal position. I've always changed the oil every 4-5000 miles since I've had it, the heads and valves were completely clean. I'd say if one keeps up the servicing on these they are good vehicles to own. Not looking forward to when it blows, they don't make plain cars like this now adays.
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- Black
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- Electric
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- 1-Speed Automatic
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- Electric
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- D12675
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- 3FMTK1S57SMA12552
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- Adaptive Cruise Control
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Sound FordReviews
Sound Ford review
Great deal best price than other dealers. Anna was my salesperson very knowledgeable and Nabu in finance was very fast. Would recommend Soundford.com.
2025 Ford Mustang Mach-E review
Exterior interior design of this car is absolutely fantastic! I got the premium edition with the premium interior and performance package, including special front air, dam, and Brembo brakes in the front. I couldn’t be happier with this car and in love with it!!! the front seats are a little stiff. Maybe that’s because it only has 5000 miles on it? I just completed a 300 mile trip and loved every mile.
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- Ext. color
- Summit White
- Int. color
- Jet Black
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- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-30
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- T776A
- VIN
- 3GNAXTEG3PS118383
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- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
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Marysville ToyotaReviews
2023 Chevrolet Equinox review
The equinox is very nice for the price. My biggest complaint is has a horrible suspension. I even lowered air pressure in the tires below the recommended pressure and the ride was no better. You feel every little bump in the pavement.
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- Ext. color
- Graphite Blue Metallic
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- Black
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- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 22-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2.5L I-4 DOHC, variable valve control, regular unleaded, engine
- Stock #
- 33537
- VIN
- JN8AS5MV4CW386901
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- Convenience
- Heated Seats
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- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
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Rich's Car CornerReviews
Rich's Car Corner review
After looking on-line, we made a special trip to Rich's Car Corner to shop for a mini-van to use as a grandkid hauler. After checking a couple other mini-vans, Dante helped us with our selection of a Mercury Villager GS, which was well-equipped, clean, and apparently well cared-for. Dante was courteous, efficient, and completed our purchase so that we were on our way home quickly. We're very pleased. Thank you Dante!
2012 Nissan Rogue review
I have it for 3 years runs good keep. Maintenance up on it. It is a good running car. Love it. Smooth running suv. Family car.
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$11,187
Est. $211/mo Rairdon's Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Kirkland
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- Ext. color
- Space Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 19-26
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 3L I-6 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- CL889365
- VIN
- 5UXWX7C51CL889365
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
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- Entertainment
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- USB Port
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Rairdon's Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of KirklandReviews
Rairdon's Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM of Kirkland review
Service provided for Fiat 500 car issue was good, quicker than anticipated. Nasreen the Fiat Service Advisor was great..very responsive and helpful — thank you! Service and parts prices were pricey!
2012 BMW X3 review
I have owned the original X3 and followed up with this model. The second generation is certainly a few steps above as far as comfort, style and driving performance. 2012 is the last year the 28i is powered by the 3.0L inline 6. Acceleration is great after getting the software update. Prior to it, I had the aggravating slow response met with a rush of acceleration. The software update has smoothed out the throttle greatly. The ride is super comfortable for day to day as well as trips. I have taken this car on long trips a few times this year and it is great on gas, very comfortable seats and great visibility. It is easy to park and has a tight turning circle. The handling feels like the 3 series sedan! Going up and down hills and mountainsides feels secure. Feature wise, I fully recommend the backup camera and parking sensors as well as the heated seats/steering wheel. Cargo space is adequate for this class and three average sized adults can fit in the backseat comfortably. I will say that BMW has this peculiar way of stripping the cars down in the past 10 years and labeling it as "customization." You notice the small things such as no puddle lights on my particular car, as well as having to get packages for an improved interior/exterior. Another example is if you do not get the Navigation, you do not get the nicely done, upscale graphics on the speedometer area. You have to add leather, a sunroof, heated seats, etc. My older BMW's had a lot of these more common features standard. If you buy this car used, be sure to pay attention to the features and how it was optioned. Overall, the car has been very reliable and a joy to drive!
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$34,000
Est. $641/mo Seattle Finest Motors
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- Ext. color
- Solid Black
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- FNF490882
- VIN
- 7SAYGDEFXNF490882
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- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
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- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
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- Alloy Wheels
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- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Seattle Finest MotorsReviews
Seattle Finest Motors review
Responsive, attentive, and flexible. Works through all options to come to the best fit financially for us. Satisfying experience from a dealership that clearly aspires to be Seattle's Finest Auto Dealership.
2022 Tesla Model Y review
The is the FUTURE of automobile transportation! Absolutely FABULOUS car! No more gasoline, no more scheduled maintenance. If you hit the accelerator hard, you'd better have your head against the headrest or you may be injured. Zero to 60 mph in 3.5 seconds for my 2022 Model Y Performance. Fast charging Tesla Superchargers are always available across the country making long, cross country road trips a pleasure. At home I can charge 300 miles of range over night for $8 of electricity. Yes $8! Super Chargers cost more, but the speed and convenience is well worth the costs on road trips and it's still a fraction of the price of gasoline. I honestly look forward to getting into this car and driving it. I've owned a Mustang, BMW M3 and 5 Series, a Porche, Jaguar, Mercedes SL550, and many more cars. None were as fun to drive as the Tesla Model Y Performance. This is the future of automobile transportation and getting better every day.
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- Ext. color
- Sterling Gray Metallic
- Int. color
- Sky Cool Gray
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- 1-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- CS4121X
- VIN
- 3GN7DNRR0TS109838
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- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Cooled Seats
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
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- Remote Start
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- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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Chevrolet of BellevueReviews
Chevrolet of Bellevue review
Mike and Dan were fantastic at answering my questions and being patient with me. Their hospitality made the experience worth spending the money!
2026 Chevrolet Equinox EV review
This is my first EV but I've owned three PHEV's before this vehicle. This is the most comfortable and best riding vehicle I've ever owned and that includes a Mercedes. I looked briefly at a Tesla before this and can't understand why anyone would want to buy a car that has a dash that looks like someone glued an ipad in the middle and called it good. The Equinox has a wrap around touch screen dash and all of the functions are easy to navigate to and self explanatory. It also has separate push button HVAC controls, which makes it nice for winter driving with gloves on.
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$31,000
Est. $584/mo AutoSavvy Post Falls
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- Pearl White Multi-Coat
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Electric Motor
- Stock #
- 117498
- VIN
- 7SAYGDEE2PF687314
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
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- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
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- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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AutoSavvy Post FallsReviews
AutoSavvy Post Falls review
Dominick was very helpful and considerate. He made me feel at ease with no pressure. Highly recommend him and Auto Savvy.
2023 Tesla Model Y review
Pros- -low to no maintenance cost -Technology is unmatched by any competitor -Quick and agile 0-60 in less the 4 secs -added security features are extremely useful -App is user friendly Con- -not comfortable to drive for long distances -limited rear cargo space for large items -the interior material is subpar -tires wear much quicker -depreciating at much faster pace than others
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$32,800
Est. $618/mo AutoSavvy Post Falls
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- Stealth Grey
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- All-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Electric Motor
- Stock #
- 119058
- VIN
- 7SAYGDEE5SF302031
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Power Liftgate
- Entertainment
- Android Auto®
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
- Memory Seat
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AutoSavvy Post FallsReviews
AutoSavvy Post Falls review
Dominic was very helpful in getting us into a new car. We were able to roll over negative equity and get us into our dream car! They were not pushy, but very helpful when we had questions, would definitely recommend!
2025 Tesla Model Y review
I got a significant discount by purchasing a Tesla from inventory plus the 7500 tax credit It has more than met my expectations. Fun car to drive even without self driving