New and used Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus for sale near South El Monte, CA
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$18,080
Est. $322/mo Lexus of Cerritos
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- Deep Blue Metallic
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- Black
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- Electric
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- Automatic
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- Electric
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- KF402230
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- 5YJ3E1EA6KF402230
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- Alloy Wheels
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- Leather Seats
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Lexus of CerritosReviews
Lexus of Cerritos review
Came in for a recall which Justine arranged quickly and I was out of there in the time promised, Repair seems to have enhanced the rearview mirror operation.
2019 Tesla Model 3 review
Absolutely love my Tesla. So much so we bought a 2nd one for the family. Smooth drive and zero maintenances in two years. Frequent software updates means I got new features long after purchase. Though I do suggest avoiding FSD. That's vaporware and will not be released in the lifetime of vehicles sold today.
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- 995136
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- 5YJ3E1EA4MF995136
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- 5YJ3E1EA3MF875909
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- 5YJ3E1EA3MF875909
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Premium Autos review
Albert was great in assisting me with my new Tesla! Couldn’t have asked for better service.
2021 Tesla Model 3 review
It's the first time I've actually enjoyed driving. Before this I had a Civic, then a Sonata, and my first car way back was a Chrysler 300 (which was an absolute heap of garbage). After the 300 I was purely interested in reliable, economical cars that would get me from A to B with the basic amenities. The Model 3 was a step way above that, it's more efficient than any gas-powered or hybrid commuter car, it has a modest stylishness to it, and it has WAY more get-up-and-go than you'd expect, even with the single-motor package. The torque is instantaneous with no dead zones or gear changes. The handling is solid. There's a lot to love, including the infotainment system, built-in navigation, huge screen, etc. It was a lot to adjust to, going from a vehicle with tons of dials and buttons to just a screen and a handful of tactile controls, but I love it now. But one of the things I love most about it is that I can just open my phone and start the AC a couple minutes before I get in my car - In a city that regularly sees 110+ degrees, that is a GODSEND. I'm definitely an EV convert after buying a Model 3.
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- Pearl White Multi-Coat
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- Black and White
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- Electric 201hp 258ft. lbs.
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- 938952
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- 5YJ3E1EA2MF938952
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- Red Multi-Coat
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- Black
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- Stock #
- 875078
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- 5YJ3E1EA8MF875078
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- Stock #
- 996198
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- 5YJ3E1EA9MF996198
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2021 Tesla Model 3 review
Riding in this car will make you feel like you are a part of the future or hovering aboard a space ship. It truly rides like magic. I’m amazed at what this vehicle can do. The reliability and safety of this car is outstandingly outperforming every other car on the road. It does not require maintenance and every bit of the vehicle was built to guide humanity in the direction of 100% safe transportation. From my calculation on battery life, this vehicle will still hold a 250 mile charge after it’s been on the road for 600,000 miles. Considering sustainability of electricity and cost to charge- this car will save your pocket on energy costs and the earth from fuel emissions. The simplicity of the vehicle makes it easy to keep clean! Perfect 10/10 car.
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- 5YJ3E1EA3MF051425
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- 5YJ3E1EA3MF051425
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- LED Headlights
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Love this place , love the service, love how fast my process was to get into my M4 .best dealer I’ve ever made business, super polite , humble and very respectful, they even car washed the vehicle, man come one I was like whatttt!!! Super happy I drove out from Hollywood and I was not disappointed. Check it out for yourself!!!!!!
2021 Tesla Model 3 review
This is easily the most fun car I've ever driven; handling is great and it destroys muscle cars off the line! Very techy but fairly simple to figure everything out. I'll likely only ever buy Teslas now.
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$21,998
Est. $392/mo CarMax Victorville
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- Black
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- BLACK
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- Electric
- Stock #
- 28534518
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- 5YJ3E1EA9LF645547
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CarMax VictorvilleReviews
2020 Tesla Model 3 review
Test drive of 2023 Long Range AWD. Very smooth, quiet and fast. I'm 6-3, drivers seat best supporting ,most comfortable seat of 40 cars owned. Biggest fear is Elon Musk, in a fit of childish mischief, decide to turn all Teslas off......
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$25,998
Est. $464/mo CarMax Kearny Mesa
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- Black
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- BLACK
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- 70045407
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- 5YJ3E1EA0LF633688
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CarMax Kearny MesaReviews
CarMax Kearny Mesa review
My husband Paul and I recently purchased a '06 Saturn ION from CarMax in Kearney Mesa. We were greeted with friendly and professional service. The purchase went smoothly and we are happy with our Saturn Ion.
2020 Tesla Model 3 review
Great car to drive and handles really good nice tires and it’s the body is in good shape. Just have to learn how to work the screen.
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$22,998
Est. $410/mo CarMax Canoga Park
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- Gray
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- BLACK
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- Electric
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- Electric
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- 28863797
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- 5YJ3E1EA0MF928565
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$23,998
Est. $428/mo CarMax Canoga Park
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- White
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- BLACK
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- 70028560
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- 5YJ3E1EA3MF096414
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CarMax Canoga Park review
Good Experience. Good Service. Helpful Representatives. Able to answer all my questions. Assisted in transferring to Arizona Carmax.
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$26,998
Est. $482/mo CarMax Canoga Park
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- White
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- BLACK
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- Electric
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- Automatic
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- 28902764
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- 5YJ3E1EA0MF069381
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- 70076119
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- 5YJ3E1EA6MF081745
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CarMax Irvine review
Salesman Richard helpful and patience and knoledgeable through process
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- 70062070
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- 5YJ3E1EA4MF095918
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CarMax PalmdaleReviews
CarMax Palmdale review
Recently I had to get a newer car and believe me I was stressed because of the situation but when I went to CarMax which this is my second car from them it was once again amazing to work with them! I had the pleasure of working with 2 amazing sales associates. Helen Mayo who was my main sales associate and Cheyeene Toliver who helped out my wife and myself when Helen was off! They both were very kind and helpful and made the process an ease! I was thinking of other options but since they were amazing I went with them instead if your looking for a car I highly recommend you ask for either of these two women they are a great help!
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- 28286769
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- 5YJ3E1EA5MF068291
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CarMax Palmdale review
Very nice. Everybody there were very nice and professional . Great service, really made you feel comfortable with no pressure
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- 28864227
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- 5YJ3E1EA7MF026916
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CarMax IrvineReviews
CarMax Irvine review
sale associates very helpful during whole process. very pleased with purchase and customer service. Second auto bought from carmax.
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- Deep Blue Metallic
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- Black
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- 940177
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- 5YJ3E1EA7MF940177
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OC Chief AutoReviews
2021 Tesla Model 3 review
If you want a maintenance-free vehicle, this is the closest thing you can find on the market. We’ve been driving the wheels off our Model 3 LR for almost two years. No gas stations, no oil changes, no fluid changes (unless you count windshield wiper fluid,) tires still have plenty of tread, brakes have barely ever been used (regenerative brakes are amazing,) the temperature in the car is always perfect when you get in, and no turning the car off, simply get out and walk away, the car does the rest. The only service we have done to this car has been tire rotation, and they come to your house to do it if you want! Charging at home means you never, ever have to worry about the state of your “tank” unless you’re on a trip over 350 miles. And then it’s a quick navigation to a supercharger for a few minutes; the car automatically does the math for you and determines the best places to stop along your route. Admittedly, the occasional supercharge on a long trip is the only downside and could be a dealbreaker for some. But we plan accordingly. Plug up the car, walk the dogs or grab a bite to eat. By the time you’re done, the car is ready to go! The loudest voices in the room are always the people that had the rare bad experience, that’s inescapable. Just know that they are the minority. This car has plenty of get up and go whenever you need it and rides smooth. I used to drive muscle cars, so not hearing all that engine noise took a little bit to get used to. But now I don’t miss it at all. In fact, now I’m mildly annoyed when I’m the passenger in a loud car. That’s probably also a sign that I’m getting older. If you’re on the fence about an EV, go take one for a test drive. Tesla doesn’t pressure you, they don’t even ride along with you. It’s just you and the car, so you can see for yourself. That’s all it took for us to bite. I can almost guarantee you’ll want one after you’ve driven around in one for fifteen minutes.
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$22,995
Est. $410/mo Pacific Auto Center - Fontana
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- Gray
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- Black
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- 61694
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- 5YJ3E1EA5LF629863
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Pacific Auto Center - Fontana review
Keshan and Hamsa were Great through the whole process fast and quick will definitely buy again
2020 Tesla Model 3 review
2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range RWD I purchased this car with a little less than 60k miles one and a half years ago for 21k. It now as 97k miles and the only maintenance I’ve done have been new tires and windshield washer fluid. Someone made a left turn in front of me and the car was already braking as I was lifting my foot off the accelerator. Quite literally saved my life. The suspension is tuned to be sporty, so it’s not a plush ride by any means, but it’s hard to beat at its price point in the used market.
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- Pearl White Multi-Coat
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- Black
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- Electric
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- 027427
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- 5YJ3E1EA8MF027427
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2021 Tesla Model 3 review
This car has been the best I’ve owned so far. Even if you aren’t looking at a Tesla, EVs in general are so much fun! I’ve had little maintenance in the three years I’ve had this car so far (tire rotations, wiper blades). Every major software update brings either new features or improvements.
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- Solid Black
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- White/Black
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- 431465
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- 5YJ3E1EA2KF431465
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2019 Tesla Model 3 review
I’ve had my M3P for 5 days and I freaking love it! Controls take some time to get used to where everything is. I’ve had maybe 30 cars and this is my favorite by far. I highly recommend if you’re in the fence, just buy one. You only live once!
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- Ext. color
- Pearl White Multi-Coat
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- Black
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- Electric
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- Automatic
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- Electric
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- 504817
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- 5YJ3E1EA9LF504817
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- Alloy Wheels
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OC Chief AutoReviews
2020 Tesla Model 3 review
I purchased my 2020 Model 3 with 55k miles on it in 2026. The battery test showed that the batteries were in good health with over 80% of their original capacity still available. Both the interior and exterior had held up well. At the price for the used car, it is an incredible value. I'll save over half of the car payment on gas by charging at home. I love the minimalist look of the interior. At first, I thought the touch screen would be hard to use while driving, but with the buttons on the steering wheel and the temperature controls always present, it's very simple to operate while driving. The driver profiles that save your settings per driver are what makes the car so easy to love for me. My wife is a foot shorter than me. Having the mirrors, seat and steering wheel adjusted when I sit down are great. Also the bluetooth preference as well as all of the other car settings are saved to each of our profile, radio stations, driving dynamics, etc. The car is very sporty, especially for the money. It is much more sporty and fun to drive than anything else I have ever owned, including a Mini Cooper convertible. It will not best many cars you could compare it to, but it is also so much cheaper to purchase, and then maintain after the purchase that it wins in my book.
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