Used MINI cars for sale near La Puente, CA
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$34,417
Est. $611/mo AutoNation Toyota Irvine
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- Ext. color
- Legend Grey Metallic
- Int. color
- JCW Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-37
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- S2X56407
- VIN
- WMW33GD00S2X56407
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
AutoNation Toyota IrvineReviews
AutoNation Toyota Irvine review
Service is amazing. Manny rocks. Don’t go to any other dealer. Irvine Toyota rocks
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$23,995
Est. $426/mo Bravo Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM
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- Ext. color
- Moonwalk Grey Metallic
- Int. color
- Carbon Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-38
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- C133891
- VIN
- WMW53DH0XP2S73810
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bravo Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAMReviews
Bravo Chrysler Dodge Jeep RAM review
Amazing customer service . Great overall experience. Very nice people. Helped me pick out the car that was best for me
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- Ext. color
- Silver Metallic
- Int. color
- Cordoba Beige L
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual
- Engine
- 1.6L I-4 intercooled supercharger, premium unleaded, engine with
- Stock #
- MU31755P
- VIN
- WMWRE33415TD97913
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Entertainment
- CD Player
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
South Bay BMWReviews
South Bay BMW review
Really had a good experience with my salesperson. Polite, efficient, not too pushy, and respectful of what my needs were. Dramatically different than other places I’ve gone around LA; in a good way.
2005 MINI Cooper S review
I will more than likely never own another car again, the handling, the comfort, the aggressive acceleration and the look of the 2005 R53!!! Mini cooper S is the funnest car I've ever driven, also the most nimble, gives you the entire road to make whatever decision you wish. and will do exactly what you ask of it! I LOVE MY MINI!!!!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Silver
- Int. color
- Carbon Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- MU31763P
- VIN
- WMW13DJ05R2V90731
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
South Bay MINIReviews
South Bay MINI review
I bought my mini there a few years back and got a great price from them on the purchase of my Countryman... no pressure, just honest dealing I continue to rave about the after sales service that South Bay continues to provie me. There is a new Mini Dealer closer to me in Santa Monica but I continue to drive 45 mins each way to SB, it is well worht the extra effort to me. I have never been disappointed with the care that has been extended to me. I need to give recognition to the service manager "Lino"... Even though my car is out warranty he is the main reason that I continue to bring my car to Southbay . He is very professional and always willing to go the extra mile to be certain that things are right for all of his customers...in fact, Lino and the service department will be the reason that when I am ready to purchase another Mini it will be because of the after sales servie etc. If you want a great price on a Mini as well as great service, South Bay in my opinion is the Only Way Best, Ben
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Midnight Black Metallic
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- K3E97644
- VIN
- WMZYT3C56K3E97644
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
AutoNation Toyota IrvineReviews
AutoNation Toyota Irvine review
Amanda was great and extremely helpful. I got all of the services needed to my vehicle and she was clear and honest the entire time.
2019 MINI Countryman review
Phoenix (my mini) is sporty when needed, eco friendly when needed Or a dynamic blend most of the time. This car is perfect. Love him!
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- Ext. color
- Black
- Int. color
- BROWN
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- Fuel type
- Electric
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Electric
- Stock #
- 70038534
- VIN
- WMW13DJ08P2T52675
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax MurrietaReviews
CarMax Murrieta review
The response time was really fast, I had received an email back within an hour. I was actually surprised how quick they had contacted me about my inquiry and I would recommend them to a friend
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- BROWN
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-36
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual 6
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 70043866
- VIN
- WMW43DL09P3R09615
Features
- Convenience
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- HomeLink
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax Sacramento SouthReviews
CarMax Sacramento South review
I had a wonderful seamless experience! Taylor was great and saved the car we wanted! I would recommend Carmax to anyone searching for a new car!
2023 MINI Convertible review
I love, love, love my new Cooper S convertible! She is paying for herself in compliments already. Literally everywhere I go, someone stops me and says "your car is so cute!" She is so fun to drive and it isn't even convertible weather yet lol. I ordered black on black and I couldn't be happier with the aesthetics and performance! I hope she and I have mini happy years together!!
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$19,490
Est. $346/mo AutoNation Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram Valencia
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- Ext. color
- Chili Red
- Int. color
- Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- K2H86727
- VIN
- WMWXU3C54K2H86727
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
AutoNation Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram ValenciaReviews
AutoNation Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram Valencia review
The dealership is very supportive. They checked my new jeeps fluids for free. They were honest and said they would not change the oil because it didn't have 5,000 miles yet, but since I was taking a trip, they were glad to top my fluids. 10yrs I've been going there. The manager, Dennis, and Hugo, service guy are awesome ?
2019 MINI Hardtop review
I thought this car would be too small, but the interior is surprisingly roomy. The feel of it is great. The whistles and bells are wonderful and it fits great in my garage! Only had it a few days, but loving it.
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- Ext. color
- Gray Metallic
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- P2T18439L
- VIN
- WMW53DH03P2T18439
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bob Smith BMWReviews
Bob Smith BMW review
I had inquired about a mini cooper that did not have pictures available. The salesperson was awesome at keeping me in the loop!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Silver
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 26-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 70066023
- VIN
- WMWZC3C58FWT02629
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax PalmdaleReviews
CarMax Palmdale review
Recently I had to get a newer car and believe me I was stressed because of the situation but when I went to CarMax which this is my second car from them it was once again amazing to work with them! I had the pleasure of working with 2 amazing sales associates. Helen Mayo who was my main sales associate and Cheyeene Toliver who helped out my wife and myself when Helen was off! They both were very kind and helpful and made the process an ease! I was thinking of other options but since they were amazing I went with them instead if your looking for a car I highly recommend you ask for either of these two women they are a great help!
2015 MINI Countryman review
Bought my 2015 last fall looks great drives great alot of fun . Faster than it looks . Not a extreme cold weather car . Handles great on snowy roads . I'm a bigger guy plenty of room . Would not want to sit behind me . I'd buy another
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- Ext. color
- Sage Green Metallic
- Int. color
- Carbon Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 24-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- P3P60850L
- VIN
- WMZ53BR03P3P60850
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Premium Sound System
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bob Smith BMWReviews
Bob Smith BMW review
Helpful, resourceful and gracious staff who definitely go the “extra mile,” to make the deal work for the client.
2023 MINI Countryman review
Bought a 2023 Mini Countryman ALL4 John Cooper Works Edition of the car, and received my order last summer. Simply put, the performance is AMAZING. Put it in Sport Mode (a minor inconvenience), and it becomes a force to be reckoned with, especially to those unaware of this car’s capabilities. It’s marketed as a Mini—SUV, and I think that’s a fair categorization. Still have plenty of room for passengers, groceries,!etc, without sacrificing much, if any, performance. My only complaints? Difficult/clumsy control mechanism to get into Sport Mode, no native Android support, and rear windows are awkwardly installed, and have been “properly aligned” with remainder of car, instead of giving the appearance of being aligned with front/rear windows. In summation, this car performs better than its competition (a 2L inline 4cylinder, lightly turbocharged/intercooled, AWD, pretty aesthetics, and lots of opportunities for upgrades, beyond 301HP, 331FT/LBS Torque, and you have a contender for “production car SLEEPER OF THE YEAR!”), like the other “hot hatches”. Everytime my wife or I drive it, we NOW take turns.(she was bitten by the Mini bug) driving it EVERYWHERE, from trips to work, to the grocery store, and vacation driving. You really have to drive a JCW in Sport Mode to appreciate what I’ve said. Anyhow, these are my impressions on this amazing little car. Worth every penny, not getting rid of or replacing it, anytime soon!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Red
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-38
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 28750746
- VIN
- WMWXP5C56K2H97151
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Backup Camera
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax Canoga ParkReviews
CarMax Canoga Park review
Good Experience. Good Service. Helpful Representatives. Able to answer all my questions. Assisted in transferring to Arizona Carmax.
2019 MINI Hardtop review
This is a fun car and a nice drive, would recommend for anyone looking to buy a newer car on the market. Looks great and drives great.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Island Blue Metallic
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-38
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-3 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- NU97130
- VIN
- WMW33DK08R2U97130
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Karplus Warehouse Inc.Reviews
Karplus Warehouse Inc. review
Richard was amazing, very transparent with the whole process. Super informative on the vehicle. Car shopping is worst, but Richard makes it easy. If you want a straightforward next time you want to buy a car ask for Richard!
2024 MINI Hardtop review
A brilliant mark of automotive excellence. An abundance of personality, only to be outdone by my 9lb chihuahua. - 135 horsepower is more than plenty on the freeway, and far too much for the city. - The design of the interior cabin feels I am already in the future, as opposed to the present. - The cabin is also very quiet. I hardly hear cars and noise around me - the sound quality from the sound system is spectacular, and the audio from phone calls is unbelievably clear. - I've never driven a car with better handling. I would say it is in a Goldielocks zone of having enough wiggle for comfort and stiffness for performance.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Blue
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 29-40
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 70029696
- VIN
- WMWXM5C50F3A57233
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax RiversideReviews
CarMax Riverside review
Although the car we wanted didnt work out, the customer service was excellent. MARCUS is a STAR! He should be in management. I have brought many mercedes in the past. Carmax is turning the tide when it comes to purchasing vehicles. The best thing to do when you buy any car is to take it to another mechanic, and then bring it back to the place to be fixed within the warranty period. The Truck I purchased from them a year ago had a few issues but they did take care of it and I've not have any problems since. Carmax has set the bar high for purchasing returning and anything to do with cars. BRAVO!
2015 MINI Hardtop review
Transports more than other 4 door cars. Drives fantastic. Smooth, yet sporty and nimble ride, with plenty of quick acceleration when needed. Very reliable, with easy maintenance.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- White
- Int. color
- BLACK
- Drivetrain
- Rear-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- Turbo Gas
- Stock #
- 70042799
- VIN
- WMWXP5C51G3B14712
Features
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
CarMax IrvineReviews
CarMax Irvine review
sale associates very helpful during whole process. very pleased with purchase and customer service. Second auto bought from carmax.
2016 MINI Hardtop review
After 23 years of driving minivans and SUVs, I was ready for a change. I love my 2016 Mini Cooper S 4 door. with the 6 speed manual transmission. Car is great to drive, gets okay mileage (25+mpg) and is surprisingly practical.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Pepper White
- Int. color
- Carbon Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 27-36
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 1.5L I-3 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control
- Stock #
- H3C63703T
- VIN
- WMWXP5C58H3C63703
Features
- Convenience
- Adaptive Cruise Control
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Brake Assist
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Northridge ToyotaReviews
Northridge Toyota review
Went the first time and the stuff very friendly, smiling & welcoming, beside showing me the sales lady the RAV4 I wanted, I wasn’t ready to buy that day, but came back a couple of days after, he got me a great deal. I will come back for my son’s car to buy.
2017 MINI Hardtop review
The Mini Cooper is the most fun, stylish, and dependable car I have ever owned. It feels safe, it is fun to drive, and gets great gas mileage.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- British Racing Green
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 28-39
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- 7-Speed Automatic with Auto-Shift
- Engine
- 2.0L I4 16V GDI DOHC Turbo
- Stock #
- T2X72853S
- VIN
- WMW23GD08T2X72853
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Navigation System
- Remote Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- Satellite Radio
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Blind Spot Monitor
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Bob Smith BMWReviews
Bob Smith BMW review
I went out of my way to go to Bob Smith Mini and BMW. These people are very nice and its just a great dealership.
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Chili Red
- Int. color
- Malt Brown
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-32
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Manual
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- M3M81440
- VIN
- WMWWJ5C06M3M81440
Features
- Convenience
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
South County LexusReviews
South County Lexus review
A couple of weeks ago we acquired a 2023 Lexus RZ 450e at South County Lexus at Mission Viejo. We are so happy with the car. Our salesman, Enzo Impagliazzo did a super job selling us on the car and helping us through the whole process of acquiring it. Enzo put no pressure on us to make a decision re: purchasing the vehicle Rather, he let the vehicle sell itself, With his real title as Guest Experience Manager, he proved his worth to South County Lexus in a big way In the process of helping us in our purchase, Enzo became more than an employee of South County Lexus He became a friend A good man indeed. Bob & Glenda Vander Zaag
2021 MINI Convertible review
This is such a fun car! It is great to drive and handles well. I have the convertible and it has been a delight to take family and friends around in the Mini. I feel like I'm in a movie as I drive a long - even when going to the grocery store!
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Quick view Vehicle Information
- Ext. color
- Chili Red
- Int. color
- Carbon Black
- Drivetrain
- Front-wheel Drive
- MPG
- 23-33
- Fuel type
- Gasoline
- Transmission
- Automatic
- Engine
- 2L I-4 gasoline direct injection, DOHC, variable valve control,
- Stock #
- D4003
- VIN
- WMW43DL03P3R15118
Features
- Convenience
- Heated Seats
- Keyless Entry
- Keyless Start
- Entertainment
- Apple CarPlay®
- Bluetooth®
- USB Port
- WiFi Hotspot
- Exterior
- Alloy Wheels
- Sunroof/Moonroof
- Safety
- Automatic Emergency Braking
- Backup Camera
- Brake Assist
- LED Headlights
- Lane Departure Warning
- Rain Sensing Wipers
- Stability Control
- Seating
- Leather Seats
Dealer
Universal MitsubishiReviews
Universal Mitsubishi review
This was our 4th Mitsubishi purchase, I love this place, I originally bought my 1st Mitsubishi in Aurora, IL and when we moved out here took the car for service in Duarte and found their service team excellent as soon found out their Sales dept and Saul were just as good, 10 years later, they are still my go to place
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